Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

[Friendly Primarina]

Eagleniggers ruin everything.

 

[Coccxys]

Of course we need to push Monaco, Spa, monza etc off the calendar how else would we fit the Seattle, NYC, Washington, Portland, LA, San Francisco, Chicago and whatever other places they can think up street/car park races into the calendar?

Of course they want Monaco out, they can't modify the track to make 7 DRS zones with 2 medium level braking events. History of the sport be dammed we need to have constant action and dopamine hits for the DTS audience.

 

[LiveFromNS]

Of course we need to push Monaco, Spa, monza etc off the calendar how else would we fit the Seattle, NYC, Washington, Portland, LA, San Francisco, Chicago and whatever other places they can think up street/car park races into the calendar?

Monaco just due to the nature of the "racing" I can live without, but definitely want to see Monza and Spa every year! 3 in USA is more than enough. I want to see them race on the Nordschleife personally, but that will never happen due to the 7km length regulation.

They need a good number of historic and "real" tracks for sure. It cant become a largest cities in the world type calendar. I think one or two countries at least that bought their place on the calendar should be removed, looking at you dishtowelheads. So many great circuits used to exist and they should consider bringing some back.

But again, money dominates all since everyone involved in F1 are so fucking poor, they got to grab as much money as they can. I think I also read a blurb somewhere concerning the US TV rights. IIRC, I think it was like 7 mil currently, but now they want 51 mil? I am not positive on those numbers, but definitely read a blurb about the TV broadcasting in US a week or two ago.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Basically, whatever race replaces Spa or Monaco in the first season will be the race that I will boycot in every following season.

Monaco might not be a thrilling "DRS overtakes by the minute" racetrack, but I'd rather watch cars go around that iconic and historic racetrack, than watching them go around a Tilke-track with a dozen DRS zones and the commentators being contractually obligated to kiss ass and go "WHOA LOOK AT THAT CASINO IN THE BACKGROUND!"

 

[Coccxys]

than watching them go around a Tilke-track with a dozen DRS zones and the commentators being contractually obligated to kiss ass and go "WHOA LOOK AT THAT CASINO IN THE BACKGROUND!"

Don't forget the races where stoning some rape victims to death for adultery is the warm up act. Hill tells us we're not allowed to judge them by western standards after all.

 

[The Grognard]

IMO Monaco should be retained because it provides a very different challenge compared to every other event on the calendar. It's a knife-fight in a phone booth, with a cutt-throat qualifying and requiring perfect strategic plays from everyone.

 

[LiveFromNS]

The question I have with Monaco is have the cars outgrown the place? Especially now that they are even larger? I agree that it does pose a challenge unlike any other track, but it just gets so processional that strategy is what wins the race most of the time it seems like. If they could somehow make the track wider then great, but with current cars and the layout it doesn't have the same allure to me as it did when I was younger.

But yeah, I'd keep it over some other tracks, but I would not be crushed if it wasn't on the calendar. Its just too bad the layout wasn't able to be altered to accommodate the changes in the cars, their speed etc.

It will be interesting when the boats come this year and how that all works out. An oddball race with a new winner would be nice for sure, but whoever is on pole, barring mistakes or misfortune, should have no problem winning.

 

[Coccxys]

strategy is what wins the race most of the time it seems like.

Good, we need to keep at least 1 race where that is the case. The easier to follow cars and DRS manufactured overtakes are specifically designed to make all the action on track because the DTS smoothbrains can't comprehend strategy in F1.

Monaco places certain design considerations on the teams, such as having to have a very high downforce set up and having to have enough steering lock to get around the hairpin. Removing those takes away part of the challenge of making a car for all conditions.

The more of these very similar DRS followed by slow corner follower by a couple of chicanes and another straight all just leads to designing a very narrowly tailored car rather than the engineering challenge of a wide array of tracks.

 

[LiveFromNS]

Yes, true enough on Monaco I suppose. Maybe I just have seen too many parades that I am jaded.

Tilke tracks and DRS both suck for the most part and I do not like the easy overtaking stuff at all. If they are going to keep DRS, deactivate it as soon as the car with it gets along side the other or something. I also dislike how in Aus you get DRS to pass the car, then next zone, you are now ahead and have DRS again. That's kind of dumb. Disable the next zone in situations like that.

Hopefully though, with this new era of cars that really are babies, they will grow and improve and DRS will be a forgotten relic like grooved tires.

BTW, speaking of gimmicks, Imola is the first sprint weekend, so even more points on offer. If Charlie sweeps those 2 races, the lead he will have will be over 50. After 4 races. We all no luck and misfortune is a regular occurrence in F1, I wonder how long his luck will hold out before he gets a DNF. Even if he doesn't top 3 he will still have about a race win lead.

 

[Coccxys]

I like Monaco for it being the ultimate test of a driver. Drivers have dragged uncompetitive cars to Monaco pole and wins while others have utterly failed to get decent results with extremely dominant cars.

That's how Ricciardo beat Hamilton with an unwell Red Bull, how Senna won so many poles and races there even when the car wasn't all that, how LeClerc stuck it on Pole in a meh Ferrari (even if he wrecked it), how it's the track Hamilton has the least wins at through the hybrid era (only 3 career wins).

Pulling out a pole lap is millimetre accuracy and even if you drive away at the front a safetycar or red flag bunching up the pack again is almost certain and you have to make zero mistakes to bring it home.

As said higher up a wet Monaco is even more so a special event. I still remember watching Monaco '96 with only 3 finishers and the only win for Panis.

 

[LiveFromNS]

Yep, I watched that race too and was thrilled by it all. One of the greatest races ever. I remember buying the Minichamps 1/43 diecast commemorating it. Came with him holding the flag which was cool.

If every Monaco race was like those great wins like Ric's, then I'd definitely not want to lose it. But I do get your rational on how it is a true test of the driver's skills. Prob why Ham hasn't won there often! LOL

I was sad that Jacques never won it. Maybe that's why I am all sour about Monaco! HAHA

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Many great comments on Monaco, to me, it's a very special race cause it's such a traditional place. It seems like it breathes the old-times classy air of F1's yesteryears.

And it is one of the few tracks where an overcut is a very valid strategy choice.

 

[Full Race Replay]

I like monaco too, but it is probably too small nowadays because the cars are too god damn big. Since refueling was banned in 2010 which made the cars longer, they have been getting heavier, longer, and wider. And in 2022 they have the bright idea of fixing all the problems of too large cars that are reliant on downforce (so they can't follow each other) by making the cars even larger than they were before.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

I like monaco too, but it is probably too small nowadays because the cars are too god damn big. Since refueling was banned in 2010 which made the cars longer, they have been getting heavier, longer, and wider. And in 2022 they have the bright idea of fixing all the problems of too large cars that are reliant on downforce (so they can't follow each other) by making the cars even larger than they were before.

I imagine the larger cars will miraculously not be a problem at Jeddah or whatever the incredibly dangerous goatfucker track is.

 

[SargonF00t]

I find the enormous difficulty of overtaking at Monaco to be a major turn off as a viewer.

One thing they could do to improve the viewing spectacle to me would be to mandate two stops just for the Monaco race, so at least then a strategy about undercuts could come into play, more so than with one stop races.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I find the enormous difficulty of overtaking at Monaco to be a major turn off as a viewer.

One thing they could do to improve the viewing spectacle to me would be to mandate two stops just for the Monaco race, so at least then a strategy about undercuts could come into play, more so than with one stop races.

It's well intentioned, but I'd hate to see track-specific rules like that. It would open a whole can of worms for many other tracks and I'd like to see teams being allowed to be more flexible (for instance, I'd completely ditch the "one mandatory tyre change" thing) than seeing them more restricted.

Monaco used to be a unique race, since it was the only urban racetrack this narrow. Now we have several similar ones and Baku does anything Monaco does, but also allows some high speed overtaking. Monaco seriously isn't a race that I look forward to for great action, but Monaco is the glitz and glamour that F1 once stood for.
In a similar fashion, Spa is one of those "used to be a regular road turned neckbreaking racetrack" pieces of F1 history on the other end of the spectrum.
Many classic F1 tracks that breath the soul of F1: Monaco, Nürburgring, Hockenheim, Monza, you name it.

I hate that we have a bunch of soulless sportswashing racetracks, while some classic tracks get abondoned. Kyalami, Watkins Glen, Zandvoort, names that I associate with F1 before my time as a watcher have this alure of really classic F1, so seeing those making a comeback is always welcome.
If Monaco was replaced with Watkins Glen or some other old-timey racetrack, I might actually not be too sad about it, but when it gets replaced with a glorified kermis Gokart racetrack on a Casino parking lot designed by Tilke, that's where I draw the line.

 

[New Fag]

There's a F1 management game coming out this year made by Frontier Developments.

Steam page / archive

First look video

As someone who has put thousands of hours into spreedsheet simulator games over the years I'll more than likely pick it up.

But apart from the F1 license, real tracks, better AI and better graphics I don't see why you'd pick it up over Motorsport Manager. Motorsport Manager has F3 to F1, endurance and GT disciplines, the ability to create your own team, the ability to change the tracks raced on and the ability to make rule changes which includes tyre supplier, refueling, spec parts and how big a pit crew you are allowed. I just don't see F1 Manager having that.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

There's a F1 management game coming out this year made by Frontier Developments.

Steam page / archive

First look video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JQKavo4sBOA
As someone who has put thousands of hours into spreedsheet simulator games over the years I'll more than likely pick it up.

But apart from the F1 license, real tracks, better AI and better graphics I don't see why you'd pick it up over Motorsport Manager. Motorsport Manager has F3 to F1, endurance and GT disciplines, the ability to create your own team, the ability to change the tracks raced on and the ability to make rule changes which includes tyre supplier, refueling, spec parts and how big a pit crew you are allowed. I just don't see F1 Manager having that.

100 GB of the game will be devoted to accommodating the ever-evolving hairstyles and bewildering, gender-fluid catwalk fashion of Lewis Hamilton.

On a more pressing note, I think that it is terribly important for the sport to find ways of continuing to race at venues like Monaco. I have grown up watching league football evolve into a vulgar corporate behemoth; one that pays occasional lip service to origins from which it is completely and utterly estranged.

Despite the sums of money involved, F1 has done a fairly decent job of balancing the interests of business and spectacle with the legacy of the sport. They need to remain in touch with a small measure of their past, and to look back to it, and use it as a guiding principle. There, in the past, is where the founding spark of F1 resides. If it goes out, then something that is intangible, but also integral to the sport, goes with it.

Of course there were probably Roman citizens who said the same thing about chariot racing.

 

[LiveFromNS]

So Senna is trending on my Twitter, with the anniversary coming in couple of weeks. I am sure there will be a lot of discussion during next weekend's race about Senna. Let's hope they don't forget Ratzenberger,

Anyway, came across this clip in the tweets, so thought it was worth adding to the thread. I remember watching that race and was just blown away with how much talent and balls he showed compared to everyone else on that opening lap.

Also, came across the attached PDF on the magazine archive site. 1961 issue of Motorsport. The site has a few others but its pain to download shit without a Novafile premium account so you can only get one every couple of hours. Some of you may enjoy these blasts from the past. I was just quickly skimming through it and saw the grid for Belgium 1961. Phil Hill on pole with a 3m59 lap! Looks like it is very detailed and lots of statistics on the races.

Anyway I thought I'd upload here in event anyone else may be interest in these old mags. Here is a link to the other issues on the site using the search term "Motor Sport Retros":

https://www.pdfmagaz.in/search/MOTOR+SPORT+RETROS

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Despite the sums of money involved, F1 has done a fairly decent job of balancing the interests of business and spectacle with the legacy of the sport. They need to remain in touch with a small measure of their past, and to look back to it, and use it as a guiding principle. There, in the past, is where the founding spark of F1 resides. If it goes out, then something that is intangible, but also integral to the sport, goes with it.

FIA could encourage using classic liveries for Monaco specifically. Those teams that don't have a classic livery to fall back on could at least go for a retro design.
Man, I'd love to see that.