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Also, if he was white, we'd all still say/feel the same about him even without the Floyd/BLM aspect which is only a small part of Lewis anyway.
For anyone who says lewis haters are racists, I call bullshit, because in the Vettel glory days in 2011/2013, he was hated far more than lewis ever was, because he and the red bull were even more dominant (in 2011 and 2013). Vettel would get boo'd loudly at races that he won. And yes, people hated Michael Schumacher back then too. Lewis/merc domination is a big part of why he's hated and why Max is loved by lots of fans nowadays (but already i can see more and more people hating max, especially after he won the drivers last year). Us guys who nitpick how lewis got an easy ride for his whole career is a small part of people who dislike lewis just because they like a good underdog story.
 
Look, Schumi won his Benetton titles in a car that was worse than what his rivals were driving. Then he went to the dumpster fire that was mid nineties Ferrari and had a full part in rebuilding that operation into the commanding team of F1 for a number of years. He didn’t have to do that. He could have done a Lewis and moved from top team to top team. But he won his Ferrari titles the hard way, and he gets respect from the F1 fans from that, always. Lewis didn’t do that. And he probably won’t, by this point in his career. I was never a massive Alonso fan but the good humour with which he suffered that absolute dog of a McLaren endeared him to me. Mika Hakkinen nearly bloody died racing so when he got his first title, he had that goodwill from the whole F1 community. Lewis I feel has the respect but not the affection of much of the F1 community.

I always feel F1 is a less parochial sport fanwise than many others. I don’t give a toss that Lewis is British; he’s not my guy and although I don’t begrudge anyone of his talent his success, I don’t get excited by it. I was much happier to see Jenson win his title, because I’ve always liked him. You just take a liking to some drivers more than others. I grew up a Senna fan in a house of Prost fans. It happens. I don’t think he’s a bad dude or anything. He’s just not my dude.

I would have liked to vibe with Lewis, but… I just don’t. Honestly, I’m a bigger fan of his current teammate. And honestly, people completely shat all over Vettel when he was the dominant driver. There was an awful lot of sneering that the Red Bull was so much better than its rivals that any competent number one driver could have driven it to a title. I don’t subscribe to that at all, but it was a very significant advantage. The same one that Lewis has often enjoyed at Mercedes.

I honestly don’t think the global F1 following actually care that he’s black. It is a very global sport in its viewership.
 
Look, Schumi won his Benetton titles in a car that was worse than what his rivals were driving. Then he went to the dumpster fire that was mid nineties Ferrari and had a full part in rebuilding that operation into the commanding team of F1 for a number of years.
At the moment, the driver that most closely resembles Schumi isn't Mick; it's George. He managed some stellar results in those Williams shitboxes, and he's making the best he can out of Mercedes' botched attempt at a 2022 F1 car. I've already sperged about this ITT.
I was never a massive Alonso fan but the good humour with which he suffered that absolute dog of a McLaren endeared him to me.
I suspect that's why Daniel Ricciardo seems to be everybody's second favourite driver. He's driven his fair share of subpar cars, yet he just gets on with the job with a smile on his face. Whilst he's an excellent driver, he'll never win the WDC because he's just too nice. Kimi is another one who was everybody's second favourite driver; he's an honest racer and has no filter and I miss him already.
Mika Hakkinen nearly bloody died racing so when he got his first title, he had that goodwill from the whole F1 community.
Mika's personality also helps. He's as lovable as Kimi.
Lewis I feel has the respect but not the affection of much of the F1 community.
He's starting to push his luck on the first point, though. Too many people conflate "most successful" with "greatest", without considering that the reason Hambone is so successful on paper is because he's almost always had the best car on the grid and there are more rounds in a season than there were 10-15 years ago. He'd be in the lower half of my Top 10 Greatest British F1 Drivers of All Time list, but nowhere near my Top 10 Overall Greatest F1 Drivers of All Time.

Although credit where it's due... I didn't think anyone would ever beat Nigel Mansell as the biggest sook in F1 history, but Hambone did it.
I honestly don’t think the global F1 following actually care that he’s black. It is a very global sport in its viewership.
Twitter cares, as does Reddit. In current year that's all that matters. I'm only half joking.
 
The hype about Lewlew before he even got into F1 just put me right off. The media were going crazy about him and I had multiple mates who were of the "Why would you waste a couple of hours watching cars go round in circles" type suddenly become all about Hamilton.

F1 love those types he brought in but they have made many changes for the worse in the sport chasing that kind.

When Vettel was winning everything the media used to give him shit for not being on Twitter, not having his girlfriend/wife and kids being there in the garage for the cameras. I liked that about him, but the media kept running out the shir about how Hamilton is a much better ambassador for the sport. As if dragging an entourage of thots to races and posting himself wearing all sorts of nonsense on the social medias is some great win for F1.
 
Kinda off topic.

I've been looking at getting some F1 merch and the 'obviously it's a knock off' stuff looks better to me than the official and it's cheaper.

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Fake and 40 quid

And there's 'classic' stuff about too.
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Yeah, that is the whole thing with Lewis. I think the fact he had the potential of (and nearly) winning the title his first year kind of set him on his path of being a pompous goofball and a poseur. I mean what other young driver(s) in the first year of F1 had a chance to the win title that went down to the final race of the year? Jacques Villeneuve (LOL), which way he also turned out makes you wonder...but Jacques was an IndyCar and 500 champion when he started F1 in 1996. Plus he came from privilege unlike Lewis. Anyone able to think of another rookie coming in that was in with a chance to win the title? There may be the odd one in 60s or 70s but I cant run the history all through my head to determine if there was at the moment because stoned.

So, did he attain glory or stardom too soon? In his first couple of years, he kind of looked like a fresh-faced, mild mannered and mentally sound boy. I just made this for illustrative purposes:
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HAHA, it reminds me of one of the lines in Geno's opening to Chris vids, "What made him this way?"

Also, if he was white, we'd all still say/feel the same about him even without the Floyd/BLM aspect which is only a small part of Lewis anyway.

I know everyone goes their route in life, but he just seems to have taken a weird one. Like in 5-10 years, will the young gen drivers who will be WDCs start acting weird and doing goofy shit? I suppose they could, but somehow doubt they will be as large as a clown as Lewis has become.

One other thing I'd love to hear from the fellow countrymen of Sir Lew. I know there are a few regulars from UK posting here. When Lewis arrived on scene and for his first few years, how did you feel about him? Where you like holy shit, we got a new Brit multiple champion who is going to make Her Majesty proud? I mean Button was getting there, but Lewis got a title before him so I presume Lewis was the big shit in 2007 and 2008 when it came to UK drivers and at that point he must have been seen as the guy who was going to bring glory home to you many times. I mean before Lewis won, you had Hill in 96, Mansell 92 and then who? Stewart and Hunt in the 70s would have been the last one before Mansell right?

Anyway, would be interested in how some of you viewed Hamilton in his early career, before he became a retard.
EDIT-HAHAHA in the freak picture, he carries a man-purse like the Gunt fellow!
Your pic reminded me of his Top Gear interview just after his first year in F1:
He came across a lot better back then than he does today. He also looked like a normal person and not a rapper who stumbled into a fashion show.
 
Yeah, that is the whole thing with Lewis. I think the fact he had the potential of (and nearly) winning the title his first year kind of set him on his path of being a pompous goofball and a poseur. I mean what other young driver(s) in the first year of F1 had a chance to the win title that went down to the final race of the year? Jacques Villeneuve (LOL), which way he also turned out makes you wonder...but Jacques was an IndyCar and 500 champion when he started F1 in 1996. Plus he came from privilege unlike Lewis. Anyone able to think of another rookie coming in that was in with a chance to win the title? There may be the odd one in 60s or 70s but I cant run the history all through my head to determine if there was at the moment because stoned.

So, did he attain glory or stardom too soon? In his first couple of years, he kind of looked like a fresh-faced, mild mannered and mentally sound boy. I just made this for illustrative purposes:
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Anyway, would be interested in how some of you viewed Hamilton in his early career, before he became a retard.
I still maintain that, initially, Lulu was good for the sport. On paper he has more than fulfilled his potential. Regarded under a hard, bright light, many of these achievements are visibly buttressed by the unsung efforts of others. He is neither a natural leader, nor is he a team builder but rather someone who you build around. In hindsight his unparalleled, privileged ascent through the feeder series, leading to F1, shouldered him with a broad streak of entitlement that he wears to this day like a fraying beauty pageant sash. When he began to nurture his vanity at the expense of his talent he became insufferable. I reached a point where it dawned on me that I didn't like him and that I hadn't liked him for sometime. He seems profoundly unexcited by, and disengaged from, a sport where he has succeeded through a combination of raw talent, the herculean labour of others, a sprinkling of good luck, and a measure of bullying. He now expects it to bend to his will.

At the dawn of his F1 career, before he mistook Zoolander for a documentary on high fashion, he had people around him who weren't hangers-on or celebrity peers - his dad, and Ron Dennis who kept him grounded. Perhaps Lauda also filled those shoes. Toto will bark at his drivers if they tangle with one-another, or drag the Mercedes too far into the muck, but otherwise he is an enabler for his pet World Champion. In terms of personality, both men bring out the worst in each other.

I can understand why Lulu would want to get out from under these shadows and walk his own path, but he seems lost. There is an emptiness running through him. He doesn't appear to have any close friends. That photo of Räikkönen literally walking away from the sport in the company of his family, at the conclusion of the 2021 season, offers the glimpse of a life that the seven-times World Champion seems to lack the emotional intelligence to create for himself. He harbours a mosaic of interchangeable brands in the empty space where his soul should be. It is painful when you compare the man he was, when he entered the sport, with the man he has become.
 
I suspect that's why Daniel Ricciardo seems to be everybody's second favourite driver. He's driven his fair share of subpar cars, yet he just gets on with the job with a smile on his face. Whilst he's an excellent driver, he'll never win the WDC because he's just too nice. Kimi is another one who was everybody's second favourite driver; he's an honest racer and has no filter and I miss him already.
Yeah Ricciardo is one of the most popular drivers in the current F1. He is likeable and comes of as genuine. and for his behaviour on the wheel I think this alone says everything


And let's be honest here Hamilton is just so important because he is a BLACK man. Just look from how many countries F1 drivers come / came from. We even have a South African world champion (Jody Scheckter) but he had the wrong skin colour.
 
And let's be honest here Hamilton is just so important because he is a BLACK man. Just look from how many countries F1 drivers come / came from. We even have a South African world champion (Jody Scheckter) but he had the wrong skin colour.
To be fair, it was back when being a white south african was considered a remarkably bad thing by the media. If anything, the main reason he didn't face more shit was because he was a heeb.
 
Your pic reminded me of his Top Gear interview just after his first year in F1:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RpUQY-zoFnEHe came across a lot better back then than he does today. He also looked like a normal person and not a rapper who stumbled into a fashion show.
Hambone was actually somewhat likeable back then. I've already posted TG's Ayrton Senna tribute film where he drove the McLaren MP44 around Silverstone.

In that same film, Jezza referred to Hambone as "Senna's number one fan", whereas I'm struggling to think of two WDC winners that are so different from one another both on the track and as people. Senna worked very closely with his engineers to get the car just right, yet he rarely (if ever?) blamed the car or his engineers if something went wrong. Off-track, when he wasn't pouring millions of dollars and thousands of hours into helping Brazil's underprivileged, Senna would just chill and stay out of the limelight as much as he could.

Ofc Hambone could surprise us all and we may eventually learn that he's a serial philanthropist with a record rivalling Senna's, but he managed to keep it on the down low. But when has Hambone ever kept anything on the down low?

I suspect I wouldn't dislike Hambone as much as I do if he was a twat from the get go. I'm just disappointed how he turned out thanks to the last 15 years of having so much smoke up his ass that his fanboys are at risk of developing lung cancer as a result.
 
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Ofc Hambone could surprise us all and we may eventually learn that he's a serial philanthropist with a record rivalling Senna's, but he managed to keep it on the down low. But when has Hambone ever kept anything on the down low?
If it ever turned out that Hamilton gave money to charities in secrecy, I'd for certain respect him a lot more.
But I doubt that he's the kind of person that would do that in secret, he'd be very open about it ... and it'd be some mess of a political bullshit cause, that feeds into his self-imposed imaginary identity nonsense.
 
The FIA has responded to driver whinging about the safety car speed.

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As if it isn't obvious that the priority of the safety car isn't setting fastest lap times or keeping the cars behind happy.
 
Hambone was actually somewhat likeable back then. I've already posted TG's Ayrton Senna tribute film where he drove the McLaren MP44 around Silverstone.

In that same film, Jezza referred to Hambone as "Senna's number one fan", whereas I'm struggling to think of two WDC winners that are so different from one another both on the track and as people. Senna worked very closely with his engineers to get the car just right, yet he rarely (if ever?) blamed the car or his engineers if something went wrong. Off-track, when he wasn't pouring millions of dollars and thousands of hours into helping Brazil's underprivileged, Senna would just chill and stay out of the limelight as much as he could.

Ofc Hambone could surprise us all and we may eventually learn that he's a serial philanthropist with a record rivalling Senna's, but he managed to keep it on the down low. But when has Hambone ever kept anything on the down low?

I suspect I wouldn't dislike Hambone as much as I do if he was a twat from the get go. I'm just disappointed how he turned out thanks to the last 15 years of having so much smoke up his ass that his fanboys are at risk of developing lung cancer as a result.
To quote Big Smoke, he got caught up in the money and the power. He seemed like a decent guy who actually came from a working-class background, but the fame he got so quickly in Britbongland made him think he could do no wrong. He bears the ultimate responsibility for being an ass, but honestly, a lot of it was a result of media manufacture.
 
To quote Big Smoke, he got caught up in the money and the power. He seemed like a decent guy who actually came from a working-class background, but the fame he got so quickly in Britbongland made him think he could do no wrong. He bears the ultimate responsibility for being an ass, but honestly, a lot of it was a result of media manufacture.
If we are being honest here the last "from rags to riches" driver was Kimi Räikkönen. Hamilton is a product from the Mclaren drivers program. The same goes for the majority of current F1 drivers: they either came from a sponsored drivers program or had the money to advance into F1. Heck even Schumacher had to pay for his first ever race at Jordan in 1991. One who has made it on merits alone is very rare these days.
 
Mercedes has announced they'll introduce a few changes to their car come next race, to optimize it.

The ride height will be further increased to reduce porpoising and the sidepods will be cut down even more.
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The rumblings are getting louder that Monaco isn't a lock to always have a race. I get the historical nature of the event, but time to move on is my personal view. Only when it is raining for the most part are the races worthwhile, but that can be said for any race really. There is also heavy talk about South Africa returning.

It really is getting crazy how many tracks/countries can hold an F1 race. Like they could easily have a 30 race season no problem starting next year if they wanted to. I wonder how far they will ultimately go? I can't see more than 25 per year, but as we know if there is money to be made, they will find a way to do it.

MONACO’S PLACE ON THE F1 CALENDAR IS NO LONGER UNTOUCHABLE​

14 hours ago By Scott Mitchell

Whether Monaco suffers a “bit of a shocker” by falling off the Formula 1 calendar or concludes a new deal on revised terms, the famous race is no longer untouchable.
The Monaco Grand Prix has no contract beyond 2022 and is believed to be at risk of falling into the pool of European events that get rotated from 2023 onwards.

This week Michel Boeri, the president of the Automobile Club de Monaco, has addressed what he describes as “totally false” reports the race will no longer take place.
In comments reported by the Monaco Gazzette, Boeri rejected speculation there will be difficulties in hosting the race beyond 2022 and that Liberty Media is asking for too much money.

He acknowledged there is no firm contract in place yet but said this was a matter of cementing a final deal for either three or five years.

There is room for both Boeri’s comments and the indication that F1 no longer believes Monaco is a must-have to be true.

Even a biennial arrangement, for example, would still mean the Monaco GP takes place. It would still mean a medium-term contract is possible.

And if Boeri’s position is that the Monaco GP will be held every year for the next five years, the race’s status will still be reduced from what it once was. The terms of a new contract are likely to be biased more towards F1’s demands than Monaco’s.

There does appear to be a change in attitude towards Monaco and a degree of frustration that has not been evident before, whether it’s over the hosting fee (lower than any other race), the unique state-run broadcast arrangement, or the fact the circuit layout still remains unchanged despite repeated calls to improve the show.

Any emerging apathy towards Monaco will also be assisted by an opinion that the likes of Las Vegas and Miami will supersede it in terms of value as the big-money, glamorous events that all the celebrities and big corporate partners want to be at.

Monaco’s heritage and commercial value meant it tended to be able to dictate terms in a way other races could not. Now it seems to be increasingly vulnerable – probably not to the same degree as France or even Belgium, another race of immense historical importance, but more so than previously.

If F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali truly believes the championship is bigger than a single race, he will call that race’s bluff. Even if that race is Monaco. Perhaps F1 genuinely does not mind if Monaco is not a permanent grand prix, or perhaps it’s simply happy to take the risk to get a new contract on better terms.

The idea Monaco may not have a race would have been outrageous in past years, and still will be to many like AlphaTauri driver Pierre Gasly.

“It will be a bit of a shocker, I must admit if it gets taken out of the calendar,” Gasly said when asked by The Race about Monaco’s potential vulnerability.

“It’s probably the most iconic race in the world. Talking to non-F1 fans, everybody has heard about Monaco for various reasons, whether it’s racing, whether it’s partying, or whether it’s all the action that happens around the grand prix.

“It’s a very iconic weekend and I really hope we get to experience it as drivers – because it’s probably the toughest track all season, most challenging and I must say, my favourite – but also for the fans.”

But as F1 seeks to balance an expansion amid increasing global popularity with the protection of the championship’s roots, it could not be clearer that prestige and tradition alone will not keep a race around indefinitely.

It would be a surprise if Monaco and Belgium are not on the 2023 calendar, even with the new race in Las Vegas and Qatar beginning its 10-year deal.

France looks nailed-on to drop off and Russia’s contract has been cancelled in the wake of its war on Ukraine, plus the Chinese Grand Prix is a question mark because of ongoing challenges with COVID-19.

That creates enough space for a 23-race schedule. After that, with China guaranteed to return eventually and another new race in South Africa being lined up, rotation is inevitable.

By then, unless something goes badly wrong for the promoter, the French GP race should still be in the mix. Belgium or Monaco would be a logical rotation partner when the time comes, so the chance of a season without one of those races seems most likely from 2024 onwards.

“Obviously I have a very special attachment to these races, France is a home race, Monaco feels like a home race, Spa is the closest race from my hometown, so I usually have a lot of support there,” says Gasly.

“I think they’re very iconic tracks, especially Spa and Monaco are my two favourite tracks, they’re clearly part of the history and DNA of F1.
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“They deserve and should be on the calendar every year.
“Obviously, we know F1 nowadays, there are a lot of things involved in how to plan the whole season so we’ll see what happens.
“Personally, I really hope we can keep them over the next few years.”
It looks increasingly likely that a rotation is the only way to guarantee that.
That means a future in which some of F1’s classic races may not be on the calendar every season – unthinkable as that may once have been, and still will be to some.
 
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