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LetterlandMafia said:
One race there is enough.
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Especially because none of the new american tracks are anything special or even already-existing tracks. Miami road course built in the miami dolphons stadium, whatever is going on in las vegas...no Road America, no Indy GP course. Fortunately us burgerland kiwis got lucky with COTA which is a pretty good modern race circuit. And don't forget there are two other races on the continent, the Canadian GP and Mexican GP.

Anyway, I'm interested to see if Liberty media and/or f1 will crash and burn from this new breakneck pace push for expansion in the next 5 years or so (will probably get carried by middle eastern money though).
 
They have COTA and Miami. They are now talking about Vegas, there was talk of some sort of CA race and the idea of a NYC race keeps popping up then dying again. Soon enough they will have us on 25% or more of the season taking place in the states. As per usual murican company bought something and decided the only thing that matters is muricans.

There is also talk of a second Chinese race now they have China race man.
 
I would probably prefer more american races as compared to the 25% middle eastern tracks we have now, we would still get the same amount of whining from redditors about muh america bad that we get whenever the USGP rolls around.
 
Oh they won't cut back on the middle east hell holes. How else will FOM get their sex slaves, tax haven money etc? It will be actual, real race tracks we'll lose can't see Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Britain being all that attractive when they could be sat in yank land or over in the middle east living it up with Sheiks.
 
A few tidbits I read over last couple days, mainly from The Race or RaceFans and the odd thing on Reddit.

French GP may be alternating to stay on calendar, could be few more alternating circuits to allow for 30 circuits, but not all in same year.

Spa just finished the big renos (article on RF) so that would be weird if it dropped off. And would suck, one of the last real tracks left.

Some weird named MotoGP circuit wants to host F1. Think it started with an M.

Las Vegas GP will most likely be during the US Tgiving weekend next year.

Vettel has until Friday to submit a neg test or he won't be driving. After how AM performed, I would prob sit it out too even if not sick.

Fucking Ham showed up at track in an all red outfit this time. LOL, subliminal message to Ferrari?

Mercedes apparently is using a shaved rear wing. Which will provide less downforce! One of the writers on The Race cant see how that is going to help them.

The drivers said the mods to the Jeddah track to make it safer are "minor" changes.

Ocon will have the updated sidepods to match Alonso having them.

Also Merc are saying the engine isn't really down on power etc., but again one of the guys on The Race isn't buying it fully and thinks indeed the Merc is behind Fer/RBPT. Not sure where Alpine fits in, tied with Merc?

I am glad there is another race this weekend. Nice way to start off the season to have back to back. Don't have to wait as long to see if first race was an anomaly or will the results be similar and thus a trend as to how the season may play out starts to develop and solidify a bit.
 
LiveFromNS said:
Ocon will have the updated sidepods to match Alonso having them.
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Ocon was far faster than Alonso at Bahrain though, I mean they have far more data but I wouldn't expect Alonso to have a better car and be that much slower than Ocon.

After Bahrain I'm quite concerned Pirelli fucked up on their brief to make tyres that could be pushed and not have a tyre preservation formula. Yes Bahrain is a particularly high deg circuit but those were the hardest in their range and no one could really push them.

An article from last November tells you what they were going for, I really hope Bahrain was just an anomaly and they've done what they set out to.
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How's this one for a great plan, that just popped in my head after a hash joint! LOLOL

Have a 2 year championship. Hold say 45 races (each at a different track) across the 2 year span. Then have the fans/teams/drivers etc. vote on what were the best 25 races over that period. Then take top 22 tracks and make the season and the other 3 tracks alternate with tracks 20, 21, 22 for the following year. The other 20 tracks can go fuck off permanently. LOLOL

I am not being overly serious of course and know it would never happen nor do I think it would ever be rationally considered. But it would be an interesting way to just deal with all the interest once and for all and put an end to this country and that country wanting in or getting pushed out.

Coccxys said:
Ocon was far faster than Alonso at Bahrain though, I mean they have far more data but I wouldn't expect Alonso to have a better car and be that much slower than Ocon.

After Bahrain I'm quite concerned Pirelli fucked up on their brief to make tyres that could be pushed and not have a tyre preservation formula. Yes Bahrain is a particularly high deg circuit but those were the hardest in their range and no one could really push them.

An article from last November tells you what they were going for, I really hope Bahrain was just an anomaly and they've done what they set out to.
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I went looking for the blurb I read about the Ocon sidepods but of course couldn't find it again! I am pretty sure I read the blurb somewhere though. I think. LOL While looking though I did see that Alpine also has a new floor.

As for the tire, I also see that for this race they are bringing the C2-C4 range, whereas Bahrain were harder C1-C3. Deg is less I am sure on SA track, but will be interesting to see how tires do with being one step softer this weekend.

I agree, perhaps Bahrain was just really hard on the tire or the tires were just too hard and didn't really do what they were supposed to. We won't really know until we start getting the day time races with track temps at 40 above. Maybe they are only optimal to do what was intended within a certain temp range and Bahrain, and Barcelona also for the 1st test, the track was just not hot enough for them to really work. Let's hope its something like that and come hot race track they will work like a charm. Hopefully!
 
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Let me guess they drop Spa but "at least you get generic Tilke ring in random American city" because gotta hijack the entire sport and turn it into "America with a few fly away races to places the government's bribe encourage FOM to go there".

2 American races fine; 3, 4, 5,... and it's getting utterly ridiculous.


Same. Fortnightly races with the occasional double header feels a good pace. Double headers with the occasional triple is getting to the point I can't watch every race live.

In the same interview they talked about new teams too.
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Hopefully it won't mean a return to the ridiculousness of prequalifying or teams that are running absolute dogs shit cars 5+ seconds a lap off the pace followed by breaking down midway every race.

I don't see how Q1 could function with that many teams, pit stops would become a nightmare for unsafe releases especially during a safety car and there aren't that many garages in the pits at many modern tracks.
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All F1 has to do is look at NASCAR to see what not to do. Constructing a horde of tracks that all looked and raced alike in fad markets and expanding the schedule, then the crowds quickly dried up and now they've been on a downswing for the past decade and a half.

If F1 wants to follow the France Family playbook then let it crash and burn.
 
LiveFromNS said:
Also Merc are saying the engine isn't really down on power etc., but again one of the guys on The Race isn't buying it fully and thinks indeed the Merc is behind Fer/RBPT. Not sure where Alpine fits in, tied with Merc?

I am glad there is another race this weekend. Nice way to start off the season to have back to back. Don't have to wait as long to see if first race was an anomaly or will the results be similar and thus a trend as to how the season may play out starts to develop and solidify a bit.
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To be fair to Mercedes, they have to put on higher wings / ride height to generate the needed surface pressure. This costs speed on long straights. The funny thing is that this apparently counts for ALL Mercedes cars so there is that (except Williams who somehow managed to get decent straight line speed in Bahrain)

Oh and Vettel won't race in Djidda. Guess he is contemplating if he wants to sit in this mess of a car and also racing in a hellhole country

Just my two cents for more races: a race in Africa would be a good idea as at least South Africa has a tradition of F1 races. I personally would love a return to Argentina, Buenos Aires was always a good race.
 
Balr0g said:
To be fair to Mercedes, they have to put on higher wings / ride height to generate the needed surface pressure. This costs speed on long straights. The funny thing is that this apparently counts for ALL Mercedes cars so there is that (except Williams who somehow managed to get decent straight line speed in Bahrain)
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McLaren are significantly down on Merc in terms of downforce and aren't overly fast in a straight line. It could be they have lots of useless drag though.

The table of speeds has a lot of merc cars propping it up. It can't be every one of them made an exceptionally draggy car while everyone else made a more streamlined car.
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Latifi was the top of the speed charts for merc cars and propped up the field on Sundays race so it does maybe suggest he was down on downforce so could go quicker on the straight but that's not a winning strategy.

A.P. Hill said:
All F1 has to do is look at NASCAR to see what not to do. Constructing a horde of tracks that all looked and raced alike in fad markets and expanding the schedule, then the crowds quickly dried up and now they've been on a downswing for the past decade and a half.

If F1 wants to follow the France Family playbook then let it crash and burn.
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Here's your problem with that though, they're taking entirely the opposite stance. Like these sorts love to do.

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"We started expanding internationally and our ticket sales are going down, better expand more to offset it"

These kinds are always chasing the theoretical bigger audience while taking their current fans for granted then doubling down when revenue drops more. See also every single video game and film company.

Here's a fun forbes article about muh diversity in NASCAR. Even if you've never read it you'll get dejavu reading through all the muh wamen, muh George Floyd sperging. Starting with "nascar fans are racist misogynistic hicks" as a given and working through to how fuck those guys the costal elites and ghetto dwellers will totally come running once we get rid of them. Here is the final paragraph to give you a taste of the conclusion

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Coccxys said:
McLaren are significantly down on Merc in terms of downforce and aren't overly fast in a straight line. It could be they have lots of useless drag though.

The table of speeds has a lot of merc cars propping it up. It can't be every one of them made an exceptionally draggy car while everyone else made a more streamlined car.
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Latifi was the top of the speed charts for merc cars and propped up the field on Sundays race so it does maybe suggest he was down on downforce so could go quicker on the straight but that's not a winning strategy.
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I watched the Sky stream and it also underline the theory that the Merc teams made more mistakes with their cars: Aston Martin had some of the lowest top speeds in Bahrain and they confirmed that they had to use increased ride heights to combat the porposing which in turn leads to a weaker ground effect costing speed in fast corners as well as speed on the straight. Of course as I said it is funny that nearly ALL of the Merc customers made the same mistake (the works team has the advantage of having their car build around it as they first know what the engine looks like). It could be that the engine prevents them from doing what Honda, Renault and Ferrari teams do. Or all those teams copied their homework from each other only to find out that it was a capital F
 
I don't know how much I trust sky analysis when it comes to Mercedes, they have been putting out a lot of weapons grade copium because they're having to come to terms with not being able to call gargling Hamilton's balls for 90% of the time work anymore.

Every piece they put out on the topic is "this is how Mercades can still win" with their takes of "oh they just need to work out the torque settings on a couple of nuts and they'll gain 5 seconds a lap".

Maybe the engine is the best ever and it is just set ups, maybe there is some magical adjustment on the car that will suddenly make them unbeatable, maybe there is a Super OP upgrade coming shortly. I'm not taking Sky at their word on any of it though.
 
Reliability is going to be murderous this year. Alsonso already yeeted an IC unit, Magnusen gearbox fucked.

Yeah the new graphics are buggy shite. Someone needs to go tell the trannies they hired as software developers to get on to the Indians that actually do the work to fix it.
 
I know its way early in the weekend, but Max is doing a 1:31.3 on Hards and if gap from H to S is a shade over 2 secs, per Pirelli comments from Bahrain, then that takes it down to close to 1:29 or so if he did similar lap on Softs. Pole last year was a 1:27.5.

With it only being first 1/3 of FP1 that is in the books, how likely they will beat the pole time of last year? Will they beat it in Q3, and actually get in to the 1:26s? These cars are supposed to be faster than last year in high speed corners, and other than straights, that is all this track is. Keep an eye on whether they beat last year's time, but looks like the potential is there.
 
The track has been opened up a bit in places too letting them push a bit more so could well see a new lap record here.

As good as this drivers cam is there is definitely a point of too much and I get the feeling we're going to hot that this year. It's good for single lap runs to demonstrate what it's like but not in the race, that change to Zhou in Bahrain when Bottas was overtaking just meant missing the overtake.
 
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Let's not forget Gasly had to change a battery after Bahrain and you are only allowed two of those suckers. Either the new cars are wrecking their internals no one anticipated or starting in the desert wasn't the smartest idea. Oh and the track is already falling apart with a red flag for the fallen 50 meter marker. Of to a good start
 
Must resist urge to pick AT and their drivers! MUST RESIST! LOL They have burned me in past, including Gasly again last weekend!

Both ATs ahead of Hambone. ATs on H, Lewis on S. Be nice if that ends up being the case the entire weekend.
 
Monaco is going to be fun this year. If these cars are a handful in confined spaces and slow corners they're going to have to really work for it there. That plus it is definitely not a smooth surface being a road and all. They're going to have to weld the drains down very well since most of the downforce on these cars is now grand affect ie sucking the floor of the car and the track surface together.
 
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