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Looks like Ham will have to skip a weekend with a Grade A+ high class lady of the evening. Feel bad for the dude, must be a severe strain on his pocketbook.
Love how they're spinning this to Hamilton giving his money freely to help underprivileged kids and puppies when it is a fine for breaking the rules of the sport he's in.

I can't claim any tax deduction on the speeding ticket I got a couple of years back because it was a penalty for getting caught breaking the rules.

As for car performance/running order I'm I'm agreement. We're going to get inundated with "here is how Lewis can still win copium from the media all year though.
 
I am only convinced Mercedes build a shit car after the race when Russell and Hamilton are NOT on the podium. But it seems that the "small sidepod" solution isn't exactly the to go solution. Which makes me wonder why they did that in the first place. When Ground effect was introduced in the late 70's they build skirts onto the cars to create the ground effect. So I assume that you need bigger" sidepods in order to generate a good ground effect. Then again I am not an expert on that and the ground effect of today isn't the ground effect 20 years ago
 
Merc will only luck into a podium, and even that would be a stretch. They will not get one on merit, unless it rains or some equally weird occurrence. To back up my belief:

ALFA ROMEO IS AS QUICK AS ‘STRUGGLING’ MERCEDES – RUSSELL

2 hours ago
By Matt Beer

Mercedes is one second off the pace of its main Formula 1 rivals on the long-run pace at the Bahrain Grand Prix and in the same territory as Alfa Romeo and AlphaTauri, reckons George Russell.

After a difficult pre-season testing period in which it was held back in particular by porpoising problems, Mercedes remained adrift of the frontrunners in Friday practice at Sakhir.

While Lewis Hamilton was only eighth fastest in the second session having twice run wide at Turn 1 on qualifying simulation laps, his new team-mate Russell at least managed fourth place.

But he said even that time, six tenths of a second off pacesetter Max Verstappen’s Red Bull and the Ferrari of nearest rival Charles Leclerc, was deceptive.

“I don’t think you can read too much into that one lap,” said Russell.

“I think the high fuel pace is a bit more representative and we were consistently over a second slower than where our rivals are.”

Though Russell felt Mercedes had made some progress with resolving its problems, he admitted that wasn’t yet translating into pace.

He suggested it was under pressure from midfielders like AlphaTauri – which had led practice one with Pierre Gasly, albeit on softer tyres than the leading teams – and Alfa Romeo, where the man he replaced at Mercedes, Valtteri Bottas, was sixth in practice two.

“It’s all about laptime and we’re certainly not where we want to be,” said Russell.

“I think we’ve made a bit of progress solving some issues, but the pace is not there.

“We’re both struggling a bit with the car. And we’re a long way off the pace of Red Bull, Ferrari, even the likes of AlphaTauri, Alfa Romeo are seemingly on our pace or even quicker. Got a bit of work to do.”

Hamilton said Mercedes was “faced with much, much bigger problems this year” compared to early-season struggles in other seasons and “everything we do to try and kind of fix doesn’t really change that”.

He added: “It appears that it is probably going to be a more longer term fix, so nothing in the short term.”
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Mercedes are nine tenths off Red Bull, six tenths off Ferrari – Hamilton

Posted on 18th March 2022, 17:20 | Written by Will Wood

Lewis Hamilton says Mercedes’ practice pace proves the team were not bluffing about the problems they are having with their W13.

The seven-times world champion ended second practice in ninth place, 1.2 seconds off Max Verstappen. Hamilton had to contend with glazed brakes and a DRS fault, but team mate George Russell was still almost six tenths of a second away from Verstappen, and slower than both Ferraris.

This morning Verstappen ridiculed Mercedes’ claims they are not in competitive shape for the start of the season. But Hamilton said their practice pace showed they had been sincere about their problems.

“I told you in the last week we’re not going to be in the race for a win here,” he said. “If you look at the Red Bull they’re a long, long way ahead. It’s in the region of eight to nine tenths ahead of us and Ferrari something like half a second, six tenths ahead of us. So we’re fighting and scrapping with whoever’s behind them.”

A “longer term” fix is needed for the car’s lack of pace, he said. “We’ve had small problems in the past, relatively. Compared to this year, we’ve had much, much smaller problems.

“We’re faced with much, much bigger problems this year. Everything we do to try and kind of fix it, doesn’t really change that. It appears that it’s probably going to be a more longer-term fix. Nothing in the short term.”

Russell echoed Hamilton’s words, saying Mercedes are “a long way off” their biggest rivals. He suggested the team may even have fallen behind Alfa Romeo – who his predecessor Valtteri Bottas has joined – and AlphaTauri.

“I think it’s clear it’s all about lap time and we’re certainly not where we want to be,” said Russell.” I think we’ve made a bit of progress solving some issues, but the pace is just not there at all at the moment. So we need to really go over the data tonight to understand.
“We’re both struggling a bit with the car and we’re a long way off the pace of Red Bull and Ferrari. Even the likes of AlphaTauri, Alfa Romeo are seemingly on our pace or even quicker. So we’ve got a bit of work to do.”

Despite his best lap time being good enough for fourth, Russell believes Mercedes’ deficit is more apparent during longer runs.

“That’s one lap – I don’t think you can read too much into that one lap,” Russell said.
“I think the high fuel pace is a bit more representative. And we were consistently over a second slower than where our rivals are, so I know I need to look into the data a bit further. Maybe there’s a reason for it. But from our side, we’re definitely not overly happy with the car right now and we’ve got some work to do.”
 
Well, from the looks of things, at least right now, can't say until the race, of course, that the rules accomplished some degree of the intended grid scramble.
Modern art is what happens when the entire industry is one giant money laundering scheme that needs more physical assets to facilitate the scale of the laundering.

One example that typifies this is that when Mexico required full infomation on the buyer of artworks sales dropped by 70% read more here.
That is a factor, but I was referring to the true believers in that shit, because there are, and yes, invariably, they are into clown world shit.
 
When I imagine Hamlestier raking his brain to come up with a satisfying answer to Merc engineers once they ask them how he feels about the car and what to change to make it better, I have to smile.

Dude has literally no idea how his car works outside of "push buttons when guy on radio tells me to" so he has virtually no input on how to improve performance.
I know, you can't argue about taste, but boy howdy, that Merc looks ugly as sin. Every car this season is a beauty in its own right, but that Mercedes with its weird sidepods looks like a piece of curd soap that got too wet.
The worst is when it's very clearly his fault and ofter a deliberate tantrum. We saw examples of it when fighting for championships up against Rossberg. He would pull some really dumb maneuver that was only ever going to end in both cars wrecked then everyone would set about trying to blame Rossberg for not knowing Lewis was about to pull something dumb and avoiding it. How many of those were him going in knowing that dumb thing would ensure they both go out but it can be played as a mistake is a different question.
It's one of his atrocious fanclubs' top 3 most annoying attitudes, they pretend like Hamilton always has right of way in all circumstances.

Their understanding:
Hamilton is on track -----> He should be allowed to pass the other car.

So, I read this article below just now and it made me think, you know what's the one thing we haven't really talked about since 2022 began here in the thread? Something that usually got talked about a fair amount. That's right. Tires.

By all accounts from what I have read over last couple of weeks, the drivers' who have made comments about this year's tires all seemed to like them and felt they allowed you to push, i.e. race hard every lap, and as a result there won't be as much (hopefully none!) of this driving to a delta bullshit before pitting. I can't recall who were the drivers comments I read (maybe Carlos or Charles and I think someone else) but I do remember the comments were that they were better.

So, of course, the clown apparently feels different. I wonder why? Maybe because now that Merc ain't looking likely to be out in the lead and as drivers won't be driving to a delta and will be attacking, Lewis can see he is going to have to work his ass off to do well in a race. Sowing the seeds of blame on why he will suck this year has already begun.

Hamilton slates Pirelli over tyres 'worse than last year'​

Thursday 17 March 2022 07:00

Lewis Hamilton has criticised Pirelli for supplying tyres that are "worse this year" ahead of the F1 season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.


Mercedes endured a mixed pre-season test as the team battled to get to grips with its radical new 'disappearing sidepod' concept.

Despite catching the eye with its design, the Silver Arrows failed to make an impact on the timesheets compared to rivals Red Bull and Haas with Hamilton's best effort across the three days putting his just 16th overall.

Mercedes has previously labelled its 2021 car a "diva" and asked if this was again an appropriate description, Hamilton explained: "It’s not necessarily a word I would potentially use.

"I think 2022’s car regulations have meant, for everyone with everyone sliding around, we all seem to have less grip than before, the tyres are worse this year.

“On the long runs, it’s physically a lot easier for me, what I’ve found here. The positives so far, following another car looks a little bit better which is hopefully the right direction."

Despite his criticism of Pirelli, the seven-time champion backed the tyre manufacturer to deliver an improved product during the season.

“I hope we can get some better tyres at some stage, or maybe they’ll work better in places where it’s not so hot," he added. "I’m sure the progress through the year will get to that place.”
EDIT-Yeah, Carlos was one.

Sainz encouraged by how hard drivers can push new tyres​

Carlos Sainz Jnr says he believes that drivers can push more on the new Pirelli tyres for 2022 compared to previous seasons.

Formula 1 has moved to 18-inch wheels for the first time in 2022, with tyre supplier Pirelli having produced an entirely new construction of tyre to suit the bigger, lower profile wheels.

While the new Pirellis are still designed to degrade over time, Sainz believes drivers will be able to lean on them harder than in previous years.

“I am maybe a bit more encouraged by them just because they did quite a bit of testing last year – I think I did three or four days in total with the compounds and they look like they are suiting well this new generation of cars,” Sainz said.

“They look to be at least allowing you to push a bit more on them compared to other years – maybe a bit less overheating, a bit less degradation. But they’re still a tyre that degrades, a tyre that overheats… but the scale of it, for me personally, I feel like it’s a bit better and the work done by Pirelli last year and the development seems to start to pay off a bit.
Hamilton bitching about tyres performing badly... must be a day ending in y. :story:

Maybe he's projecting. I can easily imagine Hamilton to be the kind of guy that will blame everything and everyone else when this season goes poorly.
Difference is Hamilton has shown himself incapable of driving with controlled aggression. When he gets aggressive 9 times out of 10 it ends up with him and the other car out. See all his battles against Button, Rossberg and Vestappen. He needs to have a car that let's him be free and clear or at least able to just drive around the opposition, when it gets wheel to wheel we've seen what's happens over and over again.

Sky F1 right into 2021 again rather than getting the fuck on with this new season we've been looking forward to for years.
I will never tire to repeat: 7 time world champion, supposedly greatest driver in F1 history. And he can't drive wheel to wheel for shit.
“But we’ve worked together to make sure that the money will be put towards youths from underprivileged backgrounds [to help] them get into motorsport engineering.”
Oh geez, how nice of him. Now, if only he had any kind of spare money to support these poor underprivileged youths when he doesn't have to pay a fine for breaking F1 rules.
So I assume that you need bigger" sidepods in order to generate a good ground effect. Then again I am not an expert on that and the ground effect of today isn't the ground effect 20 years ago
The ground-effect is generated via the floor alone, so its size works independent of the size of the sidepods. I guess the sidepods' shape directs airflow towards the brakes, rear wing and so on, so shaping them in a way to direct that flow in a benificial way is very important... but that's most likely also somewhat independent from their size.

What I think happened with Mercedes is that they went with a small sidepod design, cause it reduces air resistance, but now their car has air-seperation above the floor and around the sidepods, which makes the car twitchy and induces porpoising. I'll fucking die of laughter if they optimized their car to sit in wind-tunnels and neglected how going into a corner with actual contact to a tarmac surface would affect the car's handling.

Something that came to my mind: How will driving in a tightly packed field affect Mercedes with those tiny sidepods? Maybe that's where their design actually shines: The cooling works via the large intake above Larbleton's head, maybe that's where you get clean, cold air instead of the hot/dirty air that'll get sucked into the sidepods? Maybe Mercedes will be able to outperform others from behind their slip-stream?

Then again, maybe it's the other way around. Maybe the small sidepods turn out to be insufficient when running behind another car... now that would be fucking fantastic. Imagine Mercedes blowing up a few of their engines as they desperately try to figure out a sidepod design that doesn't overheat their radiators.

Also, calling it now, where every other car sorta protects their floor from damage with their wide sidepods, the Mercedes will become instantly undrivable if someone gives them a little love-tap to the side.
 
Oh geez, how nice of him. Now, if only he had any kind of spare money to support these poor underprivileged youths when he doesn't have to pay a fine for breaking F1 rules.
Hambone reportedly pledged almost $30m for his pet cause. The key word is "pledged" and it was set up with Mercedes, so who knows how much has actually come out of Hambone's own pocket.
 
In my opinion, for all that is worth, at best one of the Merc's will finish fifth, barring problems for either of the 4 Fer/RB, which could snag them a podium. But assuming its a fairly typical type race without major incidents taking out top cars, they won't even finish 5th from the evidence before us at the moment.

Let's assume that they lock out row 3 (which would be a major comeback at this point). They won't be catching the top 4 (assumed to be RB/Fer) and they will have not just one or two cars behind them seeking to pounce on the opportunity with Merc looking weak, but they could have a half dozen or more who are just as quick, if not quicker, on long run pace and have better handling cars. And they won't be driving to a delta so it will be constant pressure. How many flat out laps will Lewis be able to do before the shaking gets to him/the car?

I have been reading many articles and analysis today/tonite after the FP sessions and nowhere do I see that Merc has any chance of getting a podium, and the potential of finishing in the lower part of Top 10, or even outside Top 10, is a real and distinct possibility. Given what we have seen today of course. A Merc getting 7th place would be a victory for them, all things considered.

Max is going to romp away and Ferraris will have to keep him honest. His long run pace blew everyone else away on the softs. Consistently in the 1:37s for 10 laps whereas next best (Charles-only did 3 lap stint), and Checo did first couple laps in 37s then dropped off to 38s. Ham didn't do a soft stint, but look at the medium stint he did, 10 laps. Alonso did 10 laps on M and on average was faster than Ham. Tsu averaged only .6 secs slower over a 9 lap M stint. So basically, after 10 laps, Tsu would only be 6 seconds behind Lewis. Below are a couple of graphs I grabbed from Reddit.

If Merc is able to lock out row 3, they will have to do some serious defending and won't be challenging RB/Fer. If they don't lock out row 3, they are going to have problems passing those ahead and those behind will be right on their ass. If Alonso, Bottas and George finish ahead of Ham (all very likely), it will be glorious! Any others like Gasly or Haas guys will be just icing on the cake!
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Difference is Hamilton has shown himself incapable of driving with controlled aggression. When he gets aggressive 9 times out of 10 it ends up with him and the other car out. See all his battles against Button, Rossberg and Vestappen. He needs to have a car that let's him be free and clear or at least able to just drive around the opposition, when it gets wheel to wheel we've seen what's happens over and over again.

Sky F1 right into 2021 again rather than getting the fuck on with this new season we've been looking forward to for years.
hamilton doesnt have any racecraft whatsoever. fucker keep crashing into massa and albon
 
Maybe he's projecting. I can easily imagine Hamilton to be the kind of guy that will blame everything and everyone else when this season goes poorly.
>Max finishes first
>This one's on us Lewis...

>Bottas: WHY U NO TWO STOP ME!?
>We got Perez who's one one. Gap to Perez at...
 
Also mentions what went wrong at Williams. Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

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https://archive.md/Lqu54 unfortunately you need a subscription for the full interview.
Williams was kind of obvious as they more or less build the SAME FREAKING CAR from 2014 onwards with only slight modifications. And Ron Dennis also said famously "when you start a team you and your engine partner have to start with a blank sheat of paper and then you go from there"

Oh and a theory for this season: FP2 showed most Merc teams at the back of the grid. Could it perhaps be that the Merc engine isn't the strongest engine anymore? Ferrari said they managed to squeeze nearly 20 more HP out of their engine. I kinda think it's the engine that costs the Merc customers time. I mean how big is the coincidence that Williams, Aston Martin and Mclaren all made the same construction mistakes? Though that was FP2 the real truth will be seen on Sunday of course
 
Williams was kind of obvious as they more or less build the SAME FREAKING CAR from 2014 onwards with only slight modifications. And Ron Dennis also said famously "when you start a team you and your engine partner have to start with a blank sheat of paper and then you go from there"
In DTS it was heavily implied without anyone wanting to say it that Claire was not the best in the team principal role. No idea how much Netflix wanted to run that story so made sure it happened or if there was truth to it but there were a lot of journalists who said similar during her reign.

Aaaand there go the sand bags.
 
Yeah that was to be expected. Though when I look at the car it seems they have increased the ride height as the car isn't bouncing this hard. and you can actually see a slight gap between the floor and the track. Will be interesting to see how that affects race performance
 
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