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We’re still multi World Champions you know, it’s just they haven’t got it right this time, they didn’t get it right last year, but that doesn’t mean we can’t get it right moving forward
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"WE are still mutli world champions"
"THEY haven't got it right this time"
"THEY didn't get it right last year"
"WE can't get it right moving forward"

Notice how he effortlessly includes himself in the team when discussing the good, and separates himself out when discussing the bad. It's second nature to him to talk like this.
Incidentally, Lewis, the first time you won in a MB you had zero input into the design, Maybe the secret to winning is to NOT listen to your feedback based on that?
 
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Joondaluphouse said:
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Hamilton says Mercedes didn't listen to him on W14 design

With Mercedes' W14 looking unlikely to be fighting for wins in 2023, Lewis Hamilton says the team didn't listen to his input when designing the car.
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God lewis is completely insufferable
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Imagine being the supposed GOAT and your team wont listen to your feed back, lol lmao even.

But seriously it's just another hubris nail in Merc's coffin along with this from last year
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They seem to have no interest in listening to their drivers.

Joondaluphouse said:
Incidentally, Lewis, the first time you won in a MB you had zero input into the design, Maybe the secret to winning is to NOT listen to your feedback based on that?
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You raise an interesting point, after Rosberg left many of the subsequent cars were referred to as 'a diva'.
 
Joondaluphouse said:
"WE are still mutli world champions"
"THEY haven't got it right this time"
"THEY didn't get it right last year"
"WE can't get it right moving forward"

Notice how he effortlessly includes himself in the team when discussing the good, and separates himself out when discussing the bad. It's second nature to him to talk like this.
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Compare Hamilton's canned post-race speech to Alonso's (or really any other driver's):
Engineer said:
Well done, that's P3!
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Alonso said:
Yes! What you have done guys! What you have done. I'm so proud of you. Feels amazing. And by the way, Lance is my hero. Amazing performance. Well done everyone.
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New Fag said:
Imagine being the supposed GOAT and your team wont listen to your feed back, lol lmao even.

But seriously it's just another hubris nail in Merc's coffin along with this from last year
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They seem to have no interest in listening to their drivers.



You raise an interesting point, after Rosberg left many of the subsequent cars were referred to as 'a diva'.
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To be brutally honest, I think you're buying into the ridicolous notion that engineers design a car around a drivers preference. I think that's retarded to be honest. I think the drivers can play with the SETUP of the car in order to influence it to have oversteer or understeer and other minor characteristic changes, but this notion that drivers have some huge input in the development of the car strikes me as pretty dumb
 
Joondaluphouse said:
To be brutally honest, I think you're buying into the ridicolous notion that engineers design a car around a drivers preference. I think that's retarded to be honest. I think the drivers can play with the SETUP of the car in order to influence it to have oversteer or understeer and other minor characteristic changes, but this notion that drivers have some huge input in the development of the car strikes me as pretty dumb
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No I just think most of the time you should listen to your drivers, if the team goes "ok this is the fastest set up" and the driver says "I can't drive that" the correct reply is not "stfu and get on with it". Just like if the driver says "it's a shit box" the best reply isn't "you can't say that it's a Ferrari".

As for designing cars nowadays they have development drivers who sit in sims with the planned car, the actual race drivers also do a bit of this too ( except Lewis who only started caring about this stuff in 2021) and the feed back from this goes into the physical car. In the old days they would pound round a test track trying out all the new parts, with either the stop watch or drivers saying what was good.
 
New Fag said:
No I just think most of the time you should listen to your drivers, if the team goes "ok this is the fastest set up" and the driver says "I can't drive that" the correct reply is not "stfu and get on with it". Just like if the driver says "it's a shit box" the best reply isn't "you can't say that it's a Ferrari".

As for designing cars nowadays they have development drivers who sit in sims with the planned car, the actual race drivers also do a bit of this too ( except Lewis who only started caring about this stuff in 2021) and the feed back from this goes into the physical car. In the old days they would pound round a test track trying out all the new parts, with either the stop watch or drivers saying what was good.
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This is a much more reasonable take, and i think we are in agreement: the driver has a lot of input for the setup on race day, for sure. I don't think the SIM driving really guides the direction of development for the car other than as you mention acting as a way for them to gauge performance but I couldn't say for sure.
 
Lewis claims they ignored his ideas but doesn't say his ideas were about as good as putting square wheels on the thing. Honestly very few drivers know the first thing about engineering a car, they give feedback and someone much more knowledgable works out how to act on that. The few drivers who come along and do understand or take time to learn that stuff are hailed for it because it isn't the norm.

Something tells me Verstappen didnt spend winter giving pointers on aero design to Newie. So hambone pretending his imput is valuable if just a joke.

Hopefully the cracks showing already and Hambone being vocal about the team fucking it up for him means a split is on the horizon and we all know RBR and Ferrari won't touch him so it's either off to another uncompetitive car or preferably right the fuck out of the sport.

As for designing a car for a driver, there is some of that. The way you design the suspension (push vs pull rod) or the floor design for example will have a big impact on the balance of the car that no amount of set up will dial out.

Yes the system of systems need to be integrated in a way that need to have desirable emergent behaviours while minimising the undesirable ones so certain options have to be a certain way but there's no way driver preference doesn't factor in.

That's why the RBR second seat is always a nightmare, because Max wants a super tight front end which is difficult for other drivers. If it was only set up then they could just change the set up to make it how they want.
 
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LiveFromNS said:
Wowser, the Indy race was bueno! Crazy stuff and way more action than the GP. Indy seems much more exciting/competitive of a series on a whole compared to F1.

Fucking RoGro....
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It was definitely more entertaining watching a Foyt shitbox ARCA brake into a 5 car wreck and send DeFrancesco flying. Reminder that the guy who nearly took DeFrancesco's legs out has a ride and Linus Lundqvist does not.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...Andretti is absolutely snakebit. Rossi was right to get out of there when he could. Kyle Crashwood got better equipment and still binned it twice but somehow kept it running despite going airborne. And the less said about poor RoGro the better.

St. Pete is a bit of a meme track in general, but unlike Nashville it can produce something approaching racing when people aren't full sending it into Turn 3.
 
I heard some expert looking fellow say that the reason Merc struggles with this rule set is their philosophy in design where they go for the fastest possible design but the car has to be kept within strict parameters whereas RB and the Screwderia tends to keep a less finicky car that may have less overall potential but is more reliable to perform out of the sweet spot.

Given the deal with ground effect (ride height and such), that could be the source of Merc's problems.
 
I have great news!

Who wants a London GP?

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A Formula One motor racing track is included in plans being drawn up that would lead to the Royal Docks in east London being turned into a new waterfront destination. A London Grand Prix could come as early as 2026 in a best-case scenario, according to planners and consultants from Dar and LDN Collective, which are drafting the project.

The circuit they have mapped out would mean cars racing racing down waterfront along the Royal Albert and Royal Victoria docks before turning around the ExCel Centre. Floating grandstands would be capable of holding 95,000 spectators.

For the racing purists, the 5.9km track has been configured to “maximise overtaking” and the designers compare it to the Circuit de Gilles-Villeneuve in Montreal.
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London Grand Prix stars in docks proposal

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Fuck London, fuck (most) street circuits and fuck London.

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On the bright side they have yet to give any brief cases of money.

A spokesman for Formula One, however, said that “there are no plans for a Docklands Grand Prix. We have a long-standing relationship with Silverstone.”
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Road Work Ahead said:
Leclerc to take grid penalty this weekend. :story:

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Ferrari confirm Charles Leclerc will be hit with grid penalty for Saudi Arabian Grand Prix | Formula 1®

Charles Leclerc will have his work cut out in this weekend’s Saudi Arabian Grand Prix after his Ferrari team were forced to fit another control electronics power unit component, which in turn triggers a grid penalty.
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Lekino continues.

I wonder what bit 'control electronics' refers to because unless shitty Marelli electrical connectors shorted the HV bus to the computer the 'control electronics' have been FIA supplied (built by McLaren I think)... So therefore why punish the team for something they didn't make fucking up?

Yuuichirou Kumada said:
I predict it will go the same way the proposed New Jersey street course went. Remember that one?
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Don't remind me. A bunch of NASCAR orbiters are currently trying to say 'we need to be in NYC' due to the apocalyptic-looking Chicago street race.
 
The fact that nearly all of this is happening to Carl and not the other Carl makes me think that Carl does something bad behind the scenes and is receiving divine punishment for it.

Can these spaghetti motherfuckers do anything right?
 
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