Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

[Coccxys]

Oh here we go. Pulls bullshit, gets criticised, finds the 1 idiot comment in 1000 valid criticisms to push the narrative. Its all so tiresome.



Of course no examples, "recipts" or scale of the number of such comments is given. Just the blanket statement. The article just states its conclusion over and over while linking it to the England football teams shit, almost like it's a planned media coverage.

These are the comments of a grade A prick



"Me pulling a dangerous manoeuvre that sent my rival to hospital is a reminder how brave I am"

Fuck off Lewis, you put another driver in danger, but for your actions that accident would not have occurred.

You don't drive fairly, the way you try and overtake your competitors either jump out of your way or get taken out. Its just more evidence to the pile of Hamilton cannot drive wheel to wheel, if the other driver tries to defend their position its 50/50 if they're being taken off. (And as you can see in the video below he's been practicing his pit manoeuvre on red bulls for a while now).

 

[New Fag]

He was roughly the same height as Verstappen but then braked and hit Verstappen at the left rear wheel. I am not sure if you can drive through Copse at full speed with two F1 cars. I did that in Simracing and Touringcars and it needs perfect car placement. I think Ricciardo managed to do that in 2016 but that was in a RedBull and his opponent had a slower car

You can go through side by side but the inside car needs to be further out. Copse is very fast corner and sticking it where Hamilton did leads to a very compromised apex hence him breaking so much that Max went back ahead, he had to brake so he could make the turn.

The forum wars are still going strong and are a great laugh, you have people quoting Senna about going for the gap then others pointing out that he admitted to doing it on purpose.

As an aside remember that Adelaide 94 was a racing incident and people still hate Schumacher to this day for it but punting off your rival and getting a penalty is just good hard racing...

 

[blablabla]

so this asshole almost kills a dude, gets handed a red flag to fix the car, wins over a broken down ferrari, sends max to the hospital but everyone talks about how you cant call him nigger. talk about privilege

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

These are the comments of a grade A prick



"Me pulling a dangerous manoeuvre that sent my rival to hospital is a reminder how brave I am"

Same energy as saying "This sport is dangerous, I am glad Verstappen wasn't hurt... this time. If he ever tries keeping his position against me, I'll do it again. God, I'm such a badass."
It's shit like this that almost makes me wanna see him do this shit once more, it going horribly wrong and Hamilton spending the rest of the season with a leg in a casket.
Fuck this prick.

You don't drive fairly, the way you try and overtake your competitors either jump out of your way or get taken out. Its just more evidence to the pile of Hamilton cannot drive wheel to wheel, if the other driver tries to defend their position its 50/50 if they're being taken off. (And as you can see in the video below he's been practicing his pit manoeuvre on red bulls for a while now).

Hamilton bullshit.mp4

Seven times WDC with a knighthood and all bells and whistles everybody. A guy who simply can't cope with another driver doing well and thus resorts to stupid divebombs that through sheer luck don't affect him as much as his opponents. What a legacy this clown will have. The best driver of all time that can't even do a clean fucking overtake in a stupidly overpowered car. The best driver ever, who attempts to overtake in the most asinine spots anyone could pick.

Also gotta love the Hamilton Defense Force on full display, saying he was alongside Verstappen and thus Verstappen should have yielded. Hamilton was for a very brief moment alongside Verstappen but still slightly behind, but he was going down a trajectory where at that speed, he would never have made the corner. Even then, after braking, he bumped into Verstappen and still had to run wide. In what Santa Clause physics bullshit world does that translate into "he was alongside" or even "he was ahead"? And isn't it funny that Hamilton's line was nowhere near the actual apex of the corner? His speed would make taking the corner pretty hard to begin with, but then he wastes at least a car's width in space towards the apex by not turning in more? Either he didn't steer far enough inwards to squeeze Verstappen off or he was way too fast and couldn't drive more closely towards the center.
Pick your poison: "dirty driving" or "incompetent misjudgement".

It was yet again a maneuver that forces the other driver to choose between precisely two alternatives: Back down or crash. I just hope there will be an appropriate amount of booing come the next races. I also wonder how Max will treat this kind of stuff in the future, he's not the kind of driver to shy away from an aggressive line himself, this could fan the flames and lead to another accident down the line.

 

[Coccxys]

And isn't it funny that Hamilton's line was nowhere near the actual apex of the corner? His speed would make taking the corner pretty hard to begin with, but then he wastes at least a car's width in space towards the apex by not turning in more? Either he didn't steer far enough inwards to squeeze Verstappen off or he was way too fast and couldn't drive more closely towards the center.
Pick your poison: "dirty driving" or "incompetent misjudgement".

I think it was a combination of going too fast to make the corner while being able to leave Max a cars width on the outside and him deliberately trying to run Max wide to get him to back down or be pushed off. That is a common driving technique if you're the car up the inside but not at a 180 mph corner! Hamilton knew full well the consequences of contact at that corner but didn't give a fuck.

was yet again a maneuver that forces the other driver to choose between precisely two alternatives: Back down or crash. I just hope there will be an appropriate amount of booing come the next races. I also wonder how Max will treat this kind of stuff in the future, he's not the kind of driver to shy away from an aggressive line himself, this could fan the flames and lead to another accident down the line.

Well I know one thing, replay that event again and Hamilton is being squeezed into the old pit wall. Max left him more than a cars width because he was racing fair. If Hamilton wants to play prison rules then no reason Max shouldn't give him the option of back the fuck off or tag the wall. Clearly if they're only giving billshit 10 second penalties for this stuff then you're better making sure your rival goes off, take the penalty then use the strength of the car to gain points over them than giving them the opportunity to take you out.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I think it was a combination of going too fast to make the corner while being able to leave Max a cars width on the outside and him deliberately trying to run Max wide to get him to back down or be pushed off. That is a common driving technique if you're the car up the inside but not at a 180 mph corner! Hamilton knew full well the consequences of contact at that corner but didn't give a fuck.



Well I know one thing, replay that event again and Hamilton is being squeezed into the old pit wall. Max left him more than a cars width because he was racing fair. If Hamilton wants to play prison rules then no reason Max shouldn't give him the option of back the fuck off or tag the wall. Clearly if they're only giving billshit 10 second penalties for this stuff then you're better making sure your rival goes off, take the penalty then use the strength of the car to gain points over them than giving them the opportunity to take you out.

I'm seeing *a lot* of comments saying Verstappen has repeatedly run Hamilton off the track this season. I can't remember a single fucking incident. Hamilton attempted a stupid overtake in a stupid manner with an attitude more akin to a divebombing kamikaze pilot. And his fans are still up their own ass about his innocence.
That's some impressive dindu stuff right there.

 

[New Fag]

Here's an interesting thought, Lewis currently has 4 penalty points and Max has zero. The max penalty points which can be given is 3 but causing a collision is normally 2. This means Lewis can crash Max out 3 more times and Max can punt Lewis 5 times without a race ban.

If these two decide to have a demolition derby will the FIA step in before they reach 12, what will be the fallout and will Lando become WDC?

Both getting the Jerez 97 final solution is possible the FIA can't be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Here's an interesting thought, Lewis currently has 4 penalty points and Max has zero. The max penalty points which can be given is 3 but causing a collision is normally 2. This means Lewis can crash Max out 3 more times and Max can punt Lewis 5 times without a race ban.

If these two decide to have a demolition derby will the FIA step in before they reach 12, what will be the fallout and will Lando become WDC?

Both getting the Jerez 97 final solution is possible the FIA can't be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving.

I think if they saw someone actually deliberately crash into someone else to win the title, and it was undisputably deliberate, they might go "full thermonuclear option" again, especially when there's a blatant disregard for the other driver's safety. Now, wouldn't that be a riot? Saint Lewis of Quickmoor being disqualified from this season and all his achievements this year annulled due to exceedingly dirty driving. Just imagine all his records over Schumacher being null and void in one go after he tries to deliberately crash Max. Damn, that would be hilarious. The salt would last a thousand years.

If such a thing happened before the season was over, I would assume that the FIA would ban the driver from participating for the rest of the season, too.

And never forget: revoking someone's F1 license is also on the menu.
Yuji Ide had his license revoked in his rookie year for causing a crash due to a lack of experience. I would not put it past FIA to revoke someone's license after causing a particularly bad crash deliberately.

 

[Balr0g]

Here's an interesting thought, Lewis currently has 4 penalty points and Max has zero. The max penalty points which can be given is 3 but causing a collision is normally 2. This means Lewis can crash Max out 3 more times and Max can punt Lewis 5 times without a race ban.

If these two decide to have a demolition derby will the FIA step in before they reach 12, what will be the fallout and will Lando become WDC?

Both getting the Jerez 97 final solution is possible the FIA can't be seen to be encouraging dangerous driving.

The question would be if Lewis gets any penalty points. I don't think he got any for this maneuver in silverstone (please correct me if I am wrong). I hope Max beats the shit out of Lewis in hungary and after that we will have a summer break. speaking of which the "slow pitstops" will not come in hungary but in Belgium. the reason: after Hungary is the summer break and this gives all teams time to prepare. But I am already anticpating the welcome Lewis will recieve in Belgium and the Netherlands. Usually a lot of Dutrch fans come to these races. Heck maybe Red Bull decides to bring back "the Torpedo" for some extra spice

 

[Coccxys]

I don't think he got any for this maneuver in silverstone (please correct me if I am wrong)

He got 2 for the Copse dive bomb.

But I am already anticpating the welcome Lewis will recieve in Belgium and the Netherlands.

You just know the boos will be discredited as "well I'm sure someone made a monkey sound so muh racism". Just like the criticism he's gotten over his bullshit at weekend. He got all the teams (including RedBull) and the FIA to all put out statements supporting him due to a couple of racist comments online effectively changing the topic from his horrific driving.

I have the feeling we would have got the "muh Lewis got racist abuse just like the penalty floppers" articles no matter what happened at the GP. It was planned weeks ahead of time by the media to push their "UK racist" narrative.

This means Lewis can crash Max out 3 more times and Max can punt Lewis 5 times without a race ban.

After Silverstone I wouldn't be suprised if we see a lot more contact between the two. Why would Max give him that much room up the inside again when he can drive him to the wall and force him to back the fuck off? Remember it's leave a car's width, if he closed the gap between the wall and his car to exactly 1 cars width then it would be suicidal to try to go into it at that speed with zero margin.

All in all though I'm sure we'll see the marshals and FIA being as ineffective as ever in punishing bullshit. The problem with these 5 and 10 second penalties is that while they are nice for punishing minor infractions they keep getting used in place of more severe penalties for the more major stuff.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

All in all though I'm sure we'll see the marshals and FIA being as ineffective as ever in punishing bullshit. The problem with these 5 and 10 second penalties is that while they are nice for punishing minor infractions they keep getting used in place of more severe penalties for the more major stuff.

I do think it's hard to really balance out this stuff and propperly define it. You really don't want this to suddenly turn into a crowbar that the teams throw at each other. Just imagine during the race before Silverstone and the many overtakes around the outside of the corner and the incidents there... Perez, for instance.

In this case, Lewis clearly caused a collision to hamper the guy who's beating his ass in the WDC, so while causing a collision in general gets a 10s penalty (independent of whether the other car was badly damaged or not), something like this should be under a lot more scrutiny. If this happens again and Lewis is at fault, FIA needs to get out the big guns, otherwise there's only one option for Verstappen: Run the moor into a barrier any time he approaches.

FIA could desiqualify Schumacher for an entire season, they clearly have enough liberties to tell Lewis to stop being a cunt in no uncertain terms.

Mercs in full damage control:

James Allison is some bigwhiz dude at Mercedes and when you have to say something as vapid as the above statement in order to shift blame away from your golden negro, you're really up shit creek without a paddle.

Really, just think it through, this basically admits that Hamilton was running Verstappen of the track intentionally, you fucking dunce.

Also:

 

[Coccxys]

There is no obligation to hit the apex but there is an obligation to give a car's widthwhen someone is alongside. Max left Hamilton more than a car's width up the inside, Hamilton's trajectory would not have left Max a cars width up the outside and he knew it.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

There is no obligation to hit the apex but there is an obligation to give a car's widthwhen someone is alongside. Max left Hamilton more than a car's width up the inside, Hamilton's trajectory would not have left Max a cars width up the outside and he knew it.

Unfortunately, there is an obligation not to punch another driver in the face...
With behaviour like that of Lewis, you can expect the sport to devolve into bumper cars.

I mean, just look at how violent the crash looked from the stands:

From that perspective, you can tell how fast he was and how little the car slowed down before striking the barrier. Just goes to show how insane this act by Lewbloo of Quickmoor was.

Also:

 

[Coccxys]

Expensive dive bomb. Especially during cost cap era. It's probably going to hurt max further in the season too as that's a full PU, ERS and KERS destroyed of which they're limited. I expect to see a grid penalty for Max changing these later in the season due to the loss of these.

Masi has told them to fuck off with the running to see the stewards too.

 

[Chad Holdenford]

And now I'm hearing a local motorsports YouTube channel saying how it is sacrilegious and racist to criticize Hamilton and how Verstappen should speak out against... people calling Hamilton racist names, instead of "complaining over simple racing incidents."
Apparently, Hamilton is the real victim of this whole British GP shitshow.

Fuck Hamilton, and fuck his stans. I'm tired of all this shitshow. EVERY single sport has to have this grandstanding.

 

[Coccxys]

And now I'm hearing a local motorsports YouTube channel saying how it is sacrilegious and racist to criticize Hamilton and how Verstappen should speak out against... people calling Hamilton racist names, instead of "complaining over simple racing incidents."
Apparently, Hamilton is the real victim of this whole British GP shitshow.

Fuck Hamilton, and fuck his stans. I'm tired of all this shitshow. EVERY single sport has to have this grandstanding.

Yup they very efficiently changed the narrative overnight by picking the one or two racist comments from the 1000s of perfectly legitimate criticism. They managed to get Red Bull to put out a statement defending Hamilton almost immediately skipping over the whole him just happening to take out the person who is challenging him for the WDC in an obviously moronic maneuver.

I still think the muh racism media pieces about Hamilton getting hate after the British GP was planned out before the 1st practice even began. They linked it heavily to the supposed racist comments the three chokers at the euros got. They're trying to paint a very clear narrative of the UK being this racist hellhole and I can guarantee we'll be getting pieces about some GB Olympic athlete getting racist comments shortly.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Hamilton caused the crash, Mercedes should foot the bill. It's the least that the team responsible for the crash can do.
Would be nice if there was also a clause for such a case that voids any penalties for changing PU/KERS/etc.

Frankly, if this is the game Mercedes wants to play, next time Max gets taken out by Hamilton, Yuki should go full Kamikaze in return when Hamilton laps him.
"Whoopsie daisy, looks like I totally shredded that mo-fo into a barrier. Yeah I'm gonna take my 10s penalty like a good boy, I hope Hamilton enjoys running out of PUs cause this shit ain't over yet."

I still think the muh racism media pieces about Hamilton getting hate after the British GP was planned out before the 1st practice even began. They linked it heavily to the supposed racist comments the three chokers at the euros got. They're trying to paint a very clear narrative of the UK being this racist hellhole and I can guarantee we'll be getting pieces about some GB Olympic athlete getting racist comments shortly.

It's going to be nothing compared to what we'll see after the Hungary GP...

 

[Weeb Slinger]

Red Bull lodges FIA request to review Silverstone F1 clash

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Red Bull have rightly asked for a review of the Hamilton / Verstappen collision.

Given that this incident may decide the drivers' championship, and given that it was the kind of optimistic maneuverer one expects from a rookie, I feel an appropriate penalty would be to allow Hamilton to keep the win, but to dock his points for the race. There should probably be some financial restitution from Mercedes to Red Bull, given the cost of rebuilding the car.

That's just my gut reaction. There may be solid reasons why everything I have just written is a bad idea.

 

[Coccxys]

Red Bull lodges FIA request to review Silverstone F1 clash

Archive: https://archive.md/7uRvV

Red Bull have rightly asked for a review of the Hamilton / Verstappen collision.

Given that this incident may decide the drivers' championship, and given that it was the kind of optimistic maneuverer one expects from a rookie, I feel an appropriate penalty would be to allow Hamilton to keep the win, but to dock his points for the race. There should probably be some financial restitution from Mercedes to Red Bull, given the cost of rebuilding the car.

That's just my gut reaction. There may be solid reasons why everything I have just written is a bad idea.

Yup, they've challenged it under the "significant and relevant new element" part of the appeals process. I bet they've done a fair amount of analysis on all the data since the race. I don't remember the last time a team challenged a penalty for something on track rather than technical.



The problem as I see it is the most they'll probably be willing to do is either some extra time onto his Silverstone time (mabe dropping him to 2nd at worst) or a grid penalty for Hungary (that will be undone by the 5th lap at worst due to the car). The only way this will be significant is if they can show an element of deliberatenes from Hamilton, then it will probably just be a few extra penalty points. I guess what I'm saying overall is Hamilton is still going to come out of this better having gained 25 points over Max due to winning after pitching him off.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I sort of wonder what kind of a shockwave would go through F1 if Red Bull is unhappy with the Stewards' ultimate decision and they just withdraw both RB and AT from F1 with immediate effect for being a clown-series full of idiots licking Mercedes boot.

Won't happen, that's for sure, but that would make F1 look really fucking bad, I'd wager. It's not like there's other racing series that RB could tear into.