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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 59 7.5%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 91 11.6%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 177 22.6%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 408 52.2%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.0%

  • Total voters
    782
Damiel left the house a few days in and Chris posted pictures of himself and Damiel together at a Casino before they just allowed him back into the house as if nothing happened and a few weeks before Fishtank Jet either had him on a stream or posted pictures on some social media (I want to say Instagram) of Damiel at the office they all work at. It was extremely clear he was a plant before the show even started.
 
The problem as I see it is they are looking at Fishtank in how much they can milk out of it. I get focusing on whales but you need to offer lower end stuff to also make money. Everything Sam does has a like 30% Sam hyde Tax so its always out of price of that lower end group.
That's how you keep the riffraff out. Only posh and independently wealthy NEETS are welcome at this rodeo. Only the highest quality viewers with the fine discernment to groom the retarded autistic Injun girl with no personality.
 
Damiel left the house a few days in and Chris posted pictures of himself and Damiel together at a Casino before they just allowed him back into the house as if nothing happened and a few weeks before Fishtank Jet either had him on a stream or posted pictures on some social media (I want to say Instagram) of Damiel at the office they all work at. It was extremely clear he was a plant before the show even started.
Like I was saying, it doesn't matter and even might be better if we all know who the plant is, as long as the contestants don't know and they keep a lid on TTSes giving it away. I don't think they were trying hard at all to keep Damiel a secret from anyone except the contestants, considering Damiel was actively posting in the live chat on his phone. The fact they only cared about keeping the contestants in the dark is why Damiel got pulled as soon as Jon called out that he recognized him from a photo with Sam Hyde (he claimed to have seen it before the show but he probably saw it on his phone).

The plant is just there to execute on gaslighting from inside the house. They should focus on that and not so much on having the plant be the one to start fights. If Jet comes up and says there's been a new Coronavirus and everyone has to wear masks and production will only be contacting them via intercom going forward, the plant has to be the guy to say "oh my God, I read about something like that on my phone just before I got here!" "I'm immunocompromised guys I'm so scared!" so that the lie is more immersive and harder to reject.

The only time I remember Damiel doing that well is just after Cowboy finished installing the "grass," Damiel jumped up and grabbed a football, and then everyone started playing on the "grass" because he started it. Otherwise they might've just layed on the ground for ages waiting for an explanation.
 
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Watching the doc and comparing it against the actual VOD, it's interesting that they completely edited out some of the less flattering aspects about certain contestants. If you watch the VOD, Josie and Letty are openly taking about guro and horse fucking straight off the bat, but there is not even a hint of it in the episode. Similarly, I'm wondering whether they are going to portray Jon as a lovable Bible-reading slow-in-the-mind or a Tate wannabe. We all know he was dropping manosphere redpills left and right by day 2, but whether any of it stays in is an entirely different question with so out of whack editing.
 
Who else is ready for Christmas in the tank
For me it's a terrible time for Fishtank fun.
...everyone still active on the Kiwifarms thread during the tor days (except Aidan) had gradually come to support Letty by day 33.
Josie earned it!
That's awesome though, she appreciates her supporters. She probably wouldn't mind this thread, all things considered.
Wait, Josie is latinx? I thought she was Chief Spinning Bull.
Half-n-half
If you watch the VOD, Josie and Letty are openly taking about guro and horse fucking straight off the bat, but there is not even a hint of it in the episode.
That's a classic live viewing highlight moment but in the grand scheme it's unremarkable. It sucks but unfortunately they're going to gloss over a lot of great moments like that, I just hope they do a good job with what they decide to focus on.


Quick update on Josie, she went to the Mondo Megabits party in NYC last week, people took a lot of pictures with her but they're not all that special. Seems like it was just another party, nothing crazy came out of it. A couple of Josie's fans attended Sunday night and hung out with her in New York City beforehand, helping her get video footage which will be used in a couple of shorts most likely. The first has been released and is embedded below.

It's mostly business as usual aside from that. She dropped a "cryptic" tweet like she used to do pre-Fishtank and deleted it the next day. Looking it up it's just her fangirling over a recent Waterparks song. The tweet did very well, though.
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In Friday's pre-stream chat she said this about the Waterparks singer, Awsten Knight. She'd suck his dick.
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Luke, her top paypig as of late, was last week's "Top Bloke" and this week's is Stinky Pete, a guy who draws gorey dino fan art.

 
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If they're really going all-craigslist next season I hope they learned their lesson from Damiel. Don't cast someone the cast can recognize. Discourage the plant from lying about his life so he doesn't fuck up the details. It's okay if the plant flaunts that he is a plant to the audience, but don't accidentally let the contestants see the plant with his phone like Damiel did.
I also really hope they do their due diligence in making sure none of the new contestants know who Sam Hyde is. It was pretty disappointing when it came to light that ~50% of the fish were familiar with him beforehand. It's way more fun if they're totally out of their element and have no idea what to expect.

Damiel left the house a few days in and Chris posted pictures of himself and Damiel together at a Casino before they just allowed him back into the house as if nothing happened and a few weeks before Fishtank Jet either had him on a stream or posted pictures on some social media (I want to say Instagram) of Damiel at the office they all work at. It was extremely clear he was a plant before the show even started.
And to this I would add that I hope they are far more stringent with the rules they choose to establish at the start. Once they started saying "fuck it" or "oh well, never mind" with key aspects of the premise, it devalues everything and there are no more stakes, making it less interesting.

I get they sometimes need to be flexible and pivot when needed, but hopefully they learned with S1 to have a backup plan, and then to have a backup plan to the backup plan, so they don't need to compromise the important structural elements of the show itself.
 
Such is the nature of hiring a "plant" that can't act through his xanax withdrawals and laid in bed for 2 weeks while lashing out at anything that upset his racked emotional state.
Damiels freakouts always came off to me as him desperately attempting to be interesting. Like you pointed out he spent 90% of the show sleeping and laying in bed like Mauro and he probably realized he was going to get called boring so he "flipped out" for the camera. In my opinion the only 100% genuine freakouts were Chris melting down at Letty, Jon locking himself in the upstairs bathroom and Sylvia being bullied by Frank to the point of snapping mentally.
 
Damiels freakouts always came off to me as him desperately attempting to be interesting. Like you pointed out he spent 90% of the show sleeping and laying in bed like Mauro and he probably realized he was going to get called boring so he "flipped out" for the camera. In my opinion the only 100% genuine freakouts were Chris melting down at Letty, Jon locking himself in the upstairs bathroom and Sylvia being bullied by Frank to the point of snapping mentally.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wRtyiLG-Pzo
Damiel's freak out targeted at Letty over those shoes seems authentic when you watch him freak out over his ex that @Punitive Castration posted a while back. He's a sensitive loser trying to put on a tough chigger facade.

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The moral of this post is that a 28-year-old man with no job, no hygiene, was paying $300/mo to live in a cinderblock apartment with floors so bad he had to wear slides and still regularly has his cards declined sat in a house for 20 days gassing himself up as The Guy Who Is Already Successful. The man who jumped up and down on his girlfriend's sunroof because she asked him why girls were texting him thinks a girl who peed on a car (with the owner's permission!) is gross. And she is gross. But have some self-awareness.
 
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Damiel's freak out targeted at Letty over those shoes seems authentic when you watch him freak out over his ex that @Punitive Castration posted a while back. He's a sensitive loser trying to put on a tough chigger facade.

Jump to this post for the footage
Definitely, he brought it up on Hong Kong 2 and essentially said that he may have not really been mad at Letty but he was taking out his genuine frustration on her.
My opinion: if he were this mad about anything and a woman was around him and there wasn't an audience of at least 7k looking at him (but an audience of 20-50 or a police officer would be ok) she would have gotten punched whether she caused the frustration or not.

none of the new contestants know who Sam Hyde is
I definitely agree but also don't. In my mind there's two equally good Fishtank concepts- Sam and Jet torturing captive randoms who have never heard of them, and the psychological marathon of terminally online alt-comedy fans trying against physics to be entertaining for 42 days. The former gets you good moments like Jon learning Pencak Silat and interrogating Kominos, the latter gets you moments like schizo Vance and Letty Hassle. Unfortunately they're completely incompatible with one another and can't run simultaneously without the MDE fans eating the randoms alive like they did in S1.
 
I definitely agree but also don't. In my mind there's two equally good Fishtank concepts- Sam and Jet torturing captive randoms who have never heard of them, and the psychological marathon of terminally online alt-comedy fans trying against physics to be entertaining for 42 days. The former gets you good moments like Jon learning Pencak Silat and interrogating Kominos, the latter gets you moments like schizo Vance and Letty Hassle. Unfortunately they're completely incompatible with one another and can't run simultaneously without the MDE fans eating the randoms alive like they did in S1.
I thought about this a good bit during Season 1 and I also think its a win-win scenario.
The only thing is that if they want to do a true normie-tank that window is possibly closing as they keep going with the project, Season 2 is the perfect time to set it up as the show is still relatively unknown and they can budget for a large prize pool this time.
 
I thought about this a good bit during Season 1 and I also think its a win-win scenario.
The only thing is that if they want to do a true normie-tank that window is possibly closing as they keep going with the project, Season 2 is the perfect time to set it up as the show is still relatively unknown and they can budget for a large prize pool this time.
Yeah that's a good point, now is the time if by some (don't rate me optimistic I would not bet on this) turn of fate they become very well known this season.

The other version of the show is good, too, though, if it becomes impossible to cast entirely marks I hope they don't forget that. There's something unique in bringing together a group of people who are normally isolated in real life- sit 4chan user next to 4chan user and get them slowly comfortable with talking in person the way they do online. Simon saying "he said all da words" was hilarious but it was also a good example of what made that dynamic between Sam and the contestants interesting.
 
I definitely agree but also don't. In my mind there's two equally good Fishtank concepts- Sam and Jet torturing captive randoms who have never heard of them, and the psychological marathon of terminally online alt-comedy fans trying against physics to be entertaining for 42 days.
I always thought the ideal Fishtank was similar to total drama island. Both equal in parts of torture and friend simulator with plenty of drama in between. Of course Fishtank is far “edgier” though. I feel there’s equal amounts of enjoyment to be had between the fish having to navigate competitions made to test one’s own will to carry on such as cage 2, and the fish enjoying themselves in competitions that are less about torture and more about the ridiculous nature of the competition. Some examples being the skit challenge and the gay pride play.

I really hope Sam plays into his Goldstriker persona more this next season. I find the idea of a previously famous entertainment trying to return to his glory day levels of fame through a dumb internet show really funny. The Goldstriker character knows all the loops and what people like when it comes to entertainment. When he was first introduced and sat all the fish around the couch basically yelling at them for their lack luster enthusiasm it was hilarious. Some fish thought he was being serious. Which is why it’s even more important to get people who don’t know who Sam Hyde is. It ruins the genuine reactions that might be had. The idea of a random person thinking “what the fuck have I signed up for” as Goldstriker rages over a simple misstep is too good to pass up.
 
I always thought the ideal Fishtank was similar to total drama island. Both equal in parts of torture and friend simulator with plenty of drama in between.
This is what I was hoping for, ultimately they went REALLY easy on the contestants the majority of the time. airsoftfatty did more to torture the opponents unscripted than the hosts or frank hassle. It's not just that though but it's how it seems they very poorly planned shit out, like they lost steam when it came to contests and challenges after a week and just started winging it. Jet should be happy he got so lucky with the success because it certainly wasn't due to his brilliant planning and quick thinking
 
I always thought the elimination challenge angle conflicted w the endurance test. Either kick people out for failing challenges or see who can stay the longest; both got confusing as we saw with the challenges barely mattering
 
I always thought the elimination challenge angle conflicted w the endurance test. Either kick people out for failing challenges or see who can stay the longest; both got confusing as we saw with the challenges barely mattering
The eliminations allowed them more structure to fill the 6 weeks. If it was purely a sanity endurance thing they may have been down to 1 person left two and a half weeks in. Then what? There isn't really a show after that.
 
I always thought the elimination challenge angle conflicted w the endurance test. Either kick people out for failing challenges or see who can stay the longest; both got confusing as we saw with the challenges barely mattering
I think it was deliberately confusing, the point was to send them off running towards a final point total at the end of a week of pretending to be disabled or pretending to be camping only to watch one person wipe out and run screaming before they ever need to be graded.
Problem is, Jon figured out he didn't have to leave if he wanted to stop, and Damiel was the one to break during camping instead of anyone else. Jet admitted that they might have kept extending the camping challenge until someone quit.
After that, I think they stopped trying to do eliminations that way.
 
And to this I would add that I hope they are far more stringent with the rules they choose to establish at the start. Once they started saying "fuck it" or "oh well, never mind" with key aspects of the premise, it devalues everything and there are no more stakes, making it less interesting.

I get they sometimes need to be flexible and pivot when needed, but hopefully they learned with S1 to have a backup plan, and then to have a backup plan to the backup plan, so they don't need to compromise the important structural elements of the show itself.
I am hopeful as well but given how the first season went and how quickly they dropped or disregarded not only key aspects but things they marketed the show as having I am less than optimistic. I really wasn't expecting Jet, the sharks, Ben, Tacxin, Chris and whoever else on the production team to be going in and out of the house so often and so frequently. I thought Sam and a few members of production might've been going in to the house every other day/every couple of days MAX, not in and out several times a day. That's why I've said that it really felt like Jet was trying to place himself more so in the spotlight than the actual contestants, sometimes he'd go in there just to talk to the fish and more often than not just felt like he didn't need to be in the house.
Thinking about it now it seems kinda counter-intuitive to have the show be some sort of isolated Big Brother type situation AND have a production team coming and going several times a day so that you can film recorded segments for the sake of making a show to sell your season passes or whatever. Maybe if the recording guaranteed they caught more of the interesting parts but watching the edited show it really feels like they missed 75% or more of the more entertaining moments caught on the live feeds.
Damiels freakouts always came off to me as him desperately attempting to be interesting.
Yep, agreed. I don't know if they massively overestimated how entertaining or funny Damiel was going to be or if Jet and the wiggers ever even considered that at all. Meanwhile they found Jon on a Craiglist ad and he provided some of the most entertaining moments just by merit of him being pretty fucking retarded for lack of better words. I don't want to say Jon was the only reason to watch or that he made the show or anything but Jet and Sam lucked out majorly with Jon and he definitely made those initial weeks fairly entertaining and interacted well with most of the other contestants
 
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