First "Liberal" Mosque Opens in Berlin - bans niqab/burka/segregation, allows gays.

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https://www.rt.com/news/392558-german-mosque-bans-burqas/

Germany's first “liberal mosque” has opened inside a Protestant church in Berlin. Niqabs and burkas will be banned from the place of worship, with its organizer saying they are a “political statement” and “have nothing to do with religion.”
“Fundamentally, the mosque’s door is open for everyone, with one exception: No one will come in with a niqab or burka,” organizer Seyran Ates, who moved to Germany from Turkey when she was six years old, told Spiegel Online.

Banning the headwear often worn by females in the Muslim community isn't the only modern-day twist being brought to the Ibn Ruschd-Goethe mosque, which is named after Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd (Averroes) and iconic German author Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, according to the Berliner Morgenpost.

According to Ates, men and women will also be allowed to pray and preach together, rather than separately. Members of the LGBT community will also be welcomed.

Sunni and Shiite Muslims are also encouraged to pray together at the mosque.

“Our goal is to offer a place to worship to all people that do not feel at home in the existing mosques, to women that seek equal rights [with men], to homosexuals and primarily to all separate [Muslim] denominations: Alawites, Sunnis and Schias,” Ates told Ruptly.

Ates, a feminist, peace activist and lawyer, said she felt it was "ultimately irresponsible" for a progressive Muslim woman like herself to simply complain about conservative Islamic organizations, rather than start her own mosque.

She said she was inspired to launch the mosque after speaking to Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, who once told her that liberal Muslims should band together.

“I worked on this idea for eight years and finally found supporters,” she told Ruptly, adding that she believes that all those people who came to her aid did it because they “were fed up” with conservative Islam and had “courage to express their true thoughts despite all the threats.”

Ates is renting space for the mosque from the Protestant St. Johannes Church. However, she previously told DPA that she hopes the mosque will one day have its own building.

She said she aims to reach "those who have not felt at home in any mosque in Berlin," who want to live a "modern, peaceful, liberal, and tolerant faith" and "do not want any politically divisive sermons."

READ MORE: ‘We do not wear burqa:’ Germany’s interior minister favors introduction of ‘dominant’ culture

She also hopes she can reach more conservative Muslims, noting that this is only achieved "through setting an example, open doors, in a space where every question can be asked."

“Here we do not tell anyone what a good Muslim is, and what a bad one is.”

The first day of prayer will see Ates preach in German, with her words translated into Turkish and Arabic.

However, Ates said the path to opening the mosque hasn't been entirely smooth, and that she has received some "very violent and obscene" threats which prompted her to request police protection at the mosque's Friday opening.

Ates admitted she was afraid for her security, but her primary concern was the security of the congregation. “I can take care of myself and say, ‘It is my life,’ however, I am afraid that something happens to the others,” she told Ruptly, adding that she must “protect her people.”

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this is going to get truck of peace'd so hard.
 
If the German intelligence agencies were smart, they'd set up intense surveillance around the area.

Sadly, the BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst/Federal Intelligence Service) and the Verfassungsschutz (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) are well known for knowing actual terrorists and letting them go.

Anis Amri, who drove a truck into a crowd in Berlin in December 2016, has been known since 2014 for his Islamistic worldview - even Italy, Switzerland and France warned the German authorities.

Mohammed Daleel, who bombed a tavern in Ansbach in July 2016, has been reported by his fellow refugees but the Verfassungsschutz refused to take any action.

In April 2006 two islamistic teens attacked a Sikh temple in Essen. Both boys were already known to the Verfassungsschutz.

The perpetrator (known as "Riaz Khan Ahmadzai") of the Würzburg train attack in July 2016 has been reported by fellow refugees for being "somewhat odd". He claimed to be an Afghani, speaking Pashto, but his documents were of Pakistani origins - the responsible authorities didn't checked it.

The most Germans don't trust the intelligence services anymore.

there are many Muslims who support such acts of violence but are unwilling to personally carry them out for a variety of reasons

A sad truth. The boys from Essen and "Riaz Khan Ahmadzai" were recruited, because adult members of IS weren't willing to put their families at risk.

One of my family members is a social worker and is working with young refugees. He often experienced how adult Islamists tried to prey on the young and weak ones. Of course, the most refugees tell them to fuck of, but there's always someone who's willing to listen.

"Die Zeit", a German newspaper, reported that Berlin's bureau of investigation doesn't see any current threats for Ateş' mosque. Well, we'll see... I'm rather sceptical. (:_(
 
An actual good idea that might help drag Islam into the 21st century?

I can't wait for the inevitable knife attacks on these filthy apostates for DARING to question the wisdom of a 1300 year old book written in the desert.
 
And to think if this "walking on eggshells" approach to dealing with Islam was applied when the US went against Japan in WWII, I don't think America would have came out the victor. I'm reminded of this monologue from Cary Grant in the movie, Destination Tokyo, which if you change some wording could apply to Islamic terrorists.

Mike was with me on my first patrol. He was my friend. I know his family. His wife's a fine, great-hearted woman. I know his kids. I remember Mike's pride when he bought the first pair of roller skates for his boy. They were the finest roller skates that money could buy. Roller skates for a 5-year-old. Well, that Jap got a present too, when he was 5. Only it was a dagger. His old man gave him a dagger, so he'd know what he was supposed to be. The Japs have a ceremony that goes with it. At 7, a Jap kid is taking marches under an army instructor. At 13, he can put a machine gun together blindfolded. As I see it, that Jap started on the road 20 years ago to putting a knife in Mike's back. There are lots of Mikes dying right now. And a lot more Mikes will die...until we wipe out a system that puts daggers in the hands of 5-year-old children.
 
This is absolutely haram, but I'm glad "moderate"/"liberal" Muslims are actually trying to reform their religious practices in a concrete way.
No, this is:
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The bright side is at least when they attack the mosque they'll kill other muslims. So yay fewer muslims.

Not to burst your bubbles but this tumblrite "mosque" is not a mosque and they aren't muslims cause islam couldn't, wouldn't and "shouldn't" be reformed. Eliminating islam is a better idea.
 
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What a surprise! The religious authorities of Turkey and Egypt are mad at Ateş' mosque (sorry, it's German).

Turkey is convinced the liberal mosque is Gülen's ruse to alter Islam. Egypt called Ateş' notion of Islam as "extremistic", because - I shit you not - women don't have to wear a headscarf and are allowed to pray next to men, who can be Sunni, Shia or Alevi. Yes, tolerance is haram. Who would have thought?
 
Egypt called Ateş' notion of Islam as "extremistic",

C'mon, you can't leave out this nugget: the Egyptian Ministry of Fatwa did it.

I'm so sorry for that women and her congregation because all this is seriously uplifting news in these bleak times. I'm rooting for the whole thing and will be genuinely sad when the inevitable happens.

Until then please keep in mind that Berlin has been the meltingest of the melting pots for 60 years, full of diversity shenanigans before they became super hip around 2014, so if it doesn't work here, it will nowhere else.
 
lol tbf is kinda is

Overall though this mosque is a step in the right direction and exactly the kind of thing the Islam community needs to do to fix their religion. It's all well and good to cry about #NotAllMuslims whenever some savage blows up a bridge but to actually put your money where your mouth is like this is a good thing.
 
Overall though this mosque is a step in the right direction and exactly the kind of thing the Islam community needs to do to fix their religion. It's all well and good to cry about #NotAllMuslims whenever some savage blows up a bridge but to actually put your money where your mouth is like this is a good thing.
I'm thinking more about what's lead to enclaves of these barbaric pedos to exist in Western society at all. These people should have been rooted out years ago, but now European courts let rapists off despite indeed believing the victim was raped, it was apart of the rapists culture so tough shit. That simultaneously allows for people like this to exist, who cry out in pain as they strike at you:

This is the what we reap when we tolerate what's intolerant to western civilization.
 
Overall though this mosque is a step in the right direction and exactly the kind of thing the Islam community needs to do to fix their religion.

Martin Luther had some similar thoughts and then every river in Germany ran red with blood and the smoke of burning children blocked out the sun for thirty fucking years.
 
Martin Luther had some similar thoughts and then every river in Germany ran red with blood and the smoke of burning children blocked out the sun for thirty fucking years.

Every one sane is agreed that protestantism was wrong but Germany made this mistake twice so now they have to deal with it.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberal...oethe-seyran-ates-death-threats-turkey-egypt/

Surprising no one, she's getting death threats.

BERLIN -- The opening of a new mosque this month in Berlin further strained already-tense relations between Germany and Turkey, and has caused outrage in various corners of the Muslim world -- even prompting religious authorities in Egypt to issue a decree condemning the mosque as un-Islamic.

But despite recieving hundreds of death threats, the mosque's founder, Seyran Ateş, says she'll continue to fight for her cause.

That cause, and the principle behind the Ibn-Rushd-Goethe mosque, is that Muslims from all of the religion's many sects are welcome to worship. Named after medieval Islamic scholar Ibn Rushd and German writer Johann Wolfgang Goethe, the mosque holds prayers every Friday in space rented inside a Lutheran church.
 
So, the person running this mosque will be killed by fundamentalists, it will close down, social media will overflow with "moderate muslims" cheering and soon noone will ever speak of it again, just like the Muhammad caricatures.
 
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