First "Liberal" Mosque Opens in Berlin - bans niqab/burka/segregation, allows gays.

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https://www.rt.com/news/392558-german-mosque-bans-burqas/

Germany's first “liberal mosque” has opened inside a Protestant church in Berlin. Niqabs and burkas will be banned from the place of worship, with its organizer saying they are a “political statement” and “have nothing to do with religion.”
“Fundamentally, the mosque’s door is open for everyone, with one exception: No one will come in with a niqab or burka,” organizer Seyran Ates, who moved to Germany from Turkey when she was six years old, told Spiegel Online.

Banning the headwear often worn by females in the Muslim community isn't the only modern-day twist being brought to the Ibn Ruschd-Goethe mosque, which is named after Islamic philosopher Ibn Rushd (Averroes) and iconic German author Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, according to the Berliner Morgenpost.

According to Ates, men and women will also be allowed to pray and preach together, rather than separately. Members of the LGBT community will also be welcomed.

Sunni and Shiite Muslims are also encouraged to pray together at the mosque.

“Our goal is to offer a place to worship to all people that do not feel at home in the existing mosques, to women that seek equal rights [with men], to homosexuals and primarily to all separate [Muslim] denominations: Alawites, Sunnis and Schias,” Ates told Ruptly.

Ates, a feminist, peace activist and lawyer, said she felt it was "ultimately irresponsible" for a progressive Muslim woman like herself to simply complain about conservative Islamic organizations, rather than start her own mosque.

She said she was inspired to launch the mosque after speaking to Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble, who once told her that liberal Muslims should band together.

“I worked on this idea for eight years and finally found supporters,” she told Ruptly, adding that she believes that all those people who came to her aid did it because they “were fed up” with conservative Islam and had “courage to express their true thoughts despite all the threats.”

Ates is renting space for the mosque from the Protestant St. Johannes Church. However, she previously told DPA that she hopes the mosque will one day have its own building.

She said she aims to reach "those who have not felt at home in any mosque in Berlin," who want to live a "modern, peaceful, liberal, and tolerant faith" and "do not want any politically divisive sermons."

READ MORE: ‘We do not wear burqa:’ Germany’s interior minister favors introduction of ‘dominant’ culture

She also hopes she can reach more conservative Muslims, noting that this is only achieved "through setting an example, open doors, in a space where every question can be asked."

“Here we do not tell anyone what a good Muslim is, and what a bad one is.”

The first day of prayer will see Ates preach in German, with her words translated into Turkish and Arabic.

However, Ates said the path to opening the mosque hasn't been entirely smooth, and that she has received some "very violent and obscene" threats which prompted her to request police protection at the mosque's Friday opening.

Ates admitted she was afraid for her security, but her primary concern was the security of the congregation. “I can take care of myself and say, ‘It is my life,’ however, I am afraid that something happens to the others,” she told Ruptly, adding that she must “protect her people.”

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this is going to get truck of peace'd so hard.
 
Bullshit. What you say is definitely true about the crazy elements. They're not going away.

But just pretending every single person who claims to be a Muslim is automatically an insane murderer is equally insane.

Do you actually think deliberately increasingly marginalizing the parts of the community that are trying to integrate into the community is going to make things better? Why do you think that? How do you think that works?

Sorry, I was being sarcastic (very poorly apparently). I agree with you entirely. Short-sighted reaction isn't going to solve anything and is highly irrational. This women, and her Mosque, should be defended and promoted even if you don't like Islam or religion. Because you can't just get rid of all Muslims, or all Mosques, and you aren't going to. It's not going to happen. So you have to be rational and make sure the best ones are the most visible so gradually change can be brought to the community over time.
 
I still view it as nearly inevitable that this mosque will be attacked by terrorists and then stupid fucks will defend the attack for a variety of incomprehensible, insane reasons, and then it will have to shut down.
 
I dunno, if the extremists try to truck of peace this Mosque it might just be the thing to get European governments to finally put the foot down on them. Rate me optimistic but I feel like them going after other oppressed brown Muslims, especially ones who are cool with lgbtq people, isn't going to be tolerated nearly as well as them going after whitey.
Either they attack it and piss everyone off or they do nothing and allow it to spread. It's a catch-22.
 
I still view it as nearly inevitable that this mosque will be attacked by terrorists and then stupid fucks will defend the attack for a variety of incomprehensible, insane reasons, and then it will have to shut down.

Think on the good side, we'll have lots of content for our Islamophiles thread.
 
I still view it as nearly inevitable that this mosque will be attacked by terrorists and then stupid fucks will defend the attack for a variety of incomprehensible, insane reasons, and then it will have to shut down.

The foundress of the mosque, Seyran Ateş, survived an assassination attempt led by the Grey Wolves in 1984. In 2006 she was assaulted by other ultraconservative muslims for representing women against their violent husbands.

I deeply respect her, but sadly the mosque will definitely expect hard times...
 
Based on past events here's my prediction of how things are going to play out.

1- Sometime in the next few months the mosque is going to be snackbared.
2- Lots of innocent people most of them women and children will be murdered.
3- Despite the perpetrator having a name like Muhammad Ali Al Shabab Muhammad Muhammad media in the U.S and in Europe will blame white supremacy and Trump for the attack.
4- CNN will show a George Zimmerman style photo of the suspect with the contrast turned up so high he looks like an albino.
5- Nothing will happen and more innocent people will continue to die because our society is rotting and preserving the narrative is more important than protecting the vulnerable.
 
The death toll needs to be more inclusive, I guess?
 
3- Despite the perpetrator having a name like Muhammad Ali Al Shabab Muhammad Muhammad media in the U.S and in Europe will blame white supremacy and Trump for the attack.
I think there was a post somewhere on the internet suggesting that white people can "project" their racism through a PoC's heinous act. Someone in this forum joked about it as a "superpower".
 
I think there was a post somewhere on the internet suggesting that white people can "project" their racism through a PoC's heinous act. Someone in this forum joked about it as a "superpower".

I can do that? Now that is the best power ever!
 
Since it was a woman who did this they will probably skip the truck and go for the acid of peace :/
 
This is absolutely haram, but I'm glad "moderate"/"liberal" Muslims are actually trying to reform their religious practices in a concrete way.
 
The foundress of the mosque, Seyran Ateş, survived an assassination attempt led by the Grey Wolves in 1984. In 2006 she was assaulted by other ultraconservative muslims for representing women against their violent husbands.

I deeply respect her, but sadly the mosque will definitely expect hard times...
Here's an interview with her from over ten years ago where she correctly described the trajectory the west was on the lead us to this day. She ran away from her abusive family, and survive bring shot in the neck by two Turkish men who broke into the women's shelter she was staying it.

Toward the beginning she describes something I witnessed in the wild. I used to debate the Muslim kids in my class about islam, me and my friends were mortified to find out they were arranged to be married. I remember one girl in particular was painfully indecisive whenever it came to discussion about life choices. When pressed she said he father would choose for her. I remember asking her doesn't she want to make her own decisions? She said something like that wasn't the best thing for her to do. And keep in mind she wasn't actually asked to make a decision but engage in a theoretical conversation about one.

It just dawned on me, after reading this, she literally didn't know how to make decisions. I just thought she was indecisive.

Muslim Activist Critical of 'Multicultural Mistake'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17847605
 
This is absolutely haram, but I'm glad "moderate"/"liberal" Muslims are actually trying to reform their religious practices in a concrete way.

For every one Muslim like this there are ten who think this is disgusting. And they call themselves "moderates" as well.
 
I'd give it maybe a month before some peaceful incident occurs.
 
While it's sad that just "police please help us because savages our raping our children" constitutes "liberal" in Islam, it's absolutely ridiculous not to reach out to these communities and try to bring them in to civilization.

If every single Muslim were a bomb-throwing maniac, like many of you seem to think, terrorist events wouldn't be a weekly or a monthly thing. They would be an hourly thing, and every single city in the world would be on fire at all times.

How hard is this to understand?

You are, of course, not wrong where actual action is concerned. But you are omitting the fact that for every Muslim actually willing to personally carry out acts of violence in the name of Islam, there are many Muslims who support such acts of violence but are unwilling to personally carry them out for a variety of reasons (e.g. they have a families to support so they don't want to be killed or imprisoned).

There is much poll data on Muslim attitudes towards terrorism and violence, and they are not encouraging.
 
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