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Welcome to day 2 of the democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:

Joe Biden, former vice president, establishment choice and likes to sniff women


Andrew Yang, entrepreneur and reddit incarnate


Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont


Marianne Williamson, self-help author and totally wacko


Pete Buttigieg, homo mayor of South Bend, Ind.


Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado


Kamala Harris, senator from California


John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado and watched "Deep Throat" with his mom in theaters when he was 20yo


Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York and #MeToo internet activist


Eric Swalwell, representative from California


Bernie prestream: https://live.berniesanders.com/
NBC livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8
Backup stream:

A new poll will be posted after the debates are done (without Trump this time for clarification), polling result from the first night:


Thanks to @Top Skink for getting the party started

 

[Ashy the Angel]

Fun fact- a shitload of places discriminate against blacks. It's a sad fact, no matter how non-racist you are, that when apartment complexes take on a lot of black tenants- it goes to absolute shit and white people book it, bringing the value down. Blame it on black behavior or blame it on white racism, doesn't change the end result.

Your honor, my client did in fact murder the victim but DID YOU KNOW other people have also committed murders? I rest my case.

 

[CamelCursive]

Your honor, my client did in fact murder the victim but DID YOU KNOW other people have also committed murders? I rest my case.

How about this:

"Provide actual evidence for this act that has been a crime since the 1960's, or just admit you're jumping to conclusions. You were doing better with the Russian Pee Hooker story, at least that was amusing."

 

[The Pink Panther]

Your honor, my client did in fact murder the victim but DID YOU KNOW other people have also committed murders? I rest my case.

Do we even have to reinforce that despite being 13% of the population...

And yes, we know others commit crimes. We're talking majorities here.

 

[Absolutego]

You mean "taken care of by other taxpayers", because the last I checked- the country isn't generating revenue by sitting there, it's taking the money of citizens via taxes, and using that. So, let's be clear in what you're asking- you want other people to use their hard-earned money to take care of you.

Also, you do realize that no one is ever denied life-saving medical care, right? That the country is littered with free clinics, right?

Also, doctors have to work for a living. You are not entitled to their labor for free. You complain that we are one of the few countries without "free" health care, so what baffles me is why you haven't moved to one of them. They sell plane tickets every fucking day. I can assist you if you like.



Someone with gender dysphoria undergoing hormone treatment is the last person I want with a loaded weapon next to me in a combat situation. Also, while I'm sure "rape" is how your ilk actually breed, proper humans look down on it- so please understand that "transgender ban" in the military is what kept a guy like me from bunking and showering with someone's 18 year old daughter. Oh, that- and the fact that if I had identified as female, my physical fitness score would have been absurdly high.

The military is no place for the mentally ill. It is not your social experiment.





Just saying "prison reform" doesn't mean anything, you dumb faggot. Explain what you mean. Otherwise you're just using words you heard on television.



Most people want this as well.



Fuck around and find out, faggot. We already have gun control. Explicitly explain which controls you would like to implement and tell me how much you're willing to die to see it happen.



You mean like... enforcing the laws at the border? Congratulations, you wish has been granted.



They have the same rights as any other human being. You are asking for special treatment. No.



Stealing. That's what you mean, stealing. "Gibsmedat"

Not your money, so no. Get a job, subhuman.



You mean "making other people pay for it". I'll humor you- maybe college, but only if it is for a genuine marketable skill and if you do not utlize your education for a career path in 5 years- you must pay it all back to the taxpayers.



I'd like fewer people in this country that are worried about what some Eurofaggot that can't even defend his preteen daughter from rapists or carry a pocketknife, or Curry-Slurping Street-Shitter thinks of the country that literally all of these fuckers seem to be lining up to get into.

Dude you're talking to a furry socialist (who is probably underage given his general writing style, and the fact that the first post of his I saw here was about how his political beliefs come from the fact that he's too into "degenerate and subversive art" to be a right-winger), not every poster is worth bullet-point arguing with when it's extremely likely he just gets off to the neg rates.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

I'm sure they'll rig all the MSM polls to be shilling for Fauxcohontas

Some of that will happen as well, but she really does have a pretty rabid and intense fanbase that is active on the internet, places like Twitter and Reddit for instance. That Reddit result where she got over 3000 more votes as the winner than anybody else, that's legit. That's her online fanbase promoting her, not some astroturfed thing or Reddit rigging, I believe.

 

[The Last Stand]

Fun fact- a shitload of places discriminate against blacks. It's a sad fact, no matter how non-racist you are, that when apartment complexes take on a lot of black tenants- it goes to absolute shit and white people book it, bringing the value down. Blame it on black behavior or blame it on white racism, doesn't change the end result.

Black people are automatically classified as dirty? So as long as it doesn't affect you, you wouldn't care about the end result. The average black person may have to deal with BOTH of what you pointed out. Racism and self hatred.

I'll accept your condemnation of Trump when you outright demand that more than a few of our Universities need to be completely purged of administrators who do the same. Not to mention Hollywood, etc.

Who is to say I don't? You have the boomers that classify any and all criticism of Trump with classic insults as "libtard" and "sheep", and the rich that want to pander and demand change while doing nothing themselves. IMO, Trump created a catalyst that caused what could have been a bi-partisian government and made the exceptionalism spew while he sits back and feeds both of them.

If he's responsible for that behavior, then let's go ahead and accept the fact that the left wing is not capable of controlling their behavior and are therefore a lesser tier of person- and therefore should not enjoy the same rights and freedoms as those who can tolerate an elected official they dislike without going ape-shit.

Whataboutism is really common when debating about left wing versus right wing fanatics. They ruin it for the sane people that may actually have something to say.

 

[CamelCursive]

I always thought it was because transgender people need ready access to hormones, something the US military cannot guarantee in an active warzone.

same reason they dont let diabetics sign up.

It's not just one reason. It's a lot of them.

So you're a man, you're in the military. And at our rank, we are 'competing' for a promotion. They evaluate us on our performance, and lot of this comes down to quantifiable scores.

Well, I'm just gonna show up to work tomorrow with my girlfriend's bra stuffed with some tube socks, and declare that I'm now a woman.

Because I'm now a woman, my physical fitness score is graded as if I had a woman's physical capabilities. And fuck you, because I just went from having an 'pretty decent' score like yours, to the highest one in our Battalion.

Oh, and if I get passed on promotion, as a tranny- I'm going to cry discrimination and there's going to be all kinds of inquiries and investigations and our commander doesn't want that.

I am now getting promoted and I am your superior, deal with it.

OK I changed my mind, I'm a man again and I literally just had to look like a faggot for a couple of days to get more pay, more rank, and more recognition than you.

 

[OttoWest]

The transgender military rights thing to ban troons from the military is a mental health policy, due to the fact that the troons suffer from gender dysphoria, a mental illness. Already suffering from mental illness when being inducted into the military is not a healthy thing to do in a high-pressure environment like the military. It's really just a mercy save rather than everything else, so that won't end up suffering from PTSD plus Gender Dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria is most decidedly not classified as a mental illness. That was the whole point of the DSM-V ditching the previous diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder (which was classed as a mental illness) for gender dysphoria. The goal of the lobbyists was to change a psychological condition into a medical one.

The irony of course is that now that gd has been medicalized, it’s being treated the way other medical conditions are by the military, like diabetes and epilepsy: as in you are 100% denied the ability to serve.

 

[Anonymous For This]

NBC commentator talking about how women will make the difference in 2020, and have "in 2018, and 2016, and... in all the elections before that".

This should be a very informative debate.

Trump did grab them by the pussy after all.

 

[CamelCursive]

Black people are automatically classified as dirty? So as long as it doesn't affect you, you wouldn't care about the end result. The average black person may have to deal with BOTH of what you pointed out. Racism and self hatred.

Blackass, I have watched one of my dearest friends get degraded by her own family for 'acting white' because she did shit like 'pay off her bills on time' and 'put in overtime to get more money' and 'speak clearly'- that black on black hate is probably worse than some Klukker out screaming how much he hates negroes.

Like I said, I don't know if it's 'black behavior' or 'white racists' that makes the Saltines pack up and move out, maybe it's both, maybe it depends on where it is, maybe it's that and more- I don't fucking know, I just see the end result.

Whataboutism is really common when debating about left wing versus right wing fanatics. They ruin it for the sane people that may actually have something to say.

You call it 'whataboutism', I refer it as "Pot calling the kettle 'blackass'."

And that was a perfect opportunity to use that, too.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

I need to watch the first hour, but so far my picks are Ryan and Tulsi. They don't seem insane, so obviously the MSM isn't going to cover them.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Some random polls from Drudge Report and /r/politics, take it with a huge grain of salt
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Did we see the same debate? I barely saw her.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Read through this shit show, muh black friends and the fauxhicans. I'm not getting anything out of this other than "I'm going Trump", because even his shit talking on Twitter, those odds and ends with comical typo blowouts and confrontational phrasing, is more coherent and productive than anything that came out of this or the past almost three years with the blue-hoo party.

Congrats, Democrats, you broken the particulate remains of a broken record beyond a singularity.

 

[CamelCursive]

Dude you're talking to a furry socialist (who is probably underage given his general writing style, and the fact that the first post of his I saw here was about how his political beliefs come from the fact that he's too into "degenerate and subversive art" to be a right-winger), not every poster is worth bullet-point arguing with when it's extremely likely he just gets off to the neg rates.

I am aware. There was a reason I used the word "subhuman".

Calling him 'faggot' was a bit extreme, I do feel bad for that. I'm sure there's some Shit-Lipped Faggot with a mouthful of yellowed AIDs-cum that doesn't deserved to be lumped into the same category as him.

 

[The Last Stand]

Blackass, I have watched one of my dearest friends get degraded by her own family for 'acting white' because she did shit like 'pay off her bills on time' and 'put in overtime to get more money' and 'speak clearly'- that black on black hate is probably worse than some Klukker out screaming how much he hates negroes.

You don't know me, so I'm guessing you don't think I've been through that before? Racism is terrible, whether from one race to another or the same race dehumanizing you. As I said, some black people may deal with racism from other blacks and other races.

I'm frankly sick of seeing "What about them?" Or "they did this, but worse." If people want to be taken seriously, they would address both sides of the coin, instead of playing victim when it's them being called out for something.

 

[It's HK-47]

Who is to say I don't? You have the boomers that classify any and all criticism of Trump with classic insults as "libtard" and "sheep", and the rich that want to pander and demand change while doing nothing themselves. IMO, Trump created a catalyst that caused what could have been a bi-partisian government and made the exceptionalism spew while he sits back and feeds both of them.

The only way to repair the insanity is to make the average voter suffer the effects. We became far too deeply-divided a long time ago to repair this by conventional means, and if there's one thing that the Democratic party has proven over the last three years, it's that they have absolutely no intention of bridging the gap and just calming down. The culture war is back in full swing now, and the only way to put an end to it is to make the average American painfully aware of the problems that political activists on both sides are causing, otherwise there's no way to get these extremists from either side shoved out of office.

Most of the Republican hard-liners have either been axed or converted now (or died from cancer), just look at the "Paul Ryan" wing of the Republican party and any of the Never Trump members of the government: They're gone. They either retired due to how powerless they became or they were hacked out during the 2018 elections when the Democrats took the House because Trump really didn't campaign all that hard for it, not compared to the Senate. The Democrats have done nothing but shown their ass to the general public since that election and proven that when given power, these activists accomplish absolutely nothing useful. They can't campaign on, "If we had the power we'd fix it!" anymore because all they've done is scream impeachment since they took office.

In a way it's similar to the concept of allowing "female" athletes to compete in women's sports. The general public never really saw it as much of a problem because the overall consensus is that it really wouldn't matter, but now it's becoming more and more obvious that by allowing men to compete in women's sports, it all but ensures that female athletes have no reason to compete because they literally cannot win. People had to see just how damaging it really was before they became interested in putting a stop to it.

Donald Trump never could have gotten concessions and cooperation from the Democratic party, he came into office with every last one of them trying to behead his presidency and get him thrown out on his ass. Trying to appease the unappeasable would have been a completely useless waste of time, so you're better off driving them insane so that everyone can see what's going on behind their masks. The only way to beat that insanity is to let everyone decide that they've had about enough of that shit.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Dude you're talking to a furry socialist (who is probably underage given his general writing style, and the fact that the first post of his I saw here was about how his political beliefs come from the fact that he's too into "degenerate and subversive art" to be a right-winger), not every poster is worth bullet-point arguing with when it's extremely likely he just gets off to the neg rates.

To expand on this:

With all that he's said about himself (that he's a anarcho-socialist-communist furry) at this point, it should be obvious that @Ashy the Angel is either a troll or an attention whore of lesser quality than even @Colonel J.

Don't respond to him, if you can. And if you must respond to him, then I suggest that you do so only once, preferably with a snide quip or remark.

 

[CamelCursive]

You don't know me, so I'm guessing you don't think I've been through that before? Racism is terrible, whether from one race to another or the same race dehumanizing you. As I said, some black people may deal with racism from other blacks and other races.

Moon Cricket, I know what you're saying. I get to watch 'bergs and 'steins that claim to be white (and are actually pretty fucking white) go up and talk about how we all need to be exterminated and punished and all that shit. Find me the most extremely hateful blackass, and I bet you there's a smug-lipped white faggot equivalent of Uncle Ruckus nearby. "Uncle Cuckus" I'll call them from now on.

Racism is only worth a shit when it's done for laughs. And then it's rare to find people who aren't pussies who wanna get in on the shit and throw it back at you. Carlos Mencia might have stolen jokes like black people steal Jordans after a hurricane, but he was right about "friends fuck with each other like that". I think the point we get past racism is where we can actually make fun of other races and laugh about it.

I'm frankly sick of seeing "What about them?" Or "they did this, but worse." If people want to be taken seriously, they would address both sides of the coin, instead of playing victim when it's them being called out for something.

That's just it, though. Asking someone to admit the flaw with 'their thing' while ignoring the flaws with your own is hipocrisy. I'd be more than willing to say "yeah, he done that it was fucked" because it actually was fucked, if it was legitimate. But, some of this shit is based on very, very sketchy sources and circumstance.

I mean, you can sit there and tell me I got a bent dick all you want. And I'll admit it's bent, but if you try to make a scene about it I'm gonna call you out on your breath smelling like my bent dick for sure.

 

[Ashy the Angel]

ou mean "taken care of by other taxpayers", because the last I checked- the country isn't generating revenue by sitting there, it's taking the money of citizens via taxes, and using that. So, let's be clear in what you're asking- you want other people to use their hard-earned money to take care of you.

Taxpayer money is used for the military. Its used for the police and firefighters as well. In arguing for it to not be used for healthcare you're saying all these other things shouldn't be taxpayer funded as well. I don't want taxpayer money to take care of me. I want it to take care of everyone. Singlepayer means even your dumbass would have access to it. I'd be perfectly fine diverting money from the military to do this.

Also, you do realize that no one is ever denied life-saving medical care, right? That the country is littered with free clinics, right?

You're absolutely right. The ambulance has to pick you up. But you're purposefully ignoring the fact that you'll still get billed after receiving that life-saving care.

Does Insurance Pay the Bill for Expensive Ambulance Rides?

To most people, an ambulance bill is a combination of calculus-level math and confusion. Learn how this bill is actually calculated.

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And I'm glad free clinics exist. But they're doing a job that the government should be doing on a much larger scale. The fact that some communities have a neighborhood watch doesn't mean police departments shouldn't exist.

Also, doctors have to work for a living. You are not entitled to their labor for free. You complain that we are one of the few countries without "free" health care, so what baffles me is why you haven't moved to one of them. They sell plane tickets every fucking day. I can assist you if you like.

A doctor's primary concern when treating a patient shouldn't be how much fucking money they're going to make. It should be providing the best care and saving lives. Doctors should be paid by the government, the same way police and other public services are. Is your average police officer's primary concern when doing their job chasing a paycheck? Monetary gain should not be the endgoal for healthcare and its fucked up that right now it ostensibly is. Saving lives shouldn't be a for-profit industry plagues with predatory insurance companies.
And I want to enact change in America, because I was born here and I want things to be better HERE.

Someone with gender dysphoria undergoing hormone treatment is the last person I want with a loaded weapon next to me in a combat situation. Also, while I'm sure "rape" is how your ilk actually breed, proper humans look down on it- so please understand that "transgender ban" in the military is what kept a guy like me from bunking and showering with someone's 18 year old daughter. Oh, that- and the fact that if I had identified as female, my physical fitness score would have been absurdly high.

The military is no place for the mentally ill. It is not your social experiment.

I would want anybody that can do the job well to be able to serve. Not every trans person experiences dysphoria or seeks to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The ban is utterly pointless and is purely political. And "the ban stops me from raping people" is not the sterling defense you think it is.

Just saying "prison reform" doesn't mean anything, you dumb faggot. Explain what you mean. Otherwise you're just using words you heard on television.

End private prisons. Private prisons use prison labor and thus have an incentive to keep a "healthy" population of people in jail regardless of offense.

Fuck around and find out, faggot. We already have gun control. Explicitly explain which controls you would like to implement and tell me how much you're willing to die to see it happen.

I want people to be able to lose the ability to purchase weapons if they commit crimes like domestic abuse. Also institute a buyback of weapons that fit the definition of an assault style weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

You mean like... enforcing the laws at the border? Congratulations, you wish has been granted.

Not enforcing the laws, changing them to reflect the current reality of immigration from Central America.

They have the same rights as any other human being. You are asking for special treatment. No.

Not really. In several states you can still be fired for being trans or even gay.

Employees Can Be Fired for Being LGBTQ in 26 States. Will the Supreme Court Make That Even Worse? (Updated) - Rewire.News

The Court is considering taking three cases that ask whether Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects against sexual orientation or gender identity discrimination.

rewire.news

Stealing. That's what you mean, stealing. "Gibsmedat"

Not your money, so no. Get a job, subhuman.

Are taxes "stealing"?

ou mean "making other people pay for it". I'll humor you- maybe college, but only if it is for a genuine marketable skill and if you do not utlize your education for a career path in 5 years- you must pay it all back to the taxpayers.

It doesn't really matter what the fuck somebody chooses to do with a degree. Education to me means more than what you can immediately turn around and put back into the country.

I'd like fewer people in this country that are worried about what some Eurofaggot that can't even defend his preteen daughter from rapists or carry a pocketknife, or Curry-Slurping Street-Shitter thinks of the country that literally all of these fuckers seem to be lining up to get into.

Americans are the ones who will enact change, not your stereotypes.

Do we even have to reinforce that despite being 13% of the population...

And yes, we know others commit crimes. We're talking majorities here.

I meant the analogy in relation to excusing Trump's past discriminatory practices. If all you can say to defend it is "well other people are racist too" that's not much of a defense.

 

[CheezzyMach]

The only way to repair the insanity is to make the average voter suffer the effects. We became far too deeply-divided a long time ago to repair this by conventional means, and if there's one thing that the Democratic party has proven over the last three years, it's that they have absolutely no intention of bridging the gap and just calming down. The culture war is back in full swing now, and the only way to put an end to it is to make the average American painfully aware of the problems that political activists on both sides are causing, otherwise there's no way to get these extremists from either side shoved out of office.

Most of the Republican hard-liners have either been axed or converted now (or died from cancer), just look at the "Paul Ryan" wing of the Republican party and any of the Never Trump members of the government: They're gone. They either retired due to how powerless they became or they were hacked out during the 2018 elections when the Democrats took the House because Trump really didn't campaign all that hard for it, not compared to the Senate. The Democrats have done nothing but shown their ass to the general public since that election and proven that when given power, these activists accomplish absolutely nothing useful. They can't campaign on, "If we had the power we'd fix it!" anymore because all they've done is scream impeachment since they took office.

In a way it's similar to the concept of allowing "female" athletes to compete in women's sports. The general public never really saw it as much of a problem because the overall consensus is that it really wouldn't matter, but now it's becoming more and more obvious that by allowing men to compete in women's sports, it all but ensures that female athletes have no reason to compete because they literally cannot win. People had to see just how damaging it really was before they became interested in putting a stop to it.

Donald Trump never could have gotten concessions and cooperation from the Democratic party, he came into office with every last one of them trying to behead his presidency and get him thrown out on his ass. Trying to appease the unappeasable would have been a completely useless waste of time, so you're better off driving them insane so that everyone can see what's going on behind their masks. The only way to beat that insanity is to let everyone decide that they've had about enough of that shit.

I've heard this isn't even the first time the Left's gone batshit people keep bringing up 1972.

How much longer do you think this current cultural insanity will last?