US Eleventh Democratic Debate - Senile Old Grandpa vs. Cucked Old Commie

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https://www.npr.org/2020/03/15/8155...ate-sunday-in-d-c-heres-what-you-need-to-know (archives are broken lol)

Amid the coronavirus pandemic, the 11th Democratic presidential debate, on Sunday, is set to look and sound quite different from the previous 10.

To prevent further transmission of the virus, the Democratic National Committee announced Thursday it will hold the debate in Washington, D.C., with no live audience, instead of its original planned location of Arizona, one of four states voting on Tuesday.

The debate is being hosted at 8 p.m. ET by CNN along with CNN en Español, CNN International and Univision, and will take place at CNN studios.

The debate will be moderated by CNN's Dana Bash and Jake Tapper and Univision's Ilia Calderón.

They were originally to be joined by Univision's Jorge Ramos although the network has since announced that he will not to be part of the debate following a potential secondary exposure to the coronavirus.

Which candidates will be there?

Former Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders are the remaining two viable contenders for the Democratic nomination and will be the only candidates onstage Sunday night.

This comes following a series of presidential candidates suspending their campaigns in the days before and after the Super Tuesday contests on March

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is still actively running, though she did not meet the DNC's qualification for the debate. A candidate needs at least 20% of delegates awarded so far to be onstage; Gabbard has earned just two delegates out of nearly 1,800 awarded so far.


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Begins at 8 PM EST and ends at 10 PM EST

In this penultimate(?) Democratic debate, Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders will help America decide whose the most electable Democrat (answer: probably noone)

Your Candidates Are:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders
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And sadly no Tulsi Gabbard : (

So, with the stage no longer loaded with candidates, and without any supportive audiences, what do you guys think the outcome will be? Will Bernie turn out to be more mentally sound than Biden and use the debate to make a comeback? Or will Bernie cuck out again? Who knows!
 
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This was an audience-free, Biden-friendly set up and Bernie Sanders telegraphed every thing he'd be speaking about as well as his tactics a week in advance right to the Biden campaign. That's a piss poor strategy to land a decisive knock out blow, and surprise, the strategy of throwing the game before the first play didn't win the game for Bernie Sanders.

The only hope he had was a Tulsi/Kamala body-bagging on Joe Biden being senile but he's far too much of a pussy to ever do it, so he didn't do it, so this debate doesn't matter.

I for one hope the elections this Tuesday go on with a minimum of shenanigans, Sanders loses every state by at least 20, and we never have to listen to this cuckold putz ever again, unless we want to tune into CSPAN and see what will be happening to libraries and post offices in Vermont.
 
AGreatDipAtAFairPrice said:
This was an audience-free, Biden-friendly set up and Bernie Sanders telegraphed every thing he'd be speaking about as well as his tactics a week in advance right to the Biden campaign. That's a piss poor strategy to land a decisive knock out blow, and surprise, the strategy of throwing the game before the first play didn't win the game for Bernie Sanders.

The only hope he had was a Tulsi/Kamala body-bagging on Joe Biden being senile but he's far too much of a pussy to ever do it, so he didn't do it, so this debate doesn't matter.

I for one hope the elections this Tuesday go on with a minimum of shenanigans, Sanders loses every state by at least 20, and we never have to listen to this cuckold putz ever again, unless we want to tune into CSPAN and see what will be happening to libraries and post offices in Vermont.
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Bernie Sanders will never go for the knockout blow because he wants his new house/yacht
 
Okay, listening to the first 40 minutes. Jesus christ Bernie is bad, people ask him about a problem and he keeps deflecting to the same talking points despite them being only tangentially connected to the subject.
No one is talking about an expensive medicine for rich people only, there is no medicine yet.
Socialized healthcare fucking collapsed in Italy.
Having people going for every small thing to the doctors is just about the absolute worse thing you can do in a pandemic. The only hospital visit is once people are feeling like dying.
Companies will need a bail out, especially small and medium sized ones.

People want to hear a solution, which Biden gives a pretty standard and acceptable one. Sanders has no solutions, just empty promises that will likely kill more people than Corona.
It's not the broadcaster fucking Sanders, it's Sanders being used to be carried through debates by crowds cheering on every retarded promise he makes. Now without an audience his repetitivity and lameness is incredibly apperant. He sounds more like a demented old fuck than Biden, that can't even answer a simple question.
 
AGreatDipAtAFairPrice said:
The only hope he had was a Tulsi/Kamala body-bagging on Joe Biden being senile but he's far too much of a pussy to ever do it, so he didn't do it, so this debate doesn't matter.
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
He sounds more like a demented old fuck than Biden, that can't even answer a simple question.
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Biden's great weakness is his advanced age and the liabilities it brings. Maybe bring that up could constituted as "knockout-blow" ... except, of course, given that Sanders is the same age, the same questions could be raised of his candidacy. Remember, while Old Man Joe has had his moments, Bernie felt the Bern - that turned out have been a heart attack instead.

So guess he was left with nothing but his old talking points, which isn't good enough with Biden current lead. I suspect that he'll be pushed out in some manner after Tuesday.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Socialized healthcare fucking collapsed in Italy.
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I don't even think the issue was socialized healthcare, but the fact that Italy is brimming with the oldest European population, which just happens to be a risk group for COVID-19-- that is, Italian healthcare systems don't have patient surge capability, and they didn't get to avoid a patient spike.

We need to stop talking about universal healthcare in countries with the size and/or population of half a Texas when we discuss the prospect of having that here.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
I don't even think the issue was socialized healthcare, but the fact that Italy is brimming with the oldest European population, which just happens to be a risk group for COVID-19-- that is, Italian healthcare systems don't have patient surge capability, and they didn't get to avoid a patient spike.

We need to stop talking about universal healthcare in countries with the size and/or population of half a Texas when we discuss the prospect of having that here.
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No healthcare on earth can stand the surge Corona does, but the problem with socialized healthcare is that people won't think twice about going to the hospital, leading to even more infections and strain.
I do agree that the USA is a whole different beast from Europe in regards to healthcare.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
I don't even think the issue was socialized healthcare, but the fact that Italy is brimming with the oldest European population, which just happens to be a risk group for COVID-19-- that is, Italian healthcare systems don't have patient surge capability, and they didn't get to avoid a patient spike.

We need to stop talking about universal healthcare in countries with the size and/or population of half a Texas when we discuss the prospect of having that here.
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Also, the fact that socialized-everything Europe is failing on both the state and continental level should be proof that these schemes sound good, but DON'T WORK.

They don't work in Texas-sized countries.

They don't work when scaled up to continents.

And they won't work if tried in a country that IS most of the continent.

You want us to "Look to Europe" and be inspired? All I see are people protesting excessive taxes, suffering withdrawal as their 60-year social addictions to subsidies and freebies are failing as the crush of migrants have pushed their fundamental pyramid-scheme underpinnings to the unsustainable level where there aren't enough new suckers to cover the ones cashing out a the top and police forces more interested in fining people who make nasty social media posts instead of arresting those stabbing and raping their way through their neighbors in the vain hope these incompatible classes will be so inspired by the show of compassion that they'll integrate and start filling the tax coffers instead of depleting them just to keep the failed experiment of One-government luxury pan-European social-communism alive, resulting in old pensioners taking from the top, the welfare-class, swollen by ungrateful "immigrants" taking from the bottom and average folk getting crushed down the middle by taxes they "owe to support the great system we have".

We ARE looking to Europe, that's why America rejects it's "ideals",

THEY

DO

NOT

WORK.

It's why a guy proposing them here is losing embarrassingly to an opponent with literally only half-a-brain.
 
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Zero Day Defense said:
We need to stop talking about universal healthcare in countries with the size and/or population of half a Texas when we discuss the prospect of having that here.
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This is a problem when discussing a lot of issues and comparing America to Europe. It's apples and oranges. Oh, Iceland had a peaceful revolt by the people that forced banking regulation changes? That's great for them, no sarcasm. Now scale that up to a country the size and population, non-homogeneous, of the US with a completely different culture, history, and laws. Tell me how it works then.

We don't have to look to Europe to see how their single payer solutions or full on government run healthcare looks. We have Veterans Administration Healthcare and Medicare/Medicaid. People who point to these systems always neglect to one crucial thing when scaling them up in my opinion. These are systems are bureaucracies. They are by nature bloated and inefficient. When you scale these systems up you also have to scale up that bloat and inefficiency. I personally do not believe that they scale at a linear rate either. Scale Medicare/Medicaid or VA Healthcare up from their current patients served to the US population and then imagine an exponential increase in the ineptitude and waste of those systems.

Then add in the fact that in many, most?, of these countries people have private healthcare anyway. Someone I follow was diagnosed with cancer and their social media was inundated with comments from American followers about how at least it will be treated for free. They were like "lol no, I have private insurance. My chemo and recovery might not cost as much as it does in America, but I'm still paying out of pocket and my taxes are much higher to begin with".
 
HumanHive said:
The entire point of Song of the South is that we, as Americans, can recover from what slavery was and did to people and that we can make what comes after something beautiful. The stories that slaves told to each other, that kept them sane during slavery, are stories that have value and can be enjoyed by everybody. That these are American stories, a new American mythology, and that's something wonderful.

But no, it has a black former slave smiling alongside white children. Obviously it's unrealistic, because nobody was ever happy during Reconstruction era or Jim Crow South. Obviously everyone was miserable, all the time, and you should be miserable now and hate everyone around you. Why? "Racial justice".
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Welcome to center left "progressive" politics in 2020.
 
TowinKarz said:
Also, the fact that socialized-everything Europe is failing on both the state and continental level should be proof that these schemes sound good, but DON'T WORK.

They don't work in Texas-sized countries.

They don't work when scaled up to continents.

And they won't work if tried in a country that IS most of the continent.

You want us to "Look to Europe" and be inspired? All I see are people protesting excessive taxes, suffering withdrawal as their 60-year social addictions to subsidies and freebies are failing as the crush of migrants have pushed their fundamental pyramid-scheme underpinnings to the unsustainable level where there aren't enough new suckers to cover the ones cashing out a the top and police forces more interested in fining people who make nasty social media posts instead of arresting those stabbing and raping their way through their neighbors in the vain hope these incompatible classes will be so inspired by the show of compassion that they'll integrate and start filling the tax coffers instead of depleting them just to keep the failed experiment of One-government luxury pan-European social-communism alive, resulting in old pensioners taking from the top, the welfare-class, swollen by ungrateful "immigrants" taking from the bottom and average folk getting crushed down the middle by taxes they "owe to support the great system we have".

We ARE looking to Europe, that's why America rejects it's "ideals",

THEY

DO

NOT

WORK.

It's why a guy proposing them here is losing embarrassingly to an opponent with literally only half-a-brain.
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Socialism doesn't even work for Bernie. HOW'S THE TWO-TIMES DEFEAT TREATING YA, OLD COOT?

The grift, on the other hand, works for him. All those houses. and all those donations from morons emptying their bank accounts for someone who has more money than they will ever see in their lifetime. But that isn't socialism, not at all.
 
The biggest thing about the progressives that irks me is how they tear open old wounds with the logic of "that shouldn't have happened in the first place!"

Look, I agree I shouldn't have been so careless as to gash my leg on a river rafting trip on some sharp rocks I knew were there, but ignored. Yet I did, I got a scar from it, yes, but I also got on with my life.

Do I like my scar?

No

Do I wish it wasn't there?

Yes

But, do I also realize that nothing I can do will change the fact I got it and it's time to learn never to do that again and move on?

Yes

Modern activists are OPPOSED to this "moving on" part.

SJWs IDpolites,and all the other miserable disciplines of their twisted worldview believe in the fallacy that if you just rip open scarred tissue enough times, it will eventually somehow learn to heal without a mark instead of just getting worse., or rather, believe a wound should NEVER HEAL so that the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS you fucked up FOREVER!!!!
 
Okay, I finished listening to the entire thing. Biden won, he sounded more professional and practical on virtually any subject (albeit with the usual insane promises, why should higher education be state funded?!). Bernie was cemented as a cuck due to being too afraid of confronting Biden besides very weak jabs at his history, and this is THE time he has to go on offensive. But he didn't and Biden will get the delegates gap to be uncrossable.
The debate itself was very softball, but who the fuck hires people with such a thick accent that you can't understand a single word they say?
 
Bernie is always very scripted, and he relies more on working up the crowd into a frenzy to hide the fact that he's repeating the same unworkable talking points all his entire career.

Biden isn't great, but take away the crowd and Bernie is completely exposed for what he is: a fraud.
 
TowinKarz said:
The biggest thing about the progressives that irks me is how they tear open old wounds with the logic of "that shouldn't have happened in the first place!"

Look, I agree I shouldn't have been so careless as to gash my leg on a river rafting trip on some sharp rocks I knew were there, but ignored. Yet I did, I got a scar from it, yes, but I also got on with my life.

Do I like my scar?

No

Do I wish it wasn't there?

Yes

But, do I also realize that nothing I can do will change the fact I got it and it's time to learn never to do that again and move on?

Yes

Modern activists are OPPOSED to this "moving on" part.

SJWs IDpolites,and all the other miserable disciplines of their twisted worldview believe in the fallacy that if you just rip open scarred tissue enough times, it will eventually somehow learn to heal without a mark instead of just getting worse., or rather, believe a wound should NEVER HEAL so that the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS you fucked up FOREVER!!!!
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Yeah well this is what happens when you build a whole lucrative cottage industry around "scar-free healing" cure-alls. It's not that they're naive (at least not the ringleaders) it's that they're disingenuous.
 
Frank N Berry said:
They should have kept one upping each other with their VP pick.

I'm going to pick a female!
I'm going to pick a gay female!
I'm going to pick a gay trans female!
I'm going to pick a disabled gay trans female!
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They say that, but watch Biden have a senior moment at the convention and get fooled by Mike Gravel in a wig and dress.
 
TowinKarz said:
The biggest thing about the progressives that irks me is how they tear open old wounds with the logic of "that shouldn't have happened in the first place!"

Look, I agree I shouldn't have been so careless as to gash my leg on a river rafting trip on some sharp rocks I knew were there, but ignored. Yet I did, I got a scar from it, yes, but I also got on with my life.

Do I like my scar?

No

Do I wish it wasn't there?

Yes

But, do I also realize that nothing I can do will change the fact I got it and it's time to learn never to do that again and move on?

Yes

Modern activists are OPPOSED to this "moving on" part.

SJWs IDpolites,and all the other miserable disciplines of their twisted worldview believe in the fallacy that if you just rip open scarred tissue enough times, it will eventually somehow learn to heal without a mark instead of just getting worse., or rather, believe a wound should NEVER HEAL so that the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS you fucked up FOREVER!!!!
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You can divide it into two types:
1. The historical crime that most people today don't bear any responsibility for and demonizes entire political ideas even if they are only tangentially related.
2. The event that in no way was expected that we should now invest insane amount of money in averting (i.e., giving money to worker unions and companies that donate to them)
 
So in order for Biden to look lucid, he had to go on a one-on-one debate with Bernie.

lol Bernie sucks so hard. Viable candidate my ass, Bernie Bros.

Bernie couldn't even find it in him to yell at Commie China, after all that the Chinese government has done to literally the rest of the world in recent months. Bernie never says anything remotely positive about America, but he'll bend over backwards to give countries like China and Cuba the benefit of the doubt. Biden took that opportunity and looked sane by comparison when he criticized China for pretty much everything they do. That will definitely appeal to the moderate and Independent voters big time.
 
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