Opinion Elections Are Bad for Democracy - NYT

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On the eve of the first debate of the 2024 presidential race, trust in government is rivaling historic lows. Officials have been working hard to safeguard elections and assure citizens of their integrity. But if we want public office to have integrity, we might be better off eliminating elections altogether.

If you think that sounds anti-democratic, think again. The ancient Greeks invented democracy, and in Athens many government officials were selected through sortition — a random lottery from a pool of candidates. In the United States, we already use a version of a lottery to select jurors. What if we did the same with mayors, governors, legislators, justices and even presidents?

People expect leaders chosen at random to be less effective than those picked systematically. But in multiple experiments led by the psychologist Alexander Haslam, the opposite held true. Groups actually made smarter decisions when leaders were chosen at random than when they were elected by a group or chosen based on leadership skill.

Why were randomly chosen leaders more effective? They led more democratically. “Systematically selected leaders can undermine group goals,” Dr. Haslam and his colleagues suggest, because they have a tendency to “assert their personal superiority.” When you’re anointed by the group, it can quickly go to your head: I’m the chosen one.

When you know you’re picked at random, you don’t experience enough power to be corrupted by it. Instead, you feel a heightened sense of responsibility: I did nothing to earn this, so I need to make sure I represent the group well. And in one of the Haslam experiments, when a leader was picked at random, members were more likely to stand by the group’s decisions.

Over the past year I’ve floated the idea of sortition with a number of current members of Congress. Their immediate concern is ability: How do we make sure that citizens chosen randomly are capable of governing?

In ancient Athens, people had a choice about whether to participate in the lottery. They also had to pass an examination of their capacity to exercise public rights and duties. In America, imagine that anyone who wants to enter the pool has to pass a civics test — the same standard as immigrants applying for citizenship. We might wind up with leaders who understand the Constitution.

A lottery would also improve our odds of avoiding the worst candidates in the first place. When it comes to character, our elected officials aren’t exactly crushing it. To paraphrase William F. Buckley Jr., I’d rather be governed by the first 535 people in the phone book. That’s because the people most drawn to power are usually the least fit to wield it.

The most dangerous traits in a leader are what psychologists call the dark triad of personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy. What these traits share is a willingness to exploit others for personal gain. People with dark triad traits tend to be more politically ambitious — they’re attracted to authority for its own sake. But we often fall under their spell. Is that you, George Santos?

In a study of elections worldwide, candidates who were rated by experts as having high psychopathy scores actually did better at the ballot box. In the United States, presidents assessed as having psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies were more persuasive with the public than their peers. A common explanation is that they’re masters of fearless dominance and superficial charm, and we mistake their confidence for competence. Sadly, it starts early: Even kids who display narcissistic personality traits get more leadership nominations and claim to be better leaders. (They aren’t.)

If the dark triad wins an election, we all lose. When psychologists rated the first 42 American presidents, the narcissists were more likely to take reckless risks, make unethical decisions and get impeached. Add a dash of Machiavellianism and a pinch of psychopathy, and you get autocrats like Putin, Erdoğan, Orbán and Duterte.

Eliminate voting, and candidates with dark triad traits would be less likely than they are now to rise to the top. Of course, there’s also a risk that a lottery would deprive us of the chance to select a leader with distinctive skills. At this point, that’s a risk I’m willing to take. As lucky as America was to have Lincoln at the helm, it’s more important to limit our exposure to bad character than to roll the dice on the hopes of finding the best.

Besides, if Lincoln were alive now, it’s hard to imagine that he’d even put his top hat in the ring. In a world filled with divisiveness and derision, evidence shows that members of Congress are increasingly rewarded for incivility. And they know it.

A lottery would give a fair shot to people who aren’t tall enough or male enough to win. It would also open the door to people who aren’t connected or wealthy enough to run. Our broken campaign finance system lets the rich and powerful buy their way into races while preventing people without money or influence from getting on the ballot. They’re probably better candidates: Research suggests that on average, people who grow up in low-income families tend to be more effective leaders and less likely to cheat — they’re less prone to narcissism and entitlement.

Switching to sortition would save a lot of money too. The 2020 elections alone cost upward of $14 billion. And if there’s no campaign, there are no special interests offering to help pay for it.

Finally, no voting also means no boundaries to gerrymander and no Electoral College to dispute. Instead of questioning whether millions of ballots were counted accurately, we could watch the lottery live, like we do with teams getting their lottery picks in the NBA draft.

Other countries have begun to see the promise of sortition. Two decades ago, Canadian provinces and the Dutch government started using sortition to create citizens’ assemblies that generated ideas for improving democracy. In the past few years, the French, British and German governments have run lotteries to select citizens to work on climate change policies. Ireland tried a hybrid model, gathering 33 politicians and 66 randomly chosen citizens for its 2012 constitutional convention. In Bolivia, the nonprofit Democracy in Practice works with schools to replace student council elections with lotteries. Instead of elevating the usual suspects, it welcomes a wider range of students to lead and solve real problems in their schools and their communities.

As we prepare for America to turn 250 years old, it may be time to rethink and renew our approach to choosing officials. The lifeblood of a democracy is the active participation of the people. There is nothing more democratic than offering each and every citizen an equal opportunity to lead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/21/opinion/elections-democracy.html (Archive)
 
Much like everything with communist/leftist thought, it ONLY works if you have a society of a few thousand people at most. Not a few million or few hundred million! But here we go.. First it was "we don't/shouldn't have to respect the vote of wrong thinkers", then democracy turned into "their democracy" and is now turning into "we don't need democracy". This is license for total bureaucratic takeover at the very least/best case!

This also smacks of leftist group-think and struggle session bait. The part about trying to form consensus is not only female centric style of organization, but on a larger level utterly prone to chaos! (see occupy wall street) Everyone starts worrying about petty little issues and cults form. Plus if they think voting for someone is prone to takeover by specific or outside interests, then I have bad news. All it takes is one or two people, or egos, to poison everything. (see occupy wall street again) It's doesn't even have to be intentional.. Just look at current identity politics and imagine every victim group whining. That's likely the whole intent here. This opens up the system to random people without conviction (real or paid for) and will only lead to issue.. no, more like "REEEEEEEE" of the day politics, group think and the most dangerous kind of social coercion. It's like rule by busybodies on steroids! Or rule by social media!

With the timing of this push against democracy.. I'm also getting the feeling that this might be a round about push to technocratic rule by any other name. With progs OC owning the titles of "official exerts," now is the perfect time to push "expert" rule.
 
All it takes is one or two people, or egos, to poison everything. (see occupy wall street again) It's doesn't even have to be intentional.. Just look at current identity politics and imagine every victim group whining. That's likely the whole intent here. This opens up the system to random people without conviction (real or paid for) and will only lead to issue.. no, more like "REEEEEEEE" of the day politics, group think and the most dangerous kind of social coercion. It's like rule by busybodies on steroids! Or rule by social media!
All one would have to do is try a tea, building exercise with someone who has an agenda. If there's any sort of conviction, they could easily bully others into compliance; and if someone has the gall to stand up, they're gonna be alone as everyone already got put in line, and they'll argue for something they're honestly not even that confident in.

Just imagine if something like "Should pictures/identities of suspected criminals be published" was to be voted on. You'd have the BART fiasco all over, where they don't want to release the videotape because it might be racially inconvenient. Oh, but you're the leaders of the nation, you're supposed to do what's best, and obviously putting the word out of people who are dangerous would be the right thing to do... "Well we voted on it, and decided that black people's feelings are more important." Oh, so you're compromised? How much longer are we stuck with your retarded asses?
 
Elections are bad for Our Democracy because we dont get the results they want.

Get this, people, election meddling only exists if its done against them, otherwise, the system works perfectly fine.
 
You dont realy want to go down this way.
A) Athens were city state with tiny population by modern standards.
B) only citizens could vote and be elected . So no slaves, women, foreigners, or men who had residence in Athens,but did not have citizenship.
C) as others pointed out "lottery" was not random.
D) more of fun fact. Every year there was vote and every citizen could vote for every politician and if anyone got certain number of votes he would be kicked out of Athens and could not return for ten years
Your mistake is in expecting the mouthbreathing subhuman mongoloid that wrote this article to know anything about Hellenic Athens beyond what they skimmed off wikipedia while jerking off to CP.

I'm frankly shocked the morons who write this dreck that gets shat out onto the internet on a daily basis can dress themselves let alone operate a computer.
 
B) only citizens could vote and be elected . So no slaves, women, foreigners, or men who had residence in Athens,but did not have citizenship.
The United States had been very successful using this model up until the 15th Amendment was added to the list. Which the 15th fucked everything up as it gave the former slaves the right to vote outright. When it should have been they and everyone else had the right to earn the privilege of voting.
 
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