Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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I recently rewatched the Buu Saga, roughly starting from after Gohan finishes up Videl's flight training (mostly because I just wanted to skip all the high school shenanigans and get straight to where the action starts proper) and I have walked away with a few thoughts:

- The whole arc's almost like one giant shitpost when put into perspective.
- I forgot how much DBZ really loves its padding.
- Super Saiyan 3 is a hot wet fart of a transformation and we all must have been fairly retarded as kids to have found it cool.
- Gohan is the biggest jobber. Mystic was just as much of a hot, wet fart as SSJ3.
- Gotenks a shit and jobs almost half as hard.
- I can now clearly see one of the indicators where Toriyama changes canon on the fly (by virtue of the fact that it's emphasized so much during this arc, particularly with regards to Vegeta's sacrifice, that "evil" souls are "purified" and basically lose all sense of memory and identity when passing on, never to return to their former selves, but then later on in the arc, we see all the deceased villains watching the battle with Kid Buu on the Supreme Kai world from Hell, not to mention King Yemma sending Dabura to Heaven as his "punishment")
- "Innocent" Buu being "innocent" isn't exactly the case considering that, at least as far the JP dub/subs were concerned, Buu was very much aware that killing people is bad and enjoyed doing it anyway, and even shittalked Goku at one point for being too "goody-goody", and the only thing that really changed Buu was making friends with Mr. Satan and him requesting that Buu should stop killing people. He's literally just choosing not to kill people en masse because people like him more when he isn't. (That, and the whole wish to remove people's memories of being killed by Buu.)
- Vegito's great, but the plan to bait Super Buu into absorbing him was ultimately dumb considering that everyone they saved ends up dying anyway once he transforms into Kid Buu and blows up the Earth.
- I know Vegeta still hangs in there anyway because he has to despite the almighty asswhooping he continually gets during the finale, but it's just downright strange to me how, even at full stamina, he just gets beat down so much faster than Goku against Buu when he himself was kind of beating Goku's ass much earlier in the saga.

Still enjoyed it regardless, because my dumb monkey brain still enjoys some good old Dragonball even in my 30's, but it's definitely something I had to watch in the vein of not taking anything too seriously.

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Be honest: How hard do you think Trunks got his Briefs busted in here?
 
but then later on in the arc, we see all the deceased villains watching the battle with Kid Buu on the Supreme Kai world from Hell, not to mention King Yemma sending Dabura to Heaven as his "punishment")
There's no depiction of Hell in the Dragon Ball manga. What you're referring to is filler from the Toei anime. And yes, a lot of it was stuck in the Kai version because in order for Dragon Ball anime be cleansed completely of filler, they'd have to reanimate large portions of the show from scratch since its so hardwoven in and sometimes overlapse with the source material (ex: Kid Buu goes to Other World filler planet instead of directly to Kaioshin's Planet like he did in manga).
First time Hell is actually depicted by Toriyama is Resurrection of F where Freeza is in a cocoon in his Mecha form because in order to be cleansed, he needed to accept his passing which he refused to do.
 
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There's no depiction of Hell in the Dragon Ball manga. What you're referring to is filler from the Toei anime. And yes, a lot of it was stuck in the Kai version because in order for Dragon Ball anime be cleansed completely of filler, they'd have to reanimate large portions of the show from scratch since its so hardwoven in and sometimes overlapse with the source material (ex: Kid Buu goes to Other World filler planet instead of directly to Kaioshin's Planet like he did in manga).
First time Hell is actually depicted by Toriyama is Resurrection of F where Freeza is in a cocoon in his Mecha form because in order to be cleansed, he needed to accept his passing which he refused to do.
Yeah? I'm aware of as much. I'm talking entirely about the anime here.
 
If we're going to talk about canon and contradiction, it should be stated that it has never meant much to Toriyama, that especially goes for when he was writing the manga.
Yeah, people who want DB to be this big consistent lore are just taking it the wrong way.

The entire appeal of DB, I think, is that it basically comes off like a slightly more sophisticated version of something a little kid would make up. Like going through it again you can almost see a sort of literal growth and change--not in terms of the characters but in the story itself. To me its most apparent comparing the early hunt for the Dragon Balls and even the first Tenkaichi Budokai to the Buu Saga... both have a lot of comedy, but the former are enthusiastic youthful exhuberance while the latter is a comedy born of a realization that "this has become stupid." This is speaking as a man who genuinely loves the Buu saga.
 
I keep giving Toyotaro the benefit of the doubt and I'm rewarded with disappointment each time. The guy can draw, but he can't draw manga--nothing in any of his panels has a sense of movement and its fucking weird that he still hasn't figured this out despite studying Toriyama and tutoring under him for years. Krillin jobbing to a bee isn't the worst of this adaptation, its how little energy is in it.
 
where can i watch uncut DB/DBZ? like where can i stream it?

i got some DVD years ago of a few seasons, but i dont even think i have a DVD player anymore
 
I did read up to volume 19 of super in full color and I will have to wait volume 20.to come out to see the end of the story.

I like it more than z already, not the early stuff but moro and granolah.
 
Dragonball Z should have ended with Cells defeat. It was all wrapped up...Goku was gone, the world had been saved and the torch was passed to Gohan. There were a few cool moments during the Buu saga but it was all just a rehash of Cell. Instead of a green bug man running around absorbing androids for more power it was some bubblegum monster doing the same just with the Z fighters.
 
where can i watch uncut DB/DBZ? like where can i stream it?

i got some DVD years ago of a few seasons, but i dont even think i have a DVD player anymore
VRV Crunchy has it if you feel like selling your soul to the devil.
 
if you don't want to splurge on DVD or Bluray sets then Crunchyroll is really you're only option.
 
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