Dota 2 Community Meltdown - Apparently everyone bullied everyone with a mix of sexual harassment as well

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I swear to Christ OD Pixel better not get swept up in all this nonsense. If he cheated on Sheever, or breaks her heart I'm gonna fly to the Netherlands and stick my foot up his bony ass.

I don't really give a fuck about any of the casters named so far. Tobi is annoying, Zyori is boring white bread, and Grant is just an embarrassing human being. If Kyle goes down I will be genuinely sad though.

However, many of these allegations seem like bitches who regret fucking autists. Sorry ladies, but that isn't sexual assault. Being pathetic and begging for sex isn't assault either. "My tampon was moved" might be one of the most hilarious MeToo lines I've ever heard. Although, I could see Grant fishing around for a used tampon to sniff/suck on. 🤮
 
StrawberryDouche said:
I suggest you include a small write up of what the fuck Dota2 is, both for informational purposes and to give me something to judge you more harshly on.
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Imagine if you took a RTS, crammed it into a 5v5 team format and added a skill ceiling comparable to a well-designed fighting game. To play at a high level you need an autism-level understanding of the mechanics.. as well as the ability to clearly communicate with 4 other people, all of whom have a similar autistic level of dedication. This results in more drama by volume than any other online game ever.

I wrote this dumb overly simplistic summary out just so I can point out that the one dota personality worth caring about - a guy named PyrionFlax, who is very open about being terrible at the game and not knowing what the fuck he's doing half the time - isn't involved in the drama as far as I can tell, so nothing of value has been lost.
 
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ducktales4gameboy said:
Imagine if you took a RTS, crammed it into a 5v5 team format and added a skill ceiling comparable to a well-designed fighting game. To play at a high level you need an autism-level understanding of the mechanics.. as well as the ability to clearly communicate with 4 other people, all of whom have a similar autistic level of dedication. This results in more drama by volume than any other online game ever.

I wrote this dumb overly simplistic summary out just so I can point out that the one dota personality worth caring about - a guy named PyrionFlax, who is very open about being terrible at the game and not knowing what the fuck he's doing half the time - isn't involved in the drama as far as I can tell, so nothing of value has been lost.
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To be fair, PFlax has barely been involved with Dota2 at all for the past 2 years or so.

Dota has been dying a slow death in NA for years now. The game is free to play, which instantly makes it more appealing in countries without disposable income and less access to other organized competitive outlets. There are more first tier South American professional teams now than their are USA based ones, to the point where some leagues have dedicated South American qualifiers; something that was unheard of when I was religiously following the pro scene from 2014 to 2017. I vividly remember the first time a South American team went 2-0 in a best of three versus a very well regarded European team at the premier international event (creatively called The International, for those who don't know/care about Dota 2). Southeast Asia has exploded in a similar way; there were over twice as many Filipino nationals playing at TI9 there were Americans.

Long story short, although a lot of the English speaking commentary and production is US based (no surprised, since so is Valve), the English speaking audience is waning and shit like this is only going to speed it along. Not in terms of audience disgust, since the Dota 2 community is notoriously toxic and typically won't give a fuck, but in terms of production companies coming apart and having a harder time scraping together talent.

It won't be long until we've got a Starcraft situation where there's, at most, 2-3 English speaking caster pairs attached to foreign production companies.
 
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Tour of Italy said:
To be fair, PFlax has barely been involved with Dota2 at all for the past 2 years or so.

Dota has been dying a slow death in NA for years now. The game is free to play, which instantly makes it more appealing in countries without disposable income and less access to other organized competitive outlets. There are more first tier South American professional tiers now than their are USA based ones, to the point where some leagues have dedicated South American qualifiers; something that was unheard of when I was religiously following the pro scene from 2014 to 2017. I vividly remember the first time a South American team went 2-0 in a best of three versus a very well regarded European team at the premier international event (creatively called The International, for those who don't know/care about Dota 2). Southeast Asia has exploded in a similar way; there were over twice as many Filipino nationals playing at TI9 there were Americans.

Long story short, although a lot of the English speaking commentary and production is US based (no surprised, since so is Valve), the English speaking audience is waning and shit like this is only going to speed it along. Not in terms of audience disgust, since the Dota 2 community is notoriously toxic and typically won't give a fuck, but in terms of production companies coming apart and having a harder time scraping together talent.

It won't be long until we've got a Starcraft situation where there's, at most, 2-3 English speaking caster pairs attached to foreign production companies.
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not just north america, dota is dying in europe too.
SEA, china, south america and russia are the big bastions of dota players today. NA was always sub par and small, and western europe is dying off rapidly too.
for now, western europe is kept relevant by the huge amount of veteran pro players that have been around for over a decade and still compete at the top level, no other region except china has such a strong and experienced talent pool, but there's barely any young talent coming up to carry on the torch, so as the old guard retires, western relevance will slowly fade away from the competitive scene.

and yes, you are right, this drama will barely affect the wider dota community at large, but it will hasten the decline of the western pro scene and all the producers and content creators who have made careers off attaching themselves to that scene.

you are wrong about that "the english speaking audience is waning" part though. even if NA and EUW were completely removed from the dota scene, all the international events would still be done in english language because that's the only practical way to do it. you definitely won't be getting peruvians and russians to learn mandarin, nor chinese and malaysians to learn spanish.
 
Tour of Italy said:
To be fair, PFlax has barely been involved with Dota2 at all for the past 2 years or so.

Dota has been dying a slow death in NA for years now.
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Good to hear that Flax got out unscathed, I see he's been playing a bunch of other stuff on his channel.

I used to play casually but the big draw was the absurdly wonderful custom game support. If you wanted to throw together a quick game prototype that ran on something akin to an RTS engine you could do it and have valve-hosted matchmaking in less than an hour, and there were a ton of weird little tower defense/battle games that were a blast to just explore with randoms, even if the randoms were angry russians.

I guess it's inevitable (and a bit sad) that it collapsed, although most of the popular customs have been forked off into their own standalone games.
 
DumbDude42 said:
not just north america, dota is dying in europe too.
SEA, china, south america and russia are the big bastions of dota players today. NA was always sub par and small, and western europe is dying off rapidly too.
for now, western europe is kept relevant by the huge amount of veteran pro players that have been around for over a decade and still compete at the top level, no other region except china has such a strong and experienced talent pool, but there's barely any young talent coming up to carry on the torch, so as the old guard retires, western relevance will slowly fade away from the competitive scene.

and yes, you are right, this drama will barely affect the wider dota community at large, but it will hasten the decline of the western pro scene and all the producers and content creators who have made careers off attaching themselves to that scene.

you are wrong about that "the english speaking audience is waning" part though. even if NA and EUW were completely removed from the dota scene, all the international events would still be done in english language because that's the only practical way to do it. you definitely won't be getting peruvians and russians to learn mandarin, nor chinese and malaysians to learn spanish.
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I was mostly talking about the dwindling audience of native English speakers, the kind that watch online events and minor tournaments. Sure The International will always be broadcast with English speaking talent, but I’m expecting that the amount of money for other US based events and production is going to keep shrinking.

There will always be people willing to follow the scene and cast events, but there’s going to be less professionals simply because smaller audience means fewer new fans, which means fewer eyes for advertisers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see things like Beyond the Summit and other casting companies go the way of the dinosaur.
 
DumbDude42 said:
not just north america, dota is dying in europe too.
SEA, china, south america and russia are the big bastions of dota players today. NA was always sub par and small, and western europe is dying off rapidly too.
for now, western europe is kept relevant by the huge amount of veteran pro players that have been around for over a decade and still compete at the top level, no other region except china has such a strong and experienced talent pool, but there's barely any young talent coming up to carry on the torch, so as the old guard retires, western relevance will slowly fade away from the competitive scene.

and yes, you are right, this drama will barely affect the wider dota community at large, but it will hasten the decline of the western pro scene and all the producers and content creators who have made careers off attaching themselves to that scene.

you are wrong about that "the english speaking audience is waning" part though. even if NA and EUW were completely removed from the dota scene, all the international events would still be done in english language because that's the only practical way to do it. you definitely won't be getting peruvians and russians to learn mandarin, nor chinese and malaysians to learn spanish.
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DotA, professionally at least, in NA was always a joke. I have doubts that it will really affect anything.

DumbDude42 said:
toby was THE face of pro dota, the guy has been commentating stuff since forever, and was generally considered the most entertaining one of them all. he did commentary on the grand finals of the very first TI, and many that followed.


this is the first line in the "actual details" section of her post
how the fuck am i supposed to take these people seriously when they literally start their accusations by claiming to be mentally retarded to enhance their victimhood narrative? every one of these posts makes me hate women more and more
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When you're 18, you're not a child. That's the age of consent. If you're too fucking stupid, you're telling me you legitimately are mentally retarded. I mean, there has to be a point where you've got to have a cut off here. Like you're talking a decade ago when you were of age and its hard too go up against him, but a decade?

ducktales4gameboy said:
Good to hear that Flax got out unscathed, I see he's been playing a bunch of other stuff on his channel.

I used to play casually but the big draw was the absurdly wonderful custom game support. If you wanted to throw together a quick game prototype that ran on something akin to an RTS engine you could do it and have valve-hosted matchmaking in less than an hour, and there were a ton of weird little tower defense/battle games that were a blast to just explore with randoms, even if the randoms were angry russians.

I guess it's inevitable (and a bit sad) that it collapsed, although most of the popular customs have been forked off into their own standalone games.
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DotA as a game is still popular in America. Professionally.....ehh...not so much.
 
Secret Asshole said:
DotA, professionally at least, in NA was always a joke. I have doubts that it will really affect anything.
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Evil Geniuses is the only exception to this. The years I watched, they were a top tier team, winning TI5 and typically doing very well at large events. PPD was one of the best drafters the game has seen, Fear was a fucking juggernaut of consistency and there’s a reason OG picked up Sumail the second he realized that EG was on the decline.

I miss the S A D B O Y S era of EG so much. Honestly it was when they stopped performing consistently that my interest in the game started dipping.

That’s part of why eSports is so fucking hard to watch. I like Fly and Crit just fine, but it’s not the same team without Ppd. The turnover and swapping of pros happens so fast that it’s hard to stay a fan.
 
Tour of Italy said:
Evil Geniuses is the only exception to this. The years I watched, they were a top tier team, winning TI5 and typically doing very well at large events. PPD was one of the best drafters the game has seen, Fear was a fucking juggernaut of consistency and there’s a reason OG picked up Sumail the second he realized that EG was on the decline.

I miss the S A D B O Y S era of EG so much. Honestly it was when they stopped performing consistently that my interest in the game started dipping.

That’s part of why eSports is so fucking hard to watch. I like Fly and Crit just fine, but it’s not the same team without Ppd. The turnover and swapping of pros happens so fast that it’s hard to stay a fan.
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Yeah, but it took forever for this to happen. It is depressing, but yes. Its a major problem especially in DotA, because you have to be on point with your team and extremely, extremely well coordinated. One player out of position and you lose the game, which is why DotA is so rage inducing. It is VERY difficult for one good player to carry a team to victory. So you have these problems with personalities, and when you lose these big tournaments, there are massive morale hits, and people get blamed and sponsors want victories, so you have the shuffle.

Unless you keep strict attention on the scene, you'll never know where your favorite players end up. And DotA e-sports has strict rules about swapping players before tournies, so you'll generally see a lot of swapping to make see what works.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
And Booze, don't forget booze.
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This too. And drugs, ala weed.
 
Bender said:
It's only fair since EG stole s4 and Fly weeks before the International and utterly destroyed n0tail's long friendship and trust with Fly.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=T_vW_ezOPhk
And then n0tail won two Internationals in a row, lol.
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He deserved it, that was really such a bitch move I can't believe that it happened. To put matters in perspective: Fly and n0tail have played together for nearly 10 years. They played one of the most amazing internationals together. They went from qualifiers (Best of one, meaning one loss and you're out) to win the tournament. To make matters even more intense, they beat the team that kicked both of them out several months ago to win the tournament. If you were writing an e-sports Drama, it really doesn't get better than that.

Then they had a pretty bad run, winning only 1 major tournament in a year before the International. Then basically Fly (the captain and co-founder) just goes 'lol bye' with S4 to Evil Genuises just 2 months before TI. It was a major bitch move after being salty for not winning that much. In pro DotA, this is devastating and basically almost a guarantee for OG to lose. Because of the rules of The International, you need to have a complete, statistic team for a set period of time (I forget how much). It also forced them to withdraw from a major tournament, the last one before the International. This also would cost them money too. So He basically fucked over his friend in a big way.

They got lucky and got a former member to come back and picked up other players. Then OG proceeded to kick EG's teeth in, where that shoulder bump from n0tail comes in. Its really a lot worse than it sound about how big Fly fucked over n0tail

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Indeed, almost like heavily impairing your judgement in a social setting is a bad idea or something
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In a world where feelings matter, there are no such things as consequences for your actions.
 
Secret Asshole said:
They got lucky and got a former member to come back and picked up other players. Then OG proceeded to kick EG's teeth in, where that shoulder bump from n0tail comes in. Its really a lot worse than it sound about how big Fly fucked over n0tail
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Small correction, n0tail didn't shoulder-bump Fly, he just glared at him while shaking his hand, it was Fly's new teammate Cr1t who shoulder-bumped n0tail backstage during an interview.


You can see how n0tail just loses his smile the moment it happens, and he sounds a lot less happy when he answers the next question. It was bad enough he got betrayed by his BFF, but now one of Fly's new teammates shoulder-checks him and Fly doesn't say anything?
 
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