Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Vyse Inglebard]

I don't even know what Disney is anymore to me it all ended when Michael Eisner stepped down back in 2006.

Depending on who you ask, it all ended when Uncle Walt himself died in 1966. But yeah, Eisner stepping down really is, IMO, when Disney really started the slow, but sure downward spiral that continues to this day.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

A shit ton of past media references?
Shitty rap`?
Starring Seth Rogen?
Oh yeah, another one to add to the modern media hellscape
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ofzNNQqojts

I hate literally every decision made here, from the “meta” to the voices to Seth Rogan.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Final thing if this is what Disney has Seth Rogen doing going forward it'll be nothing compared to what he might do to wreck the Darkwing Duck reboot.

He’s also behind the new TMNT, so I don’t know who he’s been blowing lately.

 

[MysticMisty]

Also they're doing just like how Disney did with the DuckTales reboot by giving wrong sounding voices to the nephews.

The 2017 series isn't the only time they haven't had the classic voices. And honestly that show was so good it really didn't matter. The 2017 series was done by people who cared about the 1987 series, for people who cares about the 1987 series while also doing it's own thing. I don't get that feeling from this Rescue Rangers movie at all.

 

[starborn427614]

The 2017 series isn't the only time they haven't had the classic voices. And honestly that show was so good it really didn't matter. The 2017 series was done by people who cared about the 1987 series, for people who cares about the 1987 series while also doing it's own thing. I don't get that feeling from this Rescue Rangers movie at all.

Quack Pack was the other time IIRC.

 

[Belvedere]

A shit ton of past media references?
Shitty rap`?
Starring Seth Rogen?
Oh yeah, another one to add to the modern media hellscape
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ofzNNQqojts

So basically this shares the same universe as Roger Rabbit where cartoons characters are just actors so Rescue Rangers was "fake". That's in itself already shits on the old fans of the show and then there is the fact that again, everything has to be ironic and sarcastic with this people. No respect for the source material. Fuck this type of writing.

Chip looks bad because since they fired all the 2D animators and have no one there who can do it, they just slapped a toon shader on a 3D model. I haven't seen the trailer because I have no interest in it, but I keep hearing Roger Rabbit is in it and they did the same thing to him. I guess they shouldn't have pissed off their last good 2D animator after Tangled.

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic, the company that pioneered and made 2d animation an art form can't even manage to gather the talent to do hand drawn animation anymore. I think it is even worse, the 3d models aren't that well animated either, whoever is working on this movie must be from a generation that never touched, let alone drew, on a real piece of paper with pencil in their lives.

The bad CGI ghetto scene seems just a bit too self aware that I have my doubts that it's going to fall flat. It sucks because I think there's room for the Roger Rabbit style movie people have been dying for, but I don't think this is it. And Rescue Rangers isn't the franchise people wanted for that concept either.

A Rescue Rangers revival movie would have made sense 20 years ago with a honest to goodness sequel, kind of the same way "The Rescuers" form 1977 got a wonderful sequel with "The Rescuers Down Under" in 1990, but now? and with this cynical of a tone? This isn't a revival, this is driving a stake into the heart of the corpse just to make sure this IP stays dead.

... and the villain is going to be Gadget. Why? Because she's bitter about being yet another washed-up has-been toon that doesn't make enough from royalties or whatever and she just really wants another chance to shine, or whatever.

Somehow making the only female cast member a villain, specially when she was a positive role model for girls in the original cartoon, would be an extra twist of the knife for the original fans. They'll probably depict her as a patriarchy-hating-woke-feminist convert with shaved dyed hair and thick frame glasses just out of spite.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

He’s also behind the new TMNT, so I don’t know who he’s been blowing lately.

My amazement is how he's still able to make offensive comedy but never get canceled. Could it be his goyim "J" card is giving him diplomatic immunities or something because we all know what went down with that "Santa Inc" elfgate scandal. Wink! Wink!

So basically this shares the same universe as Roger Rabbit where cartoons characters are just actors so Rescue Rangers was "fake". That's in itself already shits on the old fans of the show and then there is the fact that again, everything has to be ironic and sarcastic with this people. No respect for the source material. Fuck this type of writing.



It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic, the company that pioneered and made 2d animation an art form can't even manage to gather the talent to do hand drawn animation anymore. I think it is even worse, the 3d models aren't that well animated either, whoever is working on this movie must be from a generation that never touched, let alone drew, on a real piece of paper with pencil in their lives.



A Rescue Rangers revival movie would have made sense 20 years ago with a honest to goodness sequel, kind of the same way "The Rescuers" form 1977 got a wonderful sequel with "The Rescuers Down Under" in 1990, but now? and with this cynical of a tone? This isn't a revival, this is driving a stake into the heart of the corpse just to make sure this IP stays dead.



Somehow making the only female cast member a villain, specially when she was a positive role model for girls in the original cartoon, would be an extra twist of the knife for the original fans. They'll probably depict her as a patriarchy-hating-woke-feminist convert with shaved dyed hair and thick frame glasses just out of spite.

Don't forget the half shaven hair look that they're trying to push. Why don't they just shave the entire head and go full with the crazy Brittany look from 2007.

 

[XYZpdq]

I don't even know what Disney is anymore to me it all ended when Michael Eisner stepped down back in 2006.

Anybody remember when he used to appear before a televised Disney feature to give a little inside look or trivia on The Wonderful World of Disney on ABC back in the day.

yeah Eisner's hotel boner and infrastructure unboner certainly has had mixed results, but at least he got the importance of putting on the airs of an Uncle Walt figure, even if he wasn't super convincing at it to the point they still made occasional jokes about him being something of a corporate tyrant

I kind of like the idea... but I don't know if they can do it well.

yeah the idea has legs but I could never expect it to be anything in practice

 

[Shekelslovakia]

They would butcher the original story because it was "problematic".

Imagine how lucky we were back in the 2000s when people didn't need to complain about somebody's skin melanin shade being represented, or chromosomes or gender just if someone could make a fucking brilliant story nowadays they have to fall back on niche demographics in order for them to sell anything anymore due to the fact that there are no more good writers anymore either because everything has been done or due to the high risk of something original failing and putting the studios in the red.

But just looking back at the Beowulf adaptation that happened in the 2000s let's be lucky that we got that even if it sucked ass.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

NOBODY WANTS A REBOOT.mp4
I'd hate to borrow from the Nostalgia Critic, of all people, but fuck it, it's a salient point:

i hate kids movies with stupid rap songs. Sounds awful.

 

[fenny]

Re: Rescue Rangers abortion, here is my bet: Gadget's going to be the missing one, it'll be a ripoff of the Napster episode of Futurama where celebrities were kidnapped to create virtual duplicates, toss in a reference to the Gadget "cult" from like ten years ago, topped off with a nice "teehee you silly boys, you didn't need to rescue a strong independent wo-mouse like me" before a giant computer monster appears and the power of team work defeats it. This is all miraculously livestreamed by Token Human Friend, which reignites their popularity and they get a new show about their ~real adventures~ and live happily ever after.

Where's my fucking money, Disney?

 

[XYZpdq]

tbh bringing up the crazy russian gadget cult would be kinda cool

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

That's everyone, but after Frozen, they don't want to trump Queen Elsa while still trying to make characters look like her.

The sad part is that Anna was way hotter than her.

What is it with all the villains getting the evil white washed out of them, and being waifish woobie blobs all the time? What happened to a villain being sympathetic, yet a lost cause at the same time?

Too much indecisiveness and likely studio mandates. Everyone wants to create the next Zuko or Batman TAS villain, but cannot find a good way to commit. No one wants a plain evil bad guy anymore, wiping away some really good characters. They cannot commit to a Batman villain as usually the bad guy has to be redeemable, not to say Batman’s aren’t, but it takes years to get them good, when these villains need to be redeemed quickly. They also fuck up the Zuko style villain as usually the villain has to be correct in some way, that there is some legit reason for them to be evil that is not selfish, killing the redemption as they were always good from a different perspective.

Disney to Develop Residential Communities
"Walt Disney Co. said it plans to start developing residential communities, starting with one in Rancho Mirage, in California's Coachella Valley.

"As we prepare to enter our second century, we are developing new and exciting ways to bring the magic of Disney to people wherever they are, expanding storytelling to storyliving," Chairman of Disney Parks, Experiences and Products Josh D'Amaro said.


The new residential development business will be called Storyliving by Disney, the company said.

Disney said the Rancho Mirage community is being developed in collaboration with DMB Development. It will include at least one section expressly for age 55+ residents, the company said. Home buyers will be able to choose from estates, single family homes and condominiums.

Other locations across the U.S. are under consideration for future development, Disney said.

At each location, Disney cast members will operate the community association, the company said. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide access to certain experiences, such as wellness programming, entertainment, philanthropic endeavors, seminars and more."

Disney enabling more Disney adults I see

I remember one that was impressed by Disney painting Woody on a small portion of the ceiling, this shit will sell to consumers.

tbh bringing up the crazy russian gadget cult would be kinda cool

Nah, just include a scene of some 50 something Boomer watching the original with his kid before taking off to go on the Gadget forums to jerk off to his new obsession. No really, there used to be a forum of creeps jerking it to her and they were men who admitted to being 50 or so.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Disney to Develop Residential Communities
"Walt Disney Co. said it plans to start developing residential communities, starting with one in Rancho Mirage, in California's Coachella Valley.

"As we prepare to enter our second century, we are developing new and exciting ways to bring the magic of Disney to people wherever they are, expanding storytelling to storyliving," Chairman of Disney Parks, Experiences and Products Josh D'Amaro said.


The new residential development business will be called Storyliving by Disney, the company said.

Disney said the Rancho Mirage community is being developed in collaboration with DMB Development. It will include at least one section expressly for age 55+ residents, the company said. Home buyers will be able to choose from estates, single family homes and condominiums.

Other locations across the U.S. are under consideration for future development, Disney said.

At each location, Disney cast members will operate the community association, the company said. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide access to certain experiences, such as wellness programming, entertainment, philanthropic endeavors, seminars and more."

But Disney already did a similar thing a long time ago. Not only did it fail but there was a murder and a suicide.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/13/celebration-death-of-a-dream

That was what Celebration was meant to be. A small-town idyll built to the Disney corporation's lauded high standards. It would be imbued with nostalgia for the prelapsarian America, and it would capture the sense of community that Walt Disney spent his whole life trying to distil, bottle and sell.

So how to make sense of the events of the last 10 days? The news that Celebration – population 11,000 –had suffered its first murder with the bludgeoning to death of a 58-year-old retired teacher? Followed less than two days later by the sight of a Swat team in an armoured car staking out a house, which ended with the homeowner's suicide? How do you fit these events into the Disney dream?

It didn't work back then and it won't work now.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

In a story that’s Disney adjacent, Brad Bird has signed on to direct Ray Gunn, a film he’s been wanting to make forever, for Skydance Animation, the studio run by Jon Lasseter after he was forced out at Disney. And I’m only speculating here, but I think the reason why the last two Pixar movies have not had John Ratzenberger cameos is because of loyalty to Lasseter, as he has signed on for the first film to be released by Skydance.

 

[Crybaby Xianghua]

Too much indecisiveness and likely studio mandates. Everyone wants to create the next Zuko or Batman TAS villain, but cannot find a good way to commit. No one wants a plain evil bad guy anymore, wiping away some really good characters. They cannot commit to a Batman villain as usually the bad guy has to be redeemable, not to say Batman’s aren’t, but it takes years to get them good, when these villains need to be redeemed quickly. They also fuck up the Zuko style villain as usually the villain has to be correct in some way, that there is some legit reason for them to be evil that is not selfish, killing the redemption as they were always good from a different perspective.

Also, I think the Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, started the trend of stories having super saccharine sweet "happy endings", where both the "good guys" and the "bad guys" all gets to live happily ever after together.

Good god, I hate those saccharine style Breaking Dawn type of happy endings with an undying passion. To me, they feel forced, un-earned, insincere, and self indulgent. There is noting satisfying nor heart warming about those sugar bowl endings.

It goes to show, that sometimes, an ending can be way too happy for its own good.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Also, I think the Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, started the trend of stories having super saccharine sweet "happy endings", where both the "good guys" and the "bad guys" all gets to live happily ever after together.

Good god, I hate those saccharine style Breaking Dawn type of happy endings with an undying passion. To me, they feel forced, un-earned, insincere, and self indulgent. There is noting satisfying nor heart warming about those sugar bowl endings.

It goes to show, that sometimes, an ending can be way too happy for its own good.

Maybe…
I am going to go in with the idea that most animators nowadays are trying to recapture the magic of former animation. While many are Tumblrinas, I doubt Twilight had as much influence on their works as other properties.

I feel like one can easily derive where most western animation gets its influence from today. A majority of animators are very clearly trying to match anime, which comes in a variety of forms. As for western influence, I would claim the DCAU and Avatar are very clearly the main influences for many works. If you want a third, then Adventure Time has also became a base. Fourth is probably Disney’s 90s films and Pixar. Those four properties have pioneered a generation of animators to try their hand at creating the newest version of x from the 90s-2012.

In general, villains are just getting watered down by means of trying to replicate the past without understanding it. People want to write like the DCAU, Avatar, or even Adventure Time in having very sympathetic antagonists, but they usually move too far and redeem the unredeemable or make them “not really bad guys.” Zuko is great because he fucks up and does bad, but we see him actually grow. Ice King is much the same way, he got his shit kicked in for justifiable reasons early on, but improved with time. A lot of animators just skip the growth needed to make stories work.

There is also the growing trend of antagonist-less movies, where the antagonist does not exist or is barely a factor. Movies like Frozen and Zootopia treat the villain as a non-present entity for more societal issues.

 

[make_it_so]

A shit ton of past media references?
Shitty rap`?
Starring Seth Rogen?
Oh yeah, another one to add to the modern media hellscape
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ofzNNQqojts

As someone who really enjoyed this series along with all the other Disney Afternoon cartoons as a kid...that trailer hurt. Now I'm not going to say it raped my childhood or anything stupid like that, but it is a crying shame.

I will say however, that this trailer and how this movie is shaping up represents, to me, everything that is wrong with modern pop culture and entertainment when it comes to rebooting established/nostalgic brands. Nothing is played straight, everything has to be self aware and "ironic." Nothing is made to tell an actual story, instead made solely with the intention of getting soy-faced hipster bugmen with hundreds of Funko Pops to flap their arms and go "I know what that is!!!" as they go on the sperg about it on Reddit and make clickbaity YouTube videos.

The concept behind Rescue Rangers is decent enough that Disney could make an actual movie/series reboot in the modern day that is well written, fun, and appeals to all ages - if they wanted to. But apparently they don't, and instead handed it off to be another reference-infused "comedy." Disney probably already knows that this is cancer, which is why they're dumping it on Disney+ (their modern-era version of Direct To Video) rather than releasing it in theaters or on one of their cable networks.

 

[nostalgiasorrow]

Sebastian Might Rap In Disney's Little Mermaid Live-Action Movie

Lin-Manuel Miranda hints Sebastian might have a new rap song in Disney's upcoming The Little Mermaid. Set for release in theaters next year, The Little Mermaid is among one of the many live-action remakes in various stages of development over at Disney. It is based on the beloved 1989 animated film, which revolves around bright-eyed mermaid Ariel and her dreams of walking among the humans on land. Halle Bailey will play Ariel for the live-action Little Mermaid, and she'll be joined by an all-star cast that includes Javier Bardem, Awkwafina, Daveed Diggs, Jacob Tremblay, Jonah Hauer-King, and Melissa McCarthy as evil sea witch Ursula.

In terms of comparable remakes, it so far looks like The Little Mermaid will be closer to 2017's Beauty and the Beast than 2020's Mulan. The latter release radically changed its story, altered the characters, and did away with the musical elements. Fans of classic songs like "Under the Sea" and "Part of Your World" don't have to worry, because The Little Mermaid will in fact be a musical. Original songwriter Alan Menken has returned to pen new songs for the live-action film, and he's been joined by Hamilton and Encanto mastermind Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Right now, Miranda has been making the rounds promoting both Encanto and tick, tick... BOOM!, but he did have some things to share about The Little Mermaid while speaking to Variety recently. When it comes to the new songs included in the film, Miranda revealed there's one for Ariel after she's lost her voice and is a human in the back half of the film. It's also certain that there will not be an original song for Ursula, but it's noted that Miranda didn't rule out a rap for Hamilton alum Diggs, who voices Sebastian the crab.

If The Little Mermaid does feature a rap number, there's no better person in the cast to perform it than Diggs. He won a Tony for his fast-talking turn as the Marquis de Lafayette and Thomas Jefferson in Hamilton, and fans would likely rejoice at the opportunity to hear him debut some new lyrics from Miranda. What makes Miranda's tease curious, though, is that he confessed months ago that he couldn't bring himself to write new Little Mermaid songs for Sebastian because he already loves his numbers so much. To be fair, "Under the Sea" truly is one of the most iconic Disney songs of all time.

But still, this means that Sebastian rapping in the live-action Little Mermaid isn't a guarantee. It also isn't out of the question. With the movie not slated to arrive until May 2023, it'll likely be a while before audiences get to hear any of the new songs. The Little Mermaid has one of the most beloved Disney soundtracks around, so the originals in the live-action version have a lot to live up to. Menken and Miranda make an exciting duo, though, and odds are they've whipped up some catchy songs for fans to enjoy.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Sebastian Might Rap In Disney's Little Mermaid Live-Action Movie

All hope for this company is lost.