Diablo 4 general - All shit will hit the fan this June

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blablabla said:
i tried the beta, waited on a queue for like 15 min and when i started played for like 5 min before saying to myself why the fuck im playing this. im sure at some time in the future it will get added to the free games that i will never play in another client that i wont ever start
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Bog-standard Poster said:
This was me, except the 15 mins queue time was 5 mins, and the 5 minutes of play time was 15 minutes.

As soon as i got to the first boss, after dealing with enemies jumping around and my spells lagging, I thought "fuck this". Went back to town after killing a boss so easy it damaged my IQ and saw that the items i picked up had "unlock new cosmetic by scrapping this item". lol, no. fuck cosmetics, I'm out.

I deleted it, then made my rant post. There's a good chance I'll never think about Diablo again, after been a massive Diablo 1 and 2 fan. In the same way I did with Fallout. Fallout 3 was meh, NV was good, if not buggy and 4 was so bad I never want to play another Bethesda Fallout game for as long as I live.
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More or less the same. I got to the cave/mines section with a necromancer and realized the game just wasn't fun and it was annoying how I felt as if I was part of someone else's adventure as they made you listen to the two NPCs banter with one another while they did stuff and you simply stood there protecting them from waves of dudes. As a necromancer I should be the one with the mindless minions, instead I ended up being the mindless bodyguard minion so I could have the pleasure of listening to unfunny quips being tossed between two random NPCs I didn't care about.
 
Blizzard really fucked up giving all those keys away with video cards, hoping to make it back on the lifespan. That really blew up as the game seems pretty dead now. The first major patch making the game an worse grind really did it in for me.

Time to finish their game and dump money into the journos to sell the redemption narrative if it's even effective in the year or two it'll take.

It's a shame, I think they did have some good ideas for the genre. Having the story mode be one playthrough and your done is great, getting to the post game is usually a chore in ARPGs, and D4 is the first I've experienced at least that lets you turn it off.

But the game is a fucking boring slog. Yeah if you go around and get allbthe altars and shit you start with 10(5?, I forget how much is lost when renown resets) free skill points and a bunch of stats. That makes the grind easier but not faster. And the only thing the post game really gives you is the ability to slowly after much repetition crank up the difficulty to match your ability. The second difficulty setting is actually slower cause the experience increase doesn't match how much it slows the slog.

I think their plan was to get streamers competing to be the first to 100 each season to tap into a kind of speed runner competitive niche. Like how Sega/Relic ruined the game aiming for a tuned esports crowd before they had a fun and popular game, Blizzard handicapped their game to make it competitive for the most dedicated of runners.

I suspect they'll pull a WoW and let you start a character at level 50 in a season or two, probably if you have a battle pass, and probably tune down the grind except for the last 10 levels, but they really need a lot of work to make this a fun game to play over and over instead of a tedious one.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
remove the requirement for always online.
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That is going to have exactly zero impact on my interest. If it was a game I really liked, something downtime would upset me over, then maybe. As it stands it's a game I'm check in on every six months to see if they get their shit together.

And trust me, I know the frustration of an online only ARPG. My favorite follow up to Diablo 2 was Marvel Heroes, and I know, capeshit, but it actually had David Brevik on the team, and they used the lore to develop some really mechanically unique classes to play as.
 
Polyboros2 said:
Blizzard really fucked up giving all those keys away with video cards, hoping to make it back on the lifespan. That really blew up as the game seems pretty dead now. The first major patch making the game an worse grind really did it in for me.
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As one of those people who got the game that way iIt's not terrible but not something I was ever going to spend money on. Maybe the initial game, But I have no idea what a battle pass costs or what I'd get for the money and I can't be bothered to check. I wouldn't spend it anyways. They did get me to try out a game I wouldn't have tried otherwise and found it at least somewhat interesting. What will it get them in the future? Diablo 5, Base version and nothing more. Maybe. But I won't need it as a test-drive for a new card, So maybe not.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
remove the requirement for always online.
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It's much more than that.

The community at large is dead. Blizzard killed most of interest of modders/map makers/etc a decade ago. D4 offline will still just be D4 - no one is going to put the time in for a huge overhaul mod (like Eastern Sun) for Blizzard these days.

The game needs some real work (like all of their other games) that they do not have the capacity to do any longer. It's super apparent.
 
SiccDicc said:
It'll still play like a game designed for it, though.
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Maybe, but it won't lag about when playing single player.
Tanner Glass said:
It's much more than that.

The community at large is dead. Blizzard killed most of interest of modders/map makers/etc a decade ago. D4 offline will still just be D4 - no one is going to put the time in for a huge overhaul mod (like Eastern Sun) for Blizzard these days.

The game needs some real work (like all of their other games) that they do not have the capacity to do any longer. It's super apparent.
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Out side of local co-op, I've never played Diablo online and have no intention to. Removing the online requirement and allowing me to play local co-op would allow me to overlook how boring the game is.

Even the worst games are more fun when played together in offline co-op mode.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
Maybe, but it won't lag about when playing single player.

Out side of local co-op, I've never played Diablo online and have no intention to. Removing the online requirement and allowing me to play local co-op would allow me to overlook how boring the game is.

Even the worst games are more fun when played together in offline co-op mode.
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It'd probably get a playthrough out of me if it wasn't online-only. The fact they repeated the trend in D4 just showed they hadn't learned anything to me, and when given the choice between D4 and Baldur's Gate 3 (an offline-capable game), I'll more readily take the latter like I think most people would. It may not get 30 Seasons Of Circling The Drain, but I think a satisfying and complete product is more important than roping in a speed runner/min-max community.
 
Diablo 4's viewership on Twitch has dropped so low, that even a dead game that is used as the unofficial category to stream pirated content, i.e. TV shows and movies, has more viewers:

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Gabe Newell probably has euphoria boners from seeing D4 falling off, and being beaten by a dead Valve game, in addition to Overwatch 2 being the lowest rated game (?) on Steam.
 
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Apparently a couple of days ago, there was a live Diablo 4 PvP event in Korea. The venue was damn near empty, and hardly anyone watched the stream. Yes, Blizzard once again trying to turn some shit into an esport and failing. You can see during the stream they show the empty seating, it isn't isn't just that the photos were taken from before the event started.
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blablabla said:
when i think of diablo i think of fucking esports
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They tried the same with WoW which I think they are still trying with things like Hardcore, but it's the most amazingly brain dead ideas in the world. Esports as a whole are shit and I think more people are realizing it by the day, as not only do they have all the issues of regular sports but one arbitrary patch can fuck a top player out of being competitive instantly.
 
because I'm a retard and I bought the pay pig edition to play early access with a bro, I recently reinstalled this game to try and finish out the gay premium battle pass before the season ends and my amazing preorder bonus that comes with a fucking expiration date lapses. I thought maybe the recent un-nerfs and adjustments to XP gain plus time away from the game would make it less noxious. that is emphatically not the case. within 10 minutes I was thinking about playing Grim Dawn again. the cope I used to choke down the initial price went something like this: even if it's not good at launch, surely they'll be smart enough to follow Diablo 3's example and blow up half the game mechanics if they need to. D3 was a real shit sandwich at launch but post-expansion, I've gotten my money's worth out of it. surely Diablo 4 will be fun at some point during its life span, right?

I take it back. there's no way to salvage this fucking game. everything about it blows, the open world sucks, the dungeons suck, the story is predictably worthless, the classes and ability design are boring as hell. it has no content worth mentioning, and the moment-to-moment game play is completely devoid of any character whatsoever. fixing Diablo 4 would require releasing another game entirely. I would rather play another Diablo 3 season than grind out this stupid battle pass. I would rather level a trapsin in Diablo 2 for the five millionth time. I would rather suck a whole bag of bleedy AIDS dicks than actually suffer through leveling any Diablo 4 character all the way to 100, but my brain is atomically cucked by sunk cost fallacy and the stupid "but what if you're wrong?" voice in the back of my mind. please throw very large rocks at my head until the suffering stops.
 
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I'm Retarded? said:
because I'm a retard and I bought the pay pig edition to play early access with a bro, I recently reinstalled this game to try and finish out the gay premium battle pass before the season ends and my amazing preorder bonus that comes with a fucking expiration date lapses. I thought maybe the recent un-nerfs and adjustments to XP gain plus time away from the game would make it less noxious. that is emphatically not the case. within 10 minutes I was thinking about playing Grim Dawn again. the cope I used to choke down the initial price went something like this: even if it's not good at launch, surely they'll be smart enough to follow Diablo 3's example and blow up half the game mechanics if they need to. D3 was a real shit sandwich at launch but post-expansion, I've gotten my money's worth out of it. surely Diablo 4 will be fun at some point during its life span, right?

I take it back. there's no way to salvage this fucking game. everything about it blows, the open world sucks, the dungeons suck, the story is predictably worthless, the classes and ability design are boring as hell. it has no content worth mentioning, and the moment-to-moment game play is completely devoid of any character whatsoever. fixing Diablo 4 would require releasing another game entirely. I would rather play another Diablo 3 season than grind out this stupid battle pass. I would rather level a trapsin in Diablo 2 for the five millionth time. I would rather suck a whole bag of bleedy AIDS dicks than actually suffer through leveling any Diablo 4 character all the way to 100, but my brain is atomically cucked by sunk cost fallacy and the stupid "but what if you're wrong?" voice in the back of my mind. please throw very large rocks at my head until the suffering stops.
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are you retarded?
 
I'm Retarded? said:
I would rather suck a whole bag of bleedy AIDS dicks than actually suffer through leveling any Diablo 4 character all the way to 100, but my brain is atomically cucked by sunk cost fallacy and the stupid "but what if you're wrong?" voice in the back of my mind. please throw very large rocks at my head until the suffering stops.
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Sunk cost and FOMO are a helluva drug, and that's why gamecorps love hiring behavioral psychs to help design things to take advantage of them. Just repeat to yourself:
 
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