💰 Grifter Devon Del Vecchio / "Dev" / ShortFatOtaku / @sleepy_devo - Degenerate loser, honorary whiteknight for Lilith Lovett, constantly at odds with his own viewers for being a centrist

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I told Ace before his stream that Dev was going to duck. Now he's going to play retarded, pretend he never actually agreed to that specific debate in the first place, and come up with some convoluted "technicality" that excuses his actions.
He should become a friend to Balldo Rikieta. "I never SPECIFICALLY said that". I sound MATI but people like this need a fucking beating.
New Dev video. That fucking thumbnail man.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9BhMXBWNElU
Sure thing, Balldevon, and you ran away from a debate. When will you speak about that?
Dev has given a brief reply to ACE's video on twitter:
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He's arguing with some people in a few of the comments, but for the most part it's hilarious to see this turn on him after the way he was crowing in his latest seethe stream.
Cry, fatso. No matter which words you use, you'll never ran away from allegations. :balldocaust:
 
Kek la Kek, havent seen that many memes but saw this.

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Dev has given a brief reply to ACE's video on twitter:
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He's arguing with some people in a few of the comments, but for the most part it's hilarious to see this turn on him after the way he was crowing in his latest seethe stream.
Honestly, this whole "debate" shitfest has been retarded from the get-go. NGL, even Ace dropping the debate is kinda retarded IMO, because it is a kinda-sorta last minute thing, which allows Dev to sneak out with a "sorry, bro. I have other plans." excuse.
BUT, even with that, Dev ends up looking like the bigger retard overall, because
1) He started it with the almost last-minute "Debate me on Whick's stream!" bit. If, at that time, Ace had given the excuse "Sorry Dev, I was out shopping." I doubt Dev would've gone "completely understandable. Let's set up a special debate episode, you and me, on Whick's channel for some other time." (Note: I'm saying Ace here for ease, but it can just as easily apply to pretty much anyone and everyone out there who dislikes Dev's bullshit.)
2) Bragging about it as if the lack of pushback on him was somehow proof he "dindunuffin" or "was absolved" or whatever shit.
3) When Ace had that stream, backing out with a "sorry, I gotta go shopping." excuse. And the thing is, if it actually was that, would be less of an issue because, hey, IRL is always more important. But the fact this guy is then in Mauler's chat indicates the dude just didn't want to talk and was trying to find a reason to go away. Hell, if he'd been upfront in the beginning with the "I'm not talking to you because I feel like you are an A-log who would not give my actions enough charity.", THAT would've been less damaging, because at least it's clear-cut on his views. It'd bring up other issues ("oh, look how poorly he thinks of his critics" and what-not), but it wouldn't be as cowardly as the ducking he did.

It's definitely a "what if", but if Ace had somehow been able to be in Whick's chat and wanted to come on, I wonder whether Dev would be having the same smug attitude he had then. Or if he'd use the same kinda "Oh, he's a bad-faith A-log" to try and duck or blunt it.
Biases aside, a decent sales pitch for Liberalism. And not a bad summation of it's intended functions. The problem, and what he glossed over "for other videos" is the major flaws of Liberalism that are very relevant in recent history. Namely, this shit doesn't work if there is no faith in the system or completely blind faith.

Without trust, everything breaks down as no one can count on the systems for anything. Case and point, Portland let acquitted a homeless man of murder by stabbing simply because the victim said the N word. Racial politics trumped rule of law. On the flip side, blind faith in the system results in infiltration, resulting in the system being usurbed and torn down from within. Such as is the intention with the heavy Islamic immigration in the UK.

We need people to build back trust in society for liberalism to work and that's probably the one thing the Left and Right both don't have: Trust in the system.
Pretty much this. Though "the people need to 'trust in the system'" kinda exists for all systems, not just liberalism; other, more authoritarian systems, "enforce" that trust with a bullet to the back of the head for any pushback. Liberalism is flexible, which is simultaneously it's greatest strength AND weakness; in that it allows it to adapt better than other systems, but it just as easily allows bad-actors with enough useful idiots to shift the system away from liberalism, particularly in crisis times. "Vote Hitler into power", if you will.
I want liberalism to work, but the problem for that is you're gonna have to rebuild faith in the systems, and with the current batch of people at the helm of those systems, both public and private, I unfortunately don't see that happening...at least, not easily.
Kek la Kek, havent seen that many memes but saw this.

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Wait, is that supposed to be Mauler?
 
So this might be petty but sometimes the best way to deal with a habitual liar is to hold fire with some of your evidence and let them talk themselves right into another ambush. Case in point now that Dev is desperately trying to claim he never called me specifically a coward for not showing up to the Whick TV stream, it is the perfect opportunity to provide a clip of him doing exactly that.
 
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So this might be petty but sometimes the best way to deal with a habitual liar is to hold fire with some of your evidence and let them talk themselves right into another ambush. Case in point now that Dev is desperately trying to claim he never called me specifically a coward for not showing up to the Whick TV stream, it is the perfect opportunity to provide a clip of him doing exactly that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y4Iv7ch8ZI0

Petty, i think its on Point!
 
So this might be petty but sometimes the best way to deal with a habitual liar is to hold fire with some of your evidence and let them talk themselves right into another ambush. Case in point now that Dev is desperately trying to claim he never called me specifically a coward for not showing up to the Whick TV stream, it is the perfect opportunity to provide a clip of him doing exactly that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y4Iv7ch8ZI0
Imo this best way to deal with liars like him. Just throw their own words back at them.

New TikTok video . WTF is that thumbnail.
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Also another 1k of rightoids unsubbed.
 
So this might be petty but sometimes the best way to deal with a habitual liar is to hold fire with some of your evidence and let them talk themselves right into another ambush. Case in point now that Dev is desperately trying to claim he never called me specifically a coward for not showing up to the Whick TV stream, it is the perfect opportunity to provide a clip of him doing exactly that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y4Iv7ch8ZI0
Interesting that he first and foremost cites your comment section as the hub for his haters and not this thread or kiwifarms in general. Meaning that you're really getting under his skin, despite his attempts at dismissing you as a nobody nipping at his heels. If you want to twist the knife, remind him that your situation with him is much the same as it is with Dev and Sargon, only Sargon views Dev with pity rather than contempt.
 
Biases aside, a decent sales pitch for Liberalism. And not a bad summation of it's intended functions. The problem, and what he glossed over "for other videos" is the major flaws of Liberalism that are very relevant in recent history. Namely, this shit doesn't work if there is no faith in the system or completely blind faith.

Without trust, everything breaks down as no one can count on the systems for anything.

On the flip side, blind faith in the system results in infiltration,

We need people to build back trust in society for liberalism to work and that's probably the one thing the Left and Right both don't have: Trust in the system.

Trust in the system isnt the problem. Nor is bad faith. First off Liberalism is an ideaology and it and whatever the system is are two different things. In theory you could have a liberal dictator ship just like in theory you could have a working communism.

And second, A lack of trust in the system and bad faith actors also isnt the issue. Every nation on earth has to deal with those.

The problem is that the liberal ideology isnt really robust nor does it have the ability to defend itself on a moral footing against other ideologies. It relies fairly heavily on an appeal to feeling positive and nice and good. And pretty much demands for blank slate theory to be true. These two facts are it's primary down fall. All anyone has to do in order to undermine librealism is either discover a real physical difference between people and exploit it like feminism has when it comes to sex, or reject that whatever ideas that make a liberal feel good are in fact good or make everyone feel good.

This is why trannies HAVE to exist in sports and why liberals HAVE to let muslims build mosques borderline on top of the twin towers resting ground. All actors have to be treated equal. If we admit that there are biological diffrences between men and women then we have to admit there might be biologically in built diffrences between blacks and whites and that major parts of liberalism is wrong. If we deny muslims the right to build mosques wherever they want, then we have to start looking at religons and ethnic groups as motivated by things other than what liberals like and that the system has major failings that can only be addressed by discarding liberalism.

The biggest diffrenec between communism and liberalism is the recognition of the value of market flags provided by a free (in theory anyway) economy. But I think what we fail to realize in alot of ways is that much like communism, liberalism only works when it has overwhelming power. For communism that meant any black market free trade needed to be surpressed via gulags and firing squad using esoteric justifications of theft from state.

In liberalism the same thing goes. Except instead of firing squads and mental gymnastics for justification of action it's traditionally been overwhelming millitary suppreiroity, geographic isolation, and near ehtnostate levels of homogeny to appeal to morals tahts been keeping it going. Mind you, the militarry superiority basicaly translates to liberalism leaning on the one thing it has over communism which is it's market flags to allow it to provide for absurd levels of matirial superiority over it's opposition and the georgraphic isolation of most ilberal nations. The backwards views of the africans and indian cant really make it America or Europe if you have to walk through the desert and cross an entire ocean on foot with basically no money. Insert your own conspiracy theory about recent mass immigration here.

All this is a bit of a long winded way of saying that no, lack of trust in the system isnt a cause, its a symptom. But, more importantly and perhaps less obvious, its also to point out that liberalism MUST be stateist in order to exist in the real world. It can not protect itself if it does not have overwhelming support from its population and in order to maintain it's rule through moral concensus. However due to it having no defense of it's own from other moral systems, it has to thus regulate and keep them out requiring a massive gov apperatus to control and regiment the lives of it's people and prevent them from trying to adopt the other moral frameworks. The few that buck the trend inside the nation can be jailed very easily.

The current national problems? there's a bunch of theories on how or why it started but at the end of the day, it's because someone fucked up and drank the cool aid. Bought into the moral BS so hard they slipped up and stopped keeping the others out.

The good news is we can use this to firmly label SFO as a statist using the liberal world view as justification for his BS. While the two do go hand in hand to the point the ven diagram damn near looks like a circle, we know and understand that liberalism is under threat. If he supported liberalism over the state, his potion would be that we desperalty need to seperate the outside influances from the body politic via doing something about immigration. Ok, so who is one of the few people with power trying to do something about that? Trump. In fact, if he gave a damn about liberalism his main issue with trump would be that he's not moving fast enough or doing near enough and we'd probably be accusing him of being a groyper.

Instead, we can tell his loyalty is to the state above all due to his TDS. The postion of the state, both his and america, has been that the right is an exestential threat to their existance. And so in defense of his state he backs them up regardless of how much or little it makes sense.
 
But, more importantly and perhaps less obvious, its also to point out that liberalism MUST be stateist in order to exist in the real world. It can not protect itself if it does not have overwhelming support from its population and in order to maintain it's rule through moral concensus.
Good point. But I would add that Liberalism also needs a strong National Identity. It does not escape me that Liberalism was at its highest and most effective was post-WW2, when most Western Nations had a strong Identity. There are a lot of problems we can levy at the Boomer population, but what you can say they did right was have a strong sense of community and a shared nationality.

Globalism really did shoot Liberalism in the knees as combined with Post-modernist thinking, it has shattered the general Western Identity. Today, the most defining American traits are out an out flaws (obesity, crime ridden cities, arrogant personalities) or (and it sickens me to say this.) DEI progressivism.
 
Good point. But I would add that Liberalism also needs a strong National Identity. It does not escape me that Liberalism was at its highest and most effective was post-WW2, when most Western Nations had a strong Identity. There are a lot of problems we can levy at the Boomer population, but what you can say they did right was have a strong sense of community and a shared nationality.

Globalism really did shoot Liberalism in the knees as combined with Post-modernist thinking, it has shattered the general Western Identity. Today, the most defining American traits are out an out flaws (obesity, crime ridden cities, arrogant personalities) or (and it sickens me to say this.) DEI progressivism.

You're misreading the situation. Liberalism can't have a national identity because most nations are tied to a form or set of ethnicities and to admit diffrences in people would destory itself. Thats part of why LIberalism is so hard core in America and Europe. Not because of the national identity but the exact opposite, because of the lack of one. Or at least the lack of other national identites to properly contrast against their own and thus help them realize their own identites. I hop from In the 1970s, I hop from england, to germany, and then to america. So long as I speak the nation in all those nations I can get along with absolutly no issues. Go back to 2010, hope from Pakistan, to China, to Japan. You can still speak the language fluent in each nation and you are still fucked. Same in every nation outside the western world. The nations are defined by ethnicity and thus have very clear national identites.

The reason Liberalism took hold so well post WW2 was like I said earlier. It had overwhelming military power to enforce it's set of oresumed moral common sense. Name a single nation in europe that had anything left in terms of fight. The only thing that even comes close is the USSR. But even then Liberalism and Communism share most of the exact same foundational ideas so they werent so much competing over if liberalism os marxism was right. They were just fighting over who got the biggest chunk of land.

And again, geography too. 1950, you have a bunch of people from Africa coming over to America? See alot of Japanesse moving to france? It really shouldnt be a shock to us that things like the Groypers are poping up now that the west is having major issues with basic things like supplying soldiers or enforcing boreders.
 
So this might be petty but sometimes the best way to deal with a habitual liar is to hold fire with some of your evidence and let them talk themselves right into another ambush. Case in point now that Dev is desperately trying to claim he never called me specifically a coward for not showing up to the Whick TV stream, it is the perfect opportunity to provide a clip of him doing exactly that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y4Iv7ch8ZI0
Devon really likes to talk big game. "COWARDLY CUHCKS(...) FUHCKIN LUHSERS!". You can listen to the anger in his voice. Fucking "seethe" you fatass, you will suffer a heart attack eventually with all this malding.
Trust in the system isnt the problem. Nor is bad faith. First off Liberalism is an ideaology and it and whatever the system is are two different things. In theory you could have a liberal dictator ship just like in theory you could have a working communism.
A good example is Napoleon Bonaparte. A "necessary evil" with the regime of terror that was going on in France. He had to step in to cull the idealogues who were out of control. In fact people should be studying how ideas for the "freedom and liberty" are just as corrosive compared to "tyranny" - as the former is imperceptible and one loses itself in pathetic ideas. Instead of firing squads, you get people who are apathetic and are narcissistic, post-nationalistic and are borderline sociopathic who think merely about themselves. The classic "ME, ME ME!!! WHAT ABOUT ME!!! I WANT TO USE DRUGS, DESTROY MYSELF AND HAVE NO ONE TELL ME OTHERWISE!". We have this in excess in the 21st century, Devon is a textbook example, despite claiming to worship "the system".
There's a reason why Paul speaks in his epistles about why a Christian must have "Liberty in Christ": we become yoked in Jesus Christ's servants' as He had said that "His burden is light (Matthew 11:30). The alternative is to be ensnared by anarcho-tyrannical governments, which decides that one time it has one set of rules, the other time - another. And this is enough to drive people mad.

One may wonder "Well, yet we still have to suffer with tyrannical governments regardless, per Romans 13. Yes, yet your moral compass will be dictated by Jesus Christ & Christian law in general, and Christ's burden will make your life much easier, compared to living a libertine and "easy" life.
Globalism really did shoot Liberalism in the knees as combined with Post-modernist thinking, it has shattered the general Western Identity. Today, the most defining American traits are out an out flaws (obesity, crime ridden cities, arrogant personalities) or (and it sickens me to say this.) DEI progressivism.
And I'm glad it did. God makes a fool out of every ideology there it exists. Enlightenment ideals thought we could look at humanism and perhaps govern ourselves, and all it took was 300 years of history to prove otherwise.
 
I think you guys are also failing to look at Dev from a class analysis. Trotsky put it best in explaining Dev's authoritarianism

"Not every exasperated petty bourgeois could have become Hitler, but a particle of Hitler is lodged in every exasperated petty bourgeois."

Dev through wholly isolating himself from the Proletariat but still clearly exasperated (I cant imagine his youtube channel is pulling in tons of money). This explains his authoritarianism imo, he due to his personal and economic failings lashes out in favor of the State in whatever form wholly benefits his Petite Bourgeois class. Thats why he praises Ruby Ridge, supports a blatantly corrupt FBI (and still is, Massie2028, Kash needs to be put on trial), etc. He due to his reliance on the institutions, worships them, modern day Liberalism is just a less Nationalist form of Fascism (and even then, it's not that far off, just look at the support for Israel).

Also Dev is an idealist cuck and a retard who actually buys "le Marx is woke" and Sorel was a fascist.
 
Dev0n's totally not blasted about Aydin, no siree.

He is trying way too hard to proof that this girl here is CameraLady, but didn't he said she was a cute mute lesbian? Something ain't right.

Also following the money lead me to fucking Boulder Matt trying to latch on on TAL, no joke.

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Dev doesn't bring the url of this stream with camera lady there, I think that's just someone else or Dave's girlfriend or even Lillith, sorry but Dev is a pathological liar, we need to do forensics (putting evidence to the test).
 
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He starts his why I am libtard video with this. :story:


Freedom of speech - call man in dress man and you will see what happens .
freedom of religion - but some religions are more equal than others. In UK you can be pedophile in pedo marriage and it is OK as long as you are muslim.
freedom of the press -
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MwQ3sMiwoj0 enough said.
freedom of association - as long as you are not on Trump rally then you deserve to be shot.
free travel - Covid.
privacy rights -
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limited government - kek how much useless bureaucracy there is in Canada.
consent of the governed -
And let's not get started on all other ways libtards past 10+ years to subverted popular will. To maintain their status quo.
I could deboonk rest of "liberal values (tm)" , but I can't be bothered right now
Yeah, I have no idea why Dev would conflate the modern term "liberal" with its past usage. Sure, the founding fathers may have been liberals of their day, holding to enlightenment ideas like power coming from the people, but the modern term has shifted with politics over such a large time frame that to try and associate it with the old ideals is an act of futility. The modern liberal merely wants an elitist cabal in place of the monarchy, one where their ideology will dominate the rest of society with no regard for any sense of freedom.
biological diffrences between men and women then we have to admit there might be biologically in built diffrences between blacks and whites
There is nothing to suggest that sexual dimorphism, or biological differences between the sexes, which is found in every single species with two sexes, proves racial dimorphism, which is found in zero species. Race is not a biological concept; there was no scientist who proved that racial categories existed. Instead, the earliest accounts of so-called races come from figures like François Bernier, who observed different phenotypes while traveling and grouped them into so-called races. Bernier grouped these groups primarily on his perception of their similarity in appearance, grouping all of the entirety of the African continent together despite it being more genetically diverse internally than entire groups are to each other, such as Asians and Europeans. This, as the origin of race shows, has an inherent flaw: it has no basis in genetic fact but is rather a social myth from a desire to group phenotypically similar groups. Ethnicity exists, haplogroups exist, and genotypes exist, but race does not.

"The biological fact of race and the myth of 'race' should be distinguished. For all practical social purposes, 'race' is not so much a biological phenomenon as a social myth." -1950 UNESCO
 
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There is nothing to suggest that sexual dimorphism, or biological differences between the sexes, which is found in every single species with two sexes, proves racial dimorphism, which is found in zero species. Race is not a biological concept; there was no scientist who proved that racial categories existed. Instead, the earliest accounts of so-called races come from figures like François Bernier, who observed different phenotypes while traveling and grouped them into so-called races. Bernier grouped these groups primarily on his perception of their similarity in appearance, grouping all of the entirety of the African continent together despite it being more genetically diverse internally than entire groups are to each other, such as Asians and Europeans. This, as the origin of race shows, has an inherent flaw: it has no basis in genetic fact but is rather a social myth from a desire to group phenotypically similar groups. Ethnicity exists, haplogroups exist, and genotypes exist, but race does not.

"The biological fact of race and the myth of 'race' should be distinguished. For all practical social purposes, 'race' is not so much a biological phenomenon as a social myth." -1950 UNESCO
First off if any group tied to the united nations has said it, chances are 9 times out of 10 it's just garbage and something they're using to try to molest more kids.

But seriously, go back and read everything I said again. You can call it phenotype, haplogroups, genotypes, blacks and whites, but the point is all still the same. You admit that there can be biological differences between some humans then you open the door to saying there are biological differences between others. It doesn't mean these differences have to be huge in order to pose a major threat to Liberalism. Blacks don't need to have a third arm growing out of their fore head. They just need to have physical identifiers that separate them from other groups of people and cause any kind of disparate outcome to break the myth of humans being completely interchangeable units. Slight differences in muscle density, issues drinking milk, lower rates of skin cancer, higher rates of heart disease, ect ect.

And keep in mind, these differences dont even need to be real to pose a threat. Only the belief needs to be there. That's why so many major lefties fight tooth and nail to get everyone to say men and women are "Equal." Because they aren't, and the left can never change that. But it's about ideology so it's only important that everyone believe that so liberalism can survive. Again, if you have overwhelming support and power over those who disagree, the side effects of reality meeting your ideology can be waved away.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=sQGGBxL_YeoFinally social parasite found new friend who will tolerate his presence ( for now)
I do think it's interesting to see where Dev is ending up. Unless someone watches this guy's stuff, surface level impression is he's just early 2010s atheist/liberal content. It's like Dev is trying to fall back to what for him would have been better time.

Which in some ways is semi shocking. I can't think of a topic less relevant to the modern west than bashing religon.

Unless it's Islam. But looking at the comment section, there's a comment or two about how it's not shocking the right is full of tards. So something tells me they aren't railing on the car-bombistanis.

Edit: Holy fucking shit. I've watched like ten minutes of this after Dev joins (which is like 40 mins or so in) and this is just reddit in video form. The guests have been giving various feilds rankings from 1-100. STEM got a 100 and apparently religon gets a negative 30 because it has nothing to offer.

They are also treating the right wing and religon as kind of interchangable. And the one that blew my mind? "There is right wing discrimination, and maybe there needs to be slightly less of it, esspecially from the bias from the TAs. Um, but most of it's justified because they are stupid."

Yeah man, you're entire world politically is burning down around you. So maybe if you toss some more gas on that bridge it'll put the fire out.

And dev is apparently saying he agrees with most of what the guest named "Soypill" says. I think. who like ten minutes after dev said he agrees with him on most things went on to say that if you are right wing or reglious you deserve more descrimination and not less. It can be a bit hard to sort out exactly whos who on the pannel since they arent really labeled. Regardless the guy just says that and no one even bats an eye or gives him push back so......I guess everyone is ok with it.

Edit Edit: So yes, the guy that Dev says he agrees with is going by the name "Soypill". And they are lightly tossing around the theory that a recent claim of descrimination in a college class based on religous affiliation might be an attempt to distract from the charlie kirk shooting......for some reason. Dev is certainly in the company of fellow insane people.
 
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They are also treating the right wing and religon as kind of interchangable. And the one that blew my mind? "There is right wing discrimination, and maybe there needs to be slightly less of it, esspecially from the bias from the TAs. Um, but most of it's justified because they are stupid.
First thing you will see when you click on his channel is video about virtues of shoplifting. So this is not suprising
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Funny thing is prior to French Revolution what is now seen as ideal socialist society . Classless , equal , egalitarian, with wealth being goverment owned. Was mainly pushed by radical Christian groups . I will use Hussites and more specifically Taborite faction as example . They were proto-Protestants in 15th century Bohemia.
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During the Cold War Communist Party of Czechoslovakia styled themselves as inheritors of Hussites . This lead to bizare situation . When party used in their propaganda religious figures like Jan Hus and at same time they pretty much wiped out christianity in the Country.
For more modern example there is liberation theology
Combination of Christianity and Progressive left wing policies.
Anyway I will stop sperging now .My point is you can be Christian and be leftist and you can be atheist and be rightwing
 
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