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With Early Access being a viable business model that seems like it could jeopardize their livelihood.
Yes. When gamers will literally pay to bugtest and playtest some games, why have a bitchy QA department? And at some point AI testing will be enough of a thing that companies will just pay a subscription fee to the AI company.

These people get to work in games, which is what they want, but they complain about the pay. Why didn't they learn to code? Why didn't they learn to draw? There's a skillshare ad on half the Youtube channels. Get some skills!

But the mismanagement in the gaming industry is also comical. They really should let QA communicate with the people who are in charge of fixing the bugs. You have to trust your people and listen to them. These AAA studios never seem to understand that, regardless of if they're run by suits or former game designers.

I was at Kotaku for reasons, and well...

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Throughout the preview session, I couldn’t shake one feeling: Stray isn’t an adventure game in which you play as a cat. Stray is an adventure game in which you are a cat, right down to the stuff you do in-game.

Swann Matin-Raget, a producer at Blue Twelve, played through roughly 20 minutes of Stray, narrating several segments from a selection of levels throughout the game. (Though Stray is partially open-world, it’ll also feature more traditional, seemingly linear stages.) Much of the quote-unquote gameplay centers around some extremely typical feline behavior. You can push bottles and jars off counters. You can disrupt a board game played by two robots, sending wooden pieces scattering in a flurry.

There’s also a legit mechanic in which you scratch all the things cats like to scratch: the carpet, the sofa, anything else that frays easily and also just so happens to be held dear to your heart. By alternating the right and left triggers on your controller, you can sharpen your claws on a litany of in-game objects. This isn’t just cosmetic, either. At one point, Matin-Raget clawed at a nondescript door in a neon-lit alley. A few seconds passed. A robot opened the door. That’s how you progress into certain inaccessible areas.

“I’m doing something very unrealistic here [in] that I’m entering straight away,” Matin-Raget said. “You know any cat would probably wait 10 to 20 minutes before doing so.”

It makes sense that the folks at Blue Twelve are so well-positioned to adeptly capture what it means to be a cat, seeing as many of the members of the studio have cats of their own.
Stupid Cat Game is going to be all over twitter and reddit with people posting videos of their cats pawing at the screen. AAA studios will start putting cats in games to follow around their lesbian protagonists. Kotaku will run articles titled "White Supremacists Have A Problem With Aloy's Pussy (Yes, Really)".
 
How are we supposed to escape the infinite poz at this point? I've set limits on myself, going back to around 2008 and earlier just to avoid seeing a bunch of flagrantly faggot characters. I've avoided reading most everything online about games in general. I've limited myself on Steam to only games in my backlog because I don't even want to run across another Dream Daddy Date Fuck Sim on Steam.

Yet, it's not enough. Everything gaming related has become pozzed. Don't believe me? How does a game distribution service from fucking Poland even get pozzed to this degree?
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If we're to believe Wikipedia, they're one of the strictest countries in the EU on gay rights, yet here we are.

Now, I know the typical response to this is just to switch hobbies, that this has always been a fag infested hobby and it always will be. My response to that is go to a book store. The legendary "just read books bro" has been replaced by women and queers flocking to the newest LGBT book table. Used bookstores have pushed old, pulpy adventure and crime novels out and replaced them with women/queer literature. It's just as bad, if not worse.

People want to pretend that they can just pivot away from what was their main hobby since childhood. Just become a woodworker, bro, like come on, it's manly. Do you honestly give a shit about woodcarving? Do you? I haven't met a single person in my life that truly did it beyond having the tools and claiming they did. I wish I could become a dude that watches axe reviews on YouTube and cuts down trees for fun, but that's just never going to happen.
 
How are we supposed to escape the infinite poz at this point? I've set limits on myself, going back to around 2008 and earlier just to avoid seeing a bunch of flagrantly faggot characters. I've avoided reading most everything online about games in general. I've limited myself on Steam to only games in my backlog because I don't even want to run across another Dream Daddy Date Fuck Sim on Steam.

Yet, it's not enough. Everything gaming related has become pozzed. Don't believe me? How does a game distribution service from fucking Poland even get pozzed to this degree?
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If we're to believe Wikipedia, they're one of the strictest countries in the EU on gay rights, yet here we are.

Now, I know the typical response to this is just to switch hobbies, that this has always been a fag infested hobby and it always will be. My response to that is go to a book store. The legendary "just read books bro" has been replaced by women and queers flocking to the newest LGBT book table. Used bookstores have pushed old, pulpy adventure and crime novels out and replaced them with women/queer literature. It's just as bad, if not worse.

People want to pretend that they can just pivot away from what was their main hobby since childhood. Just become a woodworker, bro, like come on, it's manly. Do you honestly give a shit about woodcarving? Do you? I haven't met a single person in my life that truly did it beyond having the tools and claiming they did. I wish I could become a dude that watches axe reviews on YouTube and cuts down trees for fun, but that's just never going to happen.
The issue is is that so many are demoralized, and always fighting a rearguard action, always retreating, always giving way. Why not present a pitched battle to fight back, a campaign to take items of importance, and a cultural theater of war to snatch back entire industries, interests, hobbies?
 
The issue is is that so many are demoralized, and always fighting a rearguard action, always retreating, always giving way. Why not present a pitched battle to fight back, a campaign to take items of importance, and a cultural theater of war to snatch back entire industries, interests, hobbies?
The reason people don't seem to be trying is simply because we're banned everywhere. They've completely blocked it out. We'll always have the old games, and it's not difficult to get them without spending, but new games coming out that aren't pandering on purpose are almost non-existent. It's just the truth. The only option would be to "make ur own gaemz", but I have a life outside of my hobbies, which are supposed to be for enjoyment and relaxation. I'm not going to pivot into being a game dev now to fix the issue.

There's no way to stand up and fight back, because all of the platforms are controlled, alt-tech isn't taking off, and the distribution services themselves are actively in on the subversion. There's never been a time when people have actually given an example of how to fight back. Make YouTube videos 8 times a day like the Quartering about how pandering is stupid? Make sure you keep it milquetoast enough to stay on YouTube. Post epic gamer rants on Odyssee that might see 5 views in 6 months? Bitchute?

I'm not trying to target you specifically or anything, I'm just saying there's no real way to "push forward" and take anything back when the people concerned with these issues are immediately banned from everything, sterilized as though we don't exist, and those that aren't savvy enough to notice are just absorbing the propaganda in things like Sony exclusives and are none the wiser.

Hell, the Domina dev who was doing some fighting back got banned off everything except Steam for talking about how men can never be women, without even having uploaded anything onto them. He was banned from bandcamp, for posting his thoughts in his games Steam patch notes. That's what we're facing, corporations with 99.9% market shares that don't even begin to budge when an alt-tech company challenges it.
 
How are we supposed to escape the infinite poz at this point? I've set limits on myself, going back to around 2008 and earlier just to avoid seeing a bunch of flagrantly faggot characters. I've avoided reading most everything online about games in general. I've limited myself on Steam to only games in my backlog because I don't even want to run across another Dream Daddy Date Fuck Sim on Steam.

Yet, it's not enough. Everything gaming related has become pozzed. Don't believe me? How does a game distribution service from fucking Poland even get pozzed to this degree?
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If we're to believe Wikipedia, they're one of the strictest countries in the EU on gay rights, yet here we are.

Now, I know the typical response to this is just to switch hobbies, that this has always been a fag infested hobby and it always will be. My response to that is go to a book store. The legendary "just read books bro" has been replaced by women and queers flocking to the newest LGBT book table. Used bookstores have pushed old, pulpy adventure and crime novels out and replaced them with women/queer literature. It's just as bad, if not worse.

People want to pretend that they can just pivot away from what was their main hobby since childhood. Just become a woodworker, bro, like come on, it's manly. Do you honestly give a shit about woodcarving? Do you? I haven't met a single person in my life that truly did it beyond having the tools and claiming they did. I wish I could become a dude that watches axe reviews on YouTube and cuts down trees for fun, but that's just never going to happen.
How? It's simple, nuke America

Because all these trends are amerimutt nonsense
 
I've limited myself on Steam to only games in my backlog because I don't even want to run across another Dream Daddy Date Fuck Sim on Steam.
While I kind of agree with the overall sentiment, if you're going that far I think you might be the problem.

On steam you can block the LGBTQ+ tag. Even without that, did you act this way when you saw those cringy christian games back in the day, or did you ignore them to get the next Metal Gear Solid?

The only option would be to "make ur own gaemz", but I have a life outside of my hobbies, which are supposed to be for enjoyment and relaxation. I'm not going to pivot into being a game dev now to fix the issue.

There's no way to stand up and fight back
There's never been a time when people have actually given an example of how to fight back.
They did. You even listed one right there. It's just you don't want to take the options provided because that would require a modicum of effort.

I'm fine missing out on new AAA games because AAA games offer me nothing. I'm not like ResetEra where missing out on "the zeitgeist" or "the conversation" is far more important to them than having a good time.

I know many here consider Razorfist to be a lolcow, but his video on the subject is one that you should listen to.
 
While I kind of agree with the overall sentiment, if you're going that far I think you might be the problem.

On steam you can block the LGBTQ+ tag. Even without that, did you act this way when you saw those cringy christian games back in the day, or did you ignore them to get the next Metal Gear Solid?
Tbf I get the idea that he's referring to games that pander to said groups in general in which case I'd have to agree with him.

It's pretty hard to find a game that isn't "woke" especially given that even "based" Japan removed the words "male and "female" and made everything available to both "bodytypes" in all their current titles and good luck with western AAA gaming and this is just on the character creation side! Also the Christian fundies never really had a massive sway in gaming culture, even when I was growing up most developers simply ignored them and that simply isn't the case here.

At the very least the ESRB could play catch up and make it more apparent to potential buyers what they're getting into but that isn't gonna happen either it seems.
 
The reason people don't seem to be trying is simply because we're banned everywhere. They've completely blocked it out. We'll always have the old games, and it's not difficult to get them without spending, but new games coming out that aren't pandering on purpose are almost non-existent. It's just the truth. The only option would be to "make ur own gaemz", but I have a life outside of my hobbies, which are supposed to be for enjoyment and relaxation. I'm not going to pivot into being a game dev now to fix the issue.

There's no way to stand up and fight back, because all of the platforms are controlled, alt-tech isn't taking off, and the distribution services themselves are actively in on the subversion. There's never been a time when people have actually given an example of how to fight back. Make YouTube videos 8 times a day like the Quartering about how pandering is stupid? Make sure you keep it milquetoast enough to stay on YouTube. Post epic gamer rants on Odyssee that might see 5 views in 6 months? Bitchute?

I'm not trying to target you specifically or anything, I'm just saying there's no real way to "push forward" and take anything back when the people concerned with these issues are immediately banned from everything, sterilized as though we don't exist, and those that aren't savvy enough to notice are just absorbing the propaganda in things like Sony exclusives and are none the wiser.

Hell, the Domina dev who was doing some fighting back got banned off everything except Steam for talking about how men can never be women, without even having uploaded anything onto them. He was banned from bandcamp, for posting his thoughts in his games Steam patch notes. That's what we're facing, corporations with 99.9% market shares that don't even begin to budge when an alt-tech company challenges it.

Start your own business, fund your own anti LGBTQ+ and stop overdosing on the wokeness blackpill. This is why I am starting to hate the early Millennials complaining about wokeness in media is they have done nothing but bitch and whine about moves their enemies are making while just whittling away the hours hoping for some improvement

Things aren't getting better and your two choices is to drop the hobby altogether and focus your free time on politics and funding homophobic politicians in hopes they spend money to crush the faggots or start your own business to defy wokeness in video games.
 
Tbf I get the idea that he's referring to games that pander to said groups in general in which case I'd have to agree with him.

It's pretty hard to find a game that isn't "woke" especially given that even "based" Japan removed the words "male and "female" and made everything available to both "bodytypes" in all their current titles and good luck with western AAA gaming and this is just on the character creation side! Also the Christian fundies never really had a massive sway in gaming culture, even when I was growing up most developers simply ignored them and that simply isn't the case here.

At the very least the ESRB could play catch up and make it more apparent to potential buyers what they're getting into but that isn't gonna happen either it seems.
This, exactly. Games have moved rapidly away from normalcy. Indies didn't fix this issue, yet everyone cites indies as the savior. People have forgotten that AA games even existed. We didn't have to dodge Christian fundie games, I never even knew about a good portion of them until the mid-00s internet was digging them up to laugh. Telling me that's the same as LGBT games, or simply pozzed games in general, is disingenuous. I'm not even blackpilled, yet it's the leap that people make every time it comes up about video games. Pretend there's no issue all you want, pretend there's based af ultra super redpilled game devs out there fighting the good fight, they're not.

Outside of my hobbies, I have a full and fulfilling life. My point is that this system people are purporting to work isn't working. People don't even look anymore. People take silence to mean people don't support this shit or slip it in. They don't look at anything outside of game marketing before dropping another bunch of cash. If, and I mean a very small if, these people that makes games aren't pozzed hard, their publishers are, and they're getting pushed towards homogeneous pozzing themselves.

It's the same arguments every time, but I bet you if you look a bit behind the curtain, you'll be shocked to find that it's spread everywhere, and you just have a much higher poz resistance than people like me, which I suppose for your sake is a good thing.

Even the games for history obsessed Nazi larpers are pozzed to the brim now, and people are still going "you're not looking hard enough, elect politicians, make your own game, indies saved the gaming market!"
 
People have forgotten that AA games even existed.
No they haven't. Most publishers since Call of Duty don't see them as viable. Everything has to make Call of Duty 4 money, or it's considered an obscure failure. Films have the same problem. There are no mid budget films any more, you either watch 250 million dollar capeshit, or you're watching some student film made for $5 and a hand me down camera.

Then there's the argument of what is a "AA" or "middle market" game. Do FromSoftware games count? How about Nier, Bayonetta, or Riftbreaker?

There is a problem with those lamenting the death of the middle market and want it back is being unwilling to support AA games when they do appear for asinine reasons.

My point is that this system people are purporting to work isn't working.
How is not working? Looking at comic books again, do you think Disney is agressively cutting costs at their parks and adding advertisements to Disney+ because they're making money? The ESG piper will have to be paid some day.

you just have a much higher poz resistance than people like me,
There's a phrase I like when it comes to this. "If you beat a dog, you can't blame it for flinching when you raise your hand." At the same time, it's possible to oversensitive to this stuff. You see this with old games that are considered "woke" or "based" by today's standards despite being fairly normal back then.

people are still going "you're not looking hard enough, elect politicians, make your own game, indies saved the gaming market!"
Yes, because blackpillers do the same thing over and over. "I've tried nothing and I'm out of ideas."

So, we give options, and each one is systematically shot down not with legitimate complaints, but with dumb complaints that make the motive of the blackpilled clear. They aren't interested in solutions to their problem. They just want to wallow in self pity and drag as many people down to their level as they can.

Let's look at two suggestions as examples. Play japanese games, and play older games. Instead of legitimate issues, they just complain about "mah grafix" or say that Japanese games are "weeb shit" before going back to copy-pasted Assassins Creed sequels.

At a certain point, it's easier for people like me to wash our hands of blackpillers.
 
Also the Chinks shoot down your argument as well. How the fuck can a bunch of extremely oppressed tech otaku chinks go from making cheap mobile game to a franchise and one of the biggest mobile gaming giants and plenty of non pozzed shit?

Instead what we have as what Judge Dress said, unaccomplished blackpilled millennials who will never start their own company. Willing to believe what horror stories they are told and keep their head down
 
You've both built strawmen about me and everyone else that are actually correct about the state of games being worse to do the very thing you claim we're doing. Your heads are in the sand, playing pretend that everything is fine, or at the very least, salvageable. Your solutions aren't solutions, or, are solutions I referenced in my very first post that I already follow. Repeatedly telling people that are discussing video games that they're unaccomplished with literally no evidence is without a hint of irony, schizophrenic. Completely illogical to the point that I'm able to just laugh at you.

It's crazy to me that what I posted about Polish distribution services spreading gay propaganda could even come under this kind of scrutiny unless it actually does scare you and you don't actually know what to do, just like the rest of us. It's fascinating to watch people flounder about with Tucker Carlson-esque "just do something" rhetoric without any actual points. I get it, things aren't great, but it's sheer projection to claim people have their heads down. I'm actually finding this shit in basically every corner of the market.

To further my point, people never specify which indie games are positively enforcing the market, which have actually been able to avoid the wall of pozzed trash. It's just nebulous "indie games". Why? It's because almost every one of them is a pozzed entity, or being published by a pozzed entity, and they won't bite the hand that feeds.

I believe, with all your vagueries and strawmen, that neither of you truly believe what you're posting. Judge Dredd claiming it's a "modicum of effort" to start developing games is just hilarious. In a few short years, you'll finally grow weary of it too, if you haven't already and you're just posting to make yourself believe it. It's not being blackpilled to actually face the reality of the world. Facing facts is what everyone should do.

I mean, really, acting like everyone with complaints is wallowing in self pity is pretty hilarious, considering the posts I've made aren't even close to that. It's projection, plain and simple.

Now, when do I get links to those games you've both made? Or you don't have to, because you're happy with the game industry? Which is it?
 
Start your own business, fund your own anti LGBTQ+ and stop overdosing on the wokeness blackpill. This is why I am starting to hate the early Millennials complaining about wokeness in media is they have done nothing but bitch and whine about moves their enemies are making while just whittling away the hours hoping for some improvement

Things aren't getting better and your two choices is to drop the hobby altogether and focus your free time on politics and funding homophobic politicians in hopes they spend money to crush the faggots or start your own business to defy wokeness in video games.
No bank would fund that nor would any payment processor allow you to get paid or use them to pay your employees.
 
You've both built strawmen about me and everyone else that are actually correct about the state of games being worse to do the very thing you claim we're doing. Your heads are in the sand, playing pretend that everything is fine, or at the very least, salvageable. Your solutions aren't solutions, or, are solutions I referenced in my very first post that I already follow. Repeatedly telling people that are discussing video games that they're unaccomplished with literally no evidence is without a hint of irony, schizophrenic. Completely illogical to the point that I'm able to just laugh at you.

It's crazy to me that what I posted about Polish distribution services spreading gay propaganda could even come under this kind of scrutiny unless it actually does scare you and you don't actually know what to do, just like the rest of us. It's fascinating to watch people flounder about with Tucker Carlson-esque "just do something" rhetoric without any actual points. I get it, things aren't great, but it's sheer projection to claim people have their heads down. I'm actually finding this shit in basically every corner of the market.

To further my point, people never specify which indie games are positively enforcing the market, which have actually been able to avoid the wall of pozzed trash. It's just nebulous "indie games". Why? It's because almost every one of them is a pozzed entity, or being published by a pozzed entity, and they won't bite the hand that feeds.

I believe, with all your vagueries and strawmen, that neither of you truly believe what you're posting. Judge Dredd claiming it's a "modicum of effort" to start developing games is just hilarious. In a few short years, you'll finally grow weary of it too, if you haven't already and you're just posting to make yourself believe it. It's not being blackpilled to actually face the reality of the world. Facing facts is what everyone should do.

I mean, really, acting like everyone with complaints is wallowing in self pity is pretty hilarious, considering the posts I've made aren't even close to that. It's projection, plain and simple.

Now, when do I get links to those games you've both made? Or you don't have to, because you're happy with the game industry? Which is it?
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Now, I know the typical response to this is just to switch hobbies, that this has always been a fag infested hobby and it always will be. My response to that is go to a book store. The legendary "just read books bro" has been replaced by women and queers flocking to the newest LGBT book table. Used bookstores have pushed old, pulpy adventure and crime novels out and replaced them with women/queer literature. It's just as bad, if not worse.
All you do is whine, bro. You're acting like you're some kind of realist, but you're just a lazy black-pilled loser. Just buying a non-pozzed book is too much for you to overcome. Why exactly should anyone take your complaints seriously when buying an e-reader and downloading a bunch of books that are unpozzed enough for your tastes is just too much trouble? Why can't you buy a used book you like even if there's a book table for homos and women? Just close your eyes and stumble your way over to a different section of the book store, retard.
 
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All you do is whine, bro. You're acting like you're some kind of realist, but you're just a lazy black-pilled loser. Just buying a non-pozzed book is too much for you to overcome. Why exactly should anyone take your complaints seriously when buying an e-reader and downloading a bunch of books that are unpozzed enough for your tastes is just too much trouble? Why can't you buy a used book you like even if there's a book table for homos and women? Just close your eyes ant stumble your way over to a different section of the book store, reterd.
You're simply okay with it. You'll be pushed further and further to left, accepting more and more. There's no line for people like you, it's just a slow march, and you don't even realize it. You're just assuming, yet again, that I don't do these things. I have an ebook full of great books from decades ago. You know why this isn't enough? Because society itself is pushing it all out. You can hole yourself up with as much based literature as you want, and read it till the end of times, but the outside world isn't staying there. You're going right along with them. You unironically said just close your eyes. You're already there, and for some reason, people in a thread about culture wars don't want to be confronted with reality. I guess this is just a Quartering central thread.

Enjoy your white pills. I'm sure that hope and fairy dust will see you through.
 
You're simply okay with it. You'll be pushed further and further to left, accepting more and more. There's no line for people like you, it's just a slow march, and you don't even realize it. You're just assuming, yet again, that I don't do these things. I have an ebook full of great books from decades ago. You know why this isn't enough? Because society itself is pushing it all out. You can hole yourself up with as much based literature as you want, and read it till the end of times, but the outside world isn't staying there. You're going right along with them. You unironically said just close your eyes. You're already there, and for some reason, people in a thread about culture wars don't want to be confronted with reality. I guess this is just a Quartering central thread.

Enjoy your white pills. I'm sure that hope and fairy dust will see you through.
Most people think all this pozzed stuff is bullshit, and that's in the left-wing cities. The average person thinks that faggy gays are annoying, and trans people are weird, and the only think stopping you from hearing it is that you're only socializing on tech platforms and probably very left wing places like schools or businesses that depend on investments from woke moneymen at BlackRock.

My local thrift store has a whole section of Golden Eagle pulp books, and any time I throw out a based take to someone who isn't a 20-30 year old single woman they at least crack a smile. Believe it or not but just because there are a ton of very visibly degenerate things going on in the world doesn't mean that there's no hope.

You highlighted my "just close your eyes" joke, but you missed my point, my point wasn't that you should close your eyes and pretend everything is fine, my point is that those pozzed tables celebrating women and homos are surrounded with aisles and aisles full of good books, and the store is filled with people who rolled their eyes when they saw the pozzed table on their way to the good books the store is filled with.
 
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