Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

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Wormy said:
Your point?

Again, your point?

Annnd, I need to let this affect my personal artistic tastes, why again? Am I not allowed to enjoy a certain style in the fantasy I consume because it didn't play out that way often in history?
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Women in full body functional armor were not widespread. So wanting it functional is a bit of an oxymoron since more or less the suits of armor were mostly adapted from existing male suits. If there was personalized armor like what some european nobility had, it was for the majority of the time decorative purposes, which meant the function was aesthetics.

The TLDR is, female armor has less historical ties like male armor does and was more of an outlier. Basically both a full body suit or bikini armor would be both correct under the factual circumstances.
 
Marissa Moira said:
Nobody's dictating your tastes
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You're the one saying "ACKSTUALLY" and saying how history was in response to it.
Marissa Moira said:
, it's just asking for functional armor for females has mostly been something that's always primarily influenced by fiction.
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And you've yet to show how this is a problem. Though hey, you're welcome to make a case as to why I should prefer chainmail bikini's instead.

Also for the record, I have a house with several Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetti art pieces, so....
 
Wormy said:
You're the one saying "ACKSTUALLY" and saying how history was in response to it.

And you've yet to show how this is a problem. Though hey, you're welcome to make a case as to why I should prefer chainmail bikini's instead.

Also for the record, I have a house with several Boris Vallejo and Frank Frazetti art pieces, so....
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It's not a problem, I said both styles would be correct since making functional female armor had no real historical standard compared to male armor. So you can make up the suit parts as you go along to whatever you want. It's basically like Calvinball but with blacksmithing.
 
Marissa Moira said:
It's not a problem, I said both styles would be correct since making functional female armor had no real historical standard compared to male armor. So you can make up the suit parts as you go along to whatever you want. It's basically like Calvinball but with blacksmithing.
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Still, nothing wrong with asking that, if you're female and for whatever reason you're about to go into battle against people with big nasty cutlery, do you go with this...
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or this...
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(and like said Vallejos and Frazettis, I loves me some Red Sonja, but I just find functional armor that much hotter. Also, Red Sonja as a character was so damned good she really didn't need it)
 
Wormy said:
Still, nothing wrong with asking that, if you're female and for whatever reason you're about to go into battle against people with big nasty cutlery, do you go with this...
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or this...
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(and like said Vallejos and Frazettis, I loves me some Red Sonja, but I just find functional armor that much hotter. Also, Red Sonja as a character was so damned good she really didn't need it)
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Yeah both styles are equally functional, because both have to take creative liberties in order to work. The whole argument that bikini style armor is unrealistic just doesn't match up because on the opposing end having a woman fully adorned in a suit of armor is also as unrealistic. Both are products of popular culture one doesn't have any more legitimacy as the other. In the end it's up to the creator what they want to use.

I mean the best armor any female character can wear is plot armor at the end of the day.

Having a sculpted boob plate and the like also wouldn't be that far removed either, because you had very elaborate cod pieces for men's armor. So armor reflecting sexual dimorphism has been a real thing.
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Marissa Moira said:
Yeah both styles are equally functional, because both have to take creative liberties in order to work.
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Not really. Which one is more likely to keep you alive if you get hit with a blade?
 
Wormy said:
Which one's gonna give you the better AC though? (_____ of Protection don't fucking count in this case!)
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There exists laws of physics that dictate that an object of the exact same build and type as another can achieve faster than normal speed if all it has is a red paint job.

You could theorize that such a concept can work in a myriad of ways including defense if it's justified by a uterine force.
 
I still stand by the fact that the minute they tried to politicize Lara Croft‘s video game pixels in the first PS1 versions of the game, that’s when you realize that this Culture War thing was a mistake from the get-go.
 
Part of the reason women didn't fight-even ignoring the clear physical differences as well as social attitudes was because of the risk entailed. Going to war and losing 50,000 men is a tragedy, losing 50,000 women in a single day is a near extinction level calamity. That's women who won't be having children and thus ensuring the nation, tribe or kingdom survives.

Not to mention-fantasy especially has often a very sanitized idea of what war is like-its not all or even mostly glorious battles, its camping in the mud, digging ditches and marching for hundreds of miles.

Imagine women in Alexander the great's army, marching from Greece to India. Now realize how frailer women are, how much more emotionally vulnerable, as well as things like pregnancies, STIs and menstrual cycles. Imagine females trying to stay upright in the Gedrosian desert, or crossing the Hindu kush mountains, or braving India's jungles. Looks absurd doesn't it?

Even if you invented a fantasy egalitarian nation-it would inevitably struggle for these reasons, so most pop culture fantasy/anime/video games don't address the grind work of what being a warrior or soldier entailed. The non combat risks, as well as the clear demographic ones-the Romans losing 80,000 men is something replaceable-80,000 young women dying at Cannae is genuinely apocalyptic-men can be replaced due how human reproduction works, mass female losses would destroy a society's ability to perpetuate itself.

Even the mythical Amazons had male slaves, and cut off (at least one IIRC of their breasts). The only way to make women equal in pre modern combat times-is to make them superhuman in some form or another, which is fine depending on setting.

But don't let anyone tell you women could fight or even wanted too in an era where holding a pike mattered, where keeping your kit on your back in snow and burning heat was expected, and where discipline wasn't admonishment-it was a lashing.

Women simply would not have survived either physically or psychologically in pre modern warfare in any large scale.
 
Marissa Moira said:
It's not a problem, I said both styles would be correct since making functional female armor had no real historical standard compared to male armor. So you can make up the suit parts as you go along to whatever you want. It's basically like Calvinball but with blacksmithing.
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Shut up, NZNigger.
 
NotJewishWario said:
A twitter account called The Watch (@HelpKeepWatch) have announced themselves as "A community watch fighting racism in gaming, starting with Call of Duty". Many users are comparing this to Bully Hunters.

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This sounds like someone started a honey pot.

I mean they're basically asking people to moderate the games for free and it looks like they would have to organize online in places where your data would be easily collected in the first place.

They're not backed by any major brands either so this is in no way an official thing from activision/microsoft by the sound of it. I would avoid both joining and antagonizing them, because I'm certain they want the personal data for people on both sides. Not only that but Microsoft already has fairly entrenched reporting mechanisms to begin with.
 
Killing racism in gaming starts and stops strictly with the crowd you yourself keep. Nothing else.
 
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