Communism debate nuance edition

[MMS-China]

Deflection post invalid.

Like yours that support the fact Holodomor happened and killed 4 million Ukrainians? You responded with semantics and claimed that there is ex Nazi and Ukrainians collusion inflated the numbers without sources, good job dear college liberal.

Despite being Falun Gong, you can find economic statistics, weibo and WeChat sources to show how decline of CCP affects the common man. Generic fallacy at work.
Additional sources are available

A December 26, 1977, investigative report in the New York Times described the scope of the CIA’s global campaign to influence opinion through media manipulation. “In its persistent efforts to shape world opinion, the C.I.A. has been able to call upon” an extensive network “of newspapers, news services, magazines, publishing houses, broadcasting stations and other entities over which it has at various limes had some control. A decade ago, when the agency’s communications empire was at its peak, [it] embraced more than 500 news and public information organizations and individuals. According to one CIA official, they ranged in importance ‘from Radio Free Europe to a third‐string guy in Quito who could get something in the local paper.’” The CIA funded those foreign “journalistic assets” generously.

The American people, who count on the news profession to provide them with accurate, independent information about foreign affairs, are the ultimate victims.
Bernstein emphasized that the most valuable of the close associations were “with the New York Times, CBS and Time Inc. [the publisher of both Time and Newsweek].”

https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Deflection post invalid.

Like yours that support the fact Holodomor happened and killed 4 million Ukrainians? You responded with semantics and claimed that there is ex Nazi and Ukrainians collusion inflated the numbers without sources, good job dear college liberal.

The fact you still call it the "Holodomor" shows you can't even identify my argument. That's just sad. That's not even college level, like I think they teach this no later than like 9th grade. People dying of a famine is not a genocide, no matter how hard you try and propogate that myth. There was a famine, but there was no Holodomor because "Holodomor" is a loaded word used by Nazis to assert the famine was deliberate and not the result of bad policy.

If you'd read my post, you'd see my source says exactly that. That's why the Holodomor myth was created by the CIA with the help of their Nazi collaborator buddies and hyped by stooges like Robert Conquest (funded by the CIA and Ukronazi orgs). I mean come on, they had to make up a 7 million number to make Ukrainians bigger victims than Jews!

 

[PeachDream]

I wonder if Makhnov or the mexican cnt-fai guys woulda made something decent they seemed cool.

Actual stateless society would be nice, not the USSR tho it wasn't one.

So whos winning in this thread?

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Students out of college can't find work

In the video, it said the opposite. Companies are hiring college graduates for lower wages while senior employees are getting fired. Maybe that is only representative of certain industries, but the video doesn't specify.

Xi's horrid mismanagement, corrupt central and regional governments are contributing to stagnation.

It's unfair to say that this decline in growth is due to Xi's mismanagement or corrupt local governments. Since the pandemic, all developed economies have experienced some form of economic slowdown or recession.[1] GDP growth for the United Kingdom was 0.2% in September this year,[2] not to mention the cost of living crisis in general. In conjunction with the video you shared, maybe factories are closing in China from lack of demand from the west because the west too is becoming poorer. Also, by the late 2000s, China had a trade surplus compared to countries like the United States which had a trade deficit. Even though China's economy has been slowing down RECENTLY, it does not mean that this will continue forever. The trend since 1979 has been growth. I expect this trend to continue into the future.

NOTE, I'm conceding other points like China's white and blue collar workers being hit hard because I haven't come across information that refutes or challenges it. The main problem I have with your post is that all this information is too recent. It's hard to say if China's economy is starting crumble as you suggest or if all this is just a minor bump in the road. But what we do know is that China has experienced impressive economic growth for the past couple decades.

[1] https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2023/04/11/world-economic-outlook-april-2023
[2] https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpmonthlyestimateuk/september2023

Dudes I hate to break it to you
But this thread reeks of autism.
There are 9 pages of multiquotes, graphs and data that literally NOBODY will read.

Then don't reply. Nobody cares.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Then don't reply. Nobody cares.

Ok I'll reply more often, likely with more mockery of the multiquote economic data/graphs shit lmao
You gotta have a sense about when everything that could've been said was already said and you're just endlessly repeating yourself, MATI cause other people want the other ideology.

 

[Glowie]

the video, it said the opposite. Companies are hiring college graduates for lower wages while senior employees are getting fired. Maybe that is only representative of certain industries, but the video doesn't specify

Senior workers who are expensive for companies to keep are replaced by fresh college graduates in their field, due to inexperience and lack of training they're cheap for companies to keep. They're a small minority however After China's youth unemployment hit 21% this July, CCP stopped reporting numbers altogether
With industry crashing, factories closing and tech sector suffering the same fate numbers are even higher CCP dictated even if college grads worked one hour a week, artificial attempt to prop up employment numbers When in reality low income students and those with curse of 35 cannot afford to live in big cities State of corporations and competition in jobs market Lead to lie flat phenomena which exemplify aforementioned issue For reference unemployment in United States is 7, 3 as mentioned in articles

It's unfair to say that this decline in growth is due to Xi's mismanagement or corrupt local governments. Since the pandemic, all developed economies have experienced some form of economic slowdown or recession.[1] GDP growth for the United Kingdom was 0.2% in September this year,[2] not to mention the cost of living crisis in general. In conjunction with the video you shared, maybe factories are closing in China from lack of demand from the west because the west too is becoming poorer. Also, by the late 2000s, China had a trade surplus compared to countries like the United States which had a trade deficit. Even though China's economy has been slowing down

Xi's policies using Mao era slogans lead to exodus to countryside and out of the the country Xi treating his population like slaves isn't helping in fact it sped up economic and demographic decline. Which makes issues even worse in 2023 post pandemic, CCP had to deal with foreign companies leaving China, leaving large chunk of population unemployed and denting China's one of main sources of exports plunged after loss of modern microchips, explained Here . Xi brought back antiquated policies and propaganda, something reformers worked to remove after Mao died in 1976, his successors started reforms. Mao's policies were backward and proof how de facto communism is a dead on arrival ideology
and it needs a police state to function.

Interestingly enough Vietnamese youth Started to lie flat as well

 

[Glowie]

A December 26, 1977, investigative report in the New York Times described the scope of the CIA’s global campaign to influence opinion through media manipulation. “In its persistent efforts to shape world opinion, the C.I.A. has been able to call upon” an extensive network “of newspapers, news services, magazines, publishing houses, broadcasting stations and other entities over which it has at various limes had some control. A decade ago, when the agency’s communications empire was at its peak, [it] embraced more than 500 news and public information organizations and individuals. According to one CIA official, they ranged in importance ‘from Radio Free Europe to a third‐string guy in Quito who could get something in the local paper.’” The CIA funded those foreign “journalistic assets” generously.

The American people, who count on the news profession to provide them with accurate, independent information about foreign affairs, are the ultimate victims.
Bernstein emphasized that the most valuable of the close associations were “with the New York Times, CBS and Time Inc. [the publisher of both Time and Newsweek].”

https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-national-security-state-manipulates-news-media

Not an argument, next.

The fact you still call it the "Holodomor" shows you can't even identify my argument. That's just sad. That's not even college level, like I think they teach this no later than like 9th grade. People dying of a famine is not a genocide, no matter how hard you try and propogate that myth. There was a famine, but there was no Holodomor because "Holodomor" is a loaded word used by Nazis to assert the famine was deliberate and not the result of bad policy.

If you'd read my post, you'd see my source says exactly that. That's why the Holodomor myth was created by the CIA with the help of their Nazi collaborator buddies and hyped by stooges like Robert Conquest (funded by the CIA and Ukronazi orgs). I mean come on, they had to make up a 7 million number to make Ukrainians bigger victims than Jews!

First Problems from on the onset, Jeff Coplon is a writer both non fiction, fiction and he is a journalist who worked for socialist papers briefly. He isn't a historian, or academic nor his writings would pass peer review, furthermore that alleged 7 million figure is irrelevant when western scholars saw through it, studied grain yield, numbers of deaths the 4 million figure. Stalin's orders to ship grain away Ukraine and deliberate elimination of Ukraine kolkozes then shipping Russians.
As per usual, your sources aren't up bar and you seem to ignore definition of genocide: Deliberate killing of a (ethnic) group. Let's go through a checklist shall we
1. Both of our sources prove the famine was man made.
2. Worst effected region was Ukraine, Stalin punished the peasants for not meeting quotas of previous years
3. Confiscation of private property, isolating Ukraine and shipping their grain to other Soviet Republics.
4. Starving off 4 million, killing off peasant class then replacing them with Russians later.
That is textbook definition of genocide by starvation.
I don't know about you, I'd rather trust multiple academic sources over a journalist who wasn't even in Ukraine and rely on single account and grasp on that "Ukronazi" figure that is only repeated by uninformed college liberal who use it for Holodomor or deny Holodomor show off what classical liberal studies and history degrees are worth in United States. You got what you paid for those two years.

Those who live near or in former Soviet Bloc know more than Journalist based in New York.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Ok I'll reply more often, likely with more mockery of the multiquote economic data/graphs shit lmao
You gotta have a sense about when everything that could've been said was already said and you're just endlessly repeating yourself, MATI cause other people want the other ideology.

lol someone got butthurt about your post and went on a delete spree.

 

[AgendaPoster]

lol someone got butthurt about your post and went on a delete spree.

Akshually
There might be jannies infecting the thread.
My post mocking the autism has been deleted too

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Akshually
There might be jannies infecting the thread.
My post mocking the autism has been deleted too

A certain mentally ill autist got triggered and went for a little cry. He's now having a temper tantrum on my profile. Your autist post was spot on. Hours spent typing absolute rubbish with embedded links that noone will read, over a topic that will lead to nothing as he LARPS playing a 'journalist' and ignores everyone who doesn't agree with him.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I wonder if Makhnov or the mexican cnt-fai guys woulda made something decent they seemed cool.

Actual stateless society would be nice, not the USSR tho it wasn't one.

So whos winning in this thread?

Lolno. Anarchism is pure lunacy, that's why it only ever existed on limited scales and would have devolved into communism given time. That's why Makhno, despite being very pro-semitic, couldn't stop his army from engaging in the beloved Ukrainian pasttime of Jew-killing and had to do very anarchist things like act as a dictator and shoot them when they did. I guess to be fair, this happened with the Bolsheviks too (despite Bolshevik leadership being full of Jews in the pre-Stalin days) but that's more proof that anarchism is just as unachievable as communism.

It's unfair to say that this decline in growth is due to Xi's mismanagement or corrupt local governments. Since the pandemic, all developed economies have experienced some form of economic slowdown or recession

He'll just play the "false equivalence" card which means he automatically wins and doesn't have to explain why it's a false equivalence.

First Problems from on the onset, Jeff Coplon is a writer both non fiction, fiction and he is a journalist who worked for socialist papers briefly. He isn't a historian, or academic nor his writings would pass peer review, furthermore that alleged 7 million figure is irrelevant when western scholars saw through it, studied grain yield, numbers of deaths the 4 million figure. Stalin's orders to ship grain away Ukraine and deliberate elimination of Ukraine kolkozes then shipping Russians.
As per usual, your sources aren't up bar and you seem to ignore definition of genocide: Deliberate killing of a (ethnic) group. Let's go through a checklist shall we
1. Both of our sources prove the famine was man made.
2. Worst effected region was Ukraine, Stalin punished the peasants for not meeting quotas of previous years
3. Confiscation of private property, isolating Ukraine and shipping their grain to other Soviet Republics.
4. Starving off 4 million, killing off peasant class then replacing them with Russians later.
That is textbook definition of genocide by starvation.

And the exact same thing occurred in Belarus, southern Russia, Kazakhstan, and Volga German territory. The affected districts, including the Ukraine, received famine aid once the government became aware of the disaster that was unfolding. Asserting Ukraine specifically suffered is completely unsupported by anything in the Soviet archives, because the famine was not a disaster created by top-down planning but by local leaders under pressure to ship quotas of grain elsewhere.

Asserting there was a Holodomor (the definition of which is "deliberate starvation of the Ukrainian people to destroy them") as silly asserting the existence of a "Sichuanese Genocide" created by Mao to destroy the Sichuanese people (a distinct subgroup of Chinese, more distinct from other Chinese than Ukrainians are from Russians) just because the famine in the Great Leap Forward hit Sichuan worse than other parts of China.

I don't know about you, I'd rather trust multiple academic sources over a journalist who wasn't even in Ukraine and rely on single account and grasp on that "Ukronazi" figure that is only repeated by uninformed college liberal who use it for Holodomor or deny Holodomor show off what classical liberal studies and history degrees are worth in United States. You got what you paid for those two years.

That's right, hence why I trust my source that proves there was no Holodomor but instead a famine during the early Stalinist era. You'll also notice that there was only one single famine in the USSR afterward and that was in 1946-47 caused by the mass disruption in the aftermath of World War II, and that occurred everywhere in Europe, especially where accessing US aid (the reason Britain and France had high food prices and food rationing for years after the war). BTW I've been denying the Hall of the Moor since I researched it in 2014, some professors really didn't like me for it.

 

[Glowie]

And the exact same thing occurred in Belarus, southern Russia, Kazakhstan, and Volga German territory.

See the death toll bellow over 25% in multiple Ukraine oblasts (Soviet Census 1937) Stalin wanted to get rid of Ukrainian kulaks and import ethnic Russian to post Holomodor Ukraine,(which he did)
Wiki if Cyrillic is too hard for you
University source, certified and verified

That's right, hence why I trust my source that proves there was no Holodomor but instead a famine during the early Stalinist era.

You have one hell of a case of confirmation bias
Your source is a sensationalist writer meant to sell papers, he does not have any kind of hands on experience, unlike Gareth who was there in person. You have only one source, without any other sources.

I have a feeling that you do not want to embarrass yourself like you did ”Jesus influenced Buddha” incident (Reminder Buddha was born 563 BC and died in 483 BC)

You were wrong owe up to it.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

See the death toll bellow over 25% in multiple Ukraine oblasts (Soviet Census 1937) Stalin wanted to get rid of Ukrainian kulaks and import ethnic Russian to post Holomodor Ukraine,(which he did)

The only thing true about this is that Stalin did indeed want to get rid of Ukrainian kulaks, just like he wanted to get rid of equivalent classes everywhere in the USSR. This is not hard to understand. It's also very clear that there was no ethnic motivation at all given that as I noted, there were several Ukrainian Politburo members and Stalin continued to promote more during the 1930s such as future leader Khrushchev. Or how most cities in the Ukraine were already majority Russian by 1926 and the countryside a significant minority, or how even according to your own map, the areas which with the highest percentage of Ukrops such as Podolia and Volynia had the least amount of famine losses. Or for instance why Stalin bothered to send famine relief. There's so many holes in the "Holodomor as Ukrainian Genocide" theory you could drive an IS-3 through it.

Claiming the population losses are deaths is deceitful since over 1 million people emigrated or were deported from Ukraine in that time period, the majority of whom (even among gulag victims) survived. Actual famine deaths may have been only around 2.6 million within Ukraine (source attached).

You have one hell of a case of confirmation bias
Your source is a sensationalist writer meant to sell papers, he does not have any kind of hands on experience, unlike Gareth who was there in person. You have only one source, without any other sources.

Projection again, since the vast majority of posts you make are confirmation bias given you take every single disaster in China (or in this thread, under communism in general) as proof of it being the failure of their political/economic system without any regard to the context of the disaster or how it relates to specifically communism.

Since Gareth did not count each and every dead body (or even a reliable sample of dead), nor did he find evidence of orders to destroy the Ukrainians, his journalism does not count as there being a Holodomor. It is clear that the term "Holodomor" itself is a loaded one meant to evoke the same victimhood that Jews get from the Holocaust, hence the similar-sounding name.

I have a feeling that you do not want to embarrass yourself like you did ”Jesus influenced Buddha” incident (Reminder Buddha was born 563 BC and died in 483 BC)

You were wrong owe up to it.

And now you're just making things up given the debate was over the exact opposite. Reading comprehension really isn't your forte.

 

[Glowie]

The only thing true about this is that Stalin did indeed want to get rid of Ukrainian kulaks, just like he wanted to get rid of equivalent classes everywhere in the USSR. This is not hard to understand. It's also very clear that there was no ethnic motivation at all given that as I noted, there were several Ukrainian Politburo members and Stalin continued to promote more during the 1930s such as future leader Khrushchev. Or how most cities in the Ukraine were already majority Russian by 1926 and the countryside a significant minority, or how even according to your own map, the areas which with the highest percentage of Ukrops such as Podolia and Volynia had the least amount of famine losses. Or for instance why Stalin bothered to send famine relief. There's so many holes in the "Holodomor as Ukrainian Genocide" theory you could drive an IS-3 through it.

Russian were a ethnic minority in Russia contracted on specific oblasts
You should back up your claims

Claiming the population losses are deaths is deceitful since over 1 million people emigrated or were deported from Ukraine in that time period, the majority of whom (even among gulag victims) survived. Actual famine deaths may have been only around 2.6 million within Ukraine (source attached).

Your source is nice and all, it doesn't mention mass starvation that occurred and was well catalogued. Boy you're scraping bottom of barrel for sources to support Holomdomor denial. By the way the 2 millions figure is after Holomdomor when birth rates were low.

The only thing true about this is that Stalin did indeed want to get rid of Ukrainian kulaks, just like he wanted to get rid of equivalent classes everywhere in the USSR. This is not hard to understand. It's also very clear that there was no ethnic motivation at all given that as I noted, there were several Ukrainian Politburo members and Stalin continued to promote more during the 1930s such as future leader Khrushchev. Or how most cities in the Ukraine were already majority Russian by 1926 and the countryside a significant minority, or how even according to your own map, the areas which with the highest percentage of Ukrops such as Podolia and Volynia had the least amount of famine losses. Or for instance why Stalin bothered to send famine relief. There's so many holes in the "Holodomor as Ukrainian Genocide" theory you could drive an IS-3 through it.

Clearly so many holes that western world and beyond, genocide that has been proven to history, rest of the world that signed treaties know less than a classic liberal with two year decree in history! See the number of extra nations listed references.
This isn't an arguement anymore it's your desperate denial of reality using mispresented statistics!


Just to remind that your Holomdomor hinges on ones book that you didn't understand and tankie propaganda. Can you say with a straight face you know better than majority of Academia, Nations of the world and USSR admitting it?

Claiming that Holomdomor is Holocaust and great leap forward death toll denial tier level of mental gymnastics.

Unfortunately your opinion does not matter in face of overwhelming evidence and people who are far more educated than you, sorry.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Russian were a ethnic minority in Russia contracted on specific oblasts
You should back up your claims

From a Ukrop website discussing 1926 census, 85% of rural people in the Ukrainian SSR spoke Ukrainian, but only 36% of urban dwellers. It's clear that even after several years of pro-Ukrainian cultural promotion from the USSR, the idea of "Ukraine" still barely existed.

I'm not wasting time to cite sources for what is common knowledge to anyone who knows about this topic beyond HALP CHATGPT-SAMA since this is an informal discussion forum.

Your source is nice and all, it doesn't mention mass starvation that occurred and was well catalogued. Boy you're scraping bottom of barrel for sources to support Holomdomor denial. By the way the 2 millions figure is after Holomdomor when birth rates were low.

CTRL+F "famine" "24 results"

Clearly another source you didn't read, but we all know you never do.

Clearly so many holes that western world and beyond, genocide that has been proven to history, rest of the world that signed treaties know less than a classic liberal with two year decree in history! See the number of extra nations listed references.
This isn't an arguement anymore it's your desperate denial of reality using mispresented statistics!

I can't imagine why a bunch of NATO states and their vassals might recognize anything that portrays the Soviet Union in a negative light, particularly given their association with ex-Nazi collaborators like Mykola Lebed (Operation Aerodynamic) who helped the Nazis murder tens of thousands of Jews and Poles. And unlike the Holodomor, we actually have Nazi documents praising Lebed and his Ukronazis for destroying "partisans."

Just to remind that your Holomdomor hinges on ones book that you didn't understand and tankie propaganda. Can you say with a straight face you know better than majority of Academia, Nations of the world and USSR admitting it?

Reality isn't a popularity contest. I've given plenty of academic sources that accurately prove the famine in the Ukraine cannot by any sane definition be called "genocide." It's common sense that a group being genocided doesn't get promoted to the highest levels of the government in the military and government of the country who is killing them, nor do they carry out their own genocide (leading to the absurdity of the Ukraine claiming the ethnic Ukrainian head of the Ukrainian SSR committed genocide against his own people). You can count the number of prominent Jewish Nazis on one hand for instance, and every single one of them denied it publically.

You fail to explain these facts in your attempt to assert there was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians instead of just a famine where one part happened to occur in the Ukraine. Hence why it's like trying to claim Mao did the Sichuanodomor because Sichuan was affected slightly worse in the Great Leap Forward.

Claiming that Holomdomor is Holocaust and great leap forward death toll denial tier level of mental gymnastics.

It's pretty obvious the Hall O'Domor is only called such in English to evoke the Holocaust, and that's why the blatantly false claim of "7 million Ukrainians" is so common since they had to top the 6 million Jews.

 

[DDR Yoga]

The most functional communist state ever to exist was East Germany and it functioned because of the German bit; not communism.

I don't like capitalism. It seems to me that building a system on zero-sum greed is bound to fail. Communism though is a debilitating Jewish conception and simply not suited to the spirit of European man.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

The most functional communist state ever to exist was East Germany and it functioned because of the German bit; not communism.

Idk, probably more like Yugoslavia, and it was specifically because Tito and Stalin had a falling out so Tito moved towards having economic ties with the west as an expression of defiance and because he had some smidge of conscience in wanting to govern in a way that improved the lives of his people.

East Germany was the frontline between East and West, so they couldn’t breathe without Soviet approval. That’s where Putin got his start, as a KGB desk agent in Dresden.

 

[Glowie]

Reality isn't a popularity contest. I've given plenty of academic sources that accurately prove the famine in the Ukraine cannot by any sane definition be called "genocide." It's common sense that a group being genocided doesn't get promoted to the highest levels of the government in the military and government of the country who is killing them, nor do they carry out their own genocide (leading to the absurdity of the Ukraine claiming the ethnic Ukrainian head of the Ukrainian SSR committed genocide against his own people). You can count the number of prominent Jewish Nazis on one hand for instance, and every single one of them denied it publically.

So you claim to know more than PhD in history, authorities, very definition of genocide, studies and statistics from multiple sources. Got it. Rest is word salad.

Your betters proved your genocide denial decades ago, cry more about those evil Jewish Nazis, try to shift blame from Stalin's Deliberate planning to wipe out kulaks and starve millions with intent to do so.

I can't imagine why a bunch of NATO states and their vassals might recognize anything that portrays the Soviet Union in a negative light, particularly given their association with ex-Nazi collaborators like Mykola Lebed (Operation Aerodynamic) who helped the Nazis murder tens of thousands of Jews and Poles. And unlike the Holodomor, we actually have Nazi documents praising Lebed and his Ukronazis for destroying "partisans."

Non argument, conspiracy drivel, next

85% of rural people in the Ukrainian SSR spoke Ukrainian, but only 36% of urban dwellers. It's clear that even after several years of pro-Ukrainian cultural promotion from the USSR, the idea of "Ukraine" still barely existed.

I'm not wasting time to cite sources for what is common knowledge to anyone who knows about this topic beyond HALP CHATGPT-SAMA since this is an informal discussion forum.

You were wrong about this supposed Russian ethnic majority was wrong, Ukrainians were ethnic majority. You were proven wrong.

It hurt your ego to point you started throwing ad hominems and project. You were proven wrong on every level, cite conspiracy sites, sensationalist journalists and mispresent a book that isn't recognised in academia.

The most functional communist state ever to exist was East Germany and it functioned because of the German bit; not communism.

I don't like capitalism. It seems to me that building a system on zero-sum greed is bound to fail. Communism though is a debilitating Jewish conception and simply not suited to the spirit of European man.

Every human regardless of ethnicity are self serving and ego driven. CCP is corrupt, like Vietnam and North Korea where elite and Kim family live in luxury outside famine and food shortages.

Socialism/Communism is depicted in Orwell's animal farm and Human behaviour. Ever since tribal stage, humans only care for themselves and their kin first. Thinking people care for millions before prioritizing their kin first is proven by lavish Soviet manors, summer resorts and apartments for elite class.

Millions are stuffed in Soviet Lego bloc buildings with long waiting lines for everything.

Some animals are more equal than others.

Capitalism isn't fair from onset, much like life. Everyone is bound to consumer culture, everyone competes mega corporations do not care about you.

Life is constant rat race and inflation eats up neetbux for the unemployed, disabled and autistic. Shit isn't fair, but it's best we got.

Competition has it's positive sides to it, those who are motivated seek to enter STEM fields, creating best equipped and trained doctors in the world. For example United States despite high cost of healthcare is most developed in the world. Taiwan leads microchip production and research.

Communism eliminates competition and free market. Exceptional talent are given privileges like with elites. Masses live in squalor.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So you claim to know more than PhD in history, authorities, very definition of genocide, studies and statistics from multiple sources. Got it. Rest is word salad.

Your betters proved your genocide denial decades ago, cry more about those evil Jewish Nazis, try to shift blame from Stalin's Deliberate planning to wipe out kulaks and starve millions with intent to do so.

There is only proof Stalin intended to destroy kulaks as an obstacle to collectivization. There is no proof the famine occurred deliberately, let alone that it was a deliberate attempt to destroy one specific ethnicity. You've provided no proof, only insisted it MUST BE TRUE because the United States says so, and cry "word salad" when BTFO. What a sad appeal to authority!

Persecuting a single political class doesn't count as genocide under international law, otherwise you would have to assert that the Republicans are actively committing a "transgender genocide" and believe the Civil War and Reconstruction was a genocide on wealthy Southerners.

Non argument, conspiracy drivel, next

Dismissing evidence that doesn't agree with you as a conspiracy theory is one of those logical fallacies you love to harp on about. Prove how it's wrong.

But don't take my word for it, here's some declassified CIA docs on Op. Aerodynamic. Damn those 1950s conspiracy theorists at the CIA! Note that he was president of "Prolog" whose role was to put out Ukrainian-language pro-CIA propaganda. Lurid tales of Hoaxodomor nonsense circulated under its banner.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%2043%20%20CONTACT%20REPORTS_0008.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%205%20%20(DEVELOPMENT%20AND%20PLANS)_0004.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%2035%20%20(OPERATIONS)_0039.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp87m01152r000100090003-4

You were wrong about this supposed Russian ethnic majority was wrong, Ukrainians were ethnic majority. You were proven wrong.

Good thing I never asserted that. Try reading my post again--I know, I write at a higher skill than the basic ESL textbooks you're using, but ChatGPT and DeepL can help.

It hurt your ego to point you started throwing ad hominems and project. You were proven wrong on every level, cite conspiracy sites, sensationalist journalists and mispresent a book that isn't recognised in academia.

I'm noticing you amp up the projection when you can't prove my point wrong so like a good little MSM zombie you just scream "muh conspiracy!" "muh misinformation!"

 

[MMS-China]

As for communist countries only being able to steal technology, to some extent that might be true, but, as detailed by Josh Moon in his MATI streams, the Chinese are making huge developments in programming that haven't yet reached the west because of the language barrier. China also has hypersonic missiles and NATO doesn't.

I don't think the US wants any good news to be told to the masses about Russia and China. Those countries are the primary threat to US unipolarity. The US Government has think tanks and media outlets that churn out that Russia and China are still in the 1910's farming weeds in rags, right before the military man shoots him in the back of the head for not keeping up with the weed harvest quota.

The Potemkin Village is actually increasingly the US and by extension EU.

All the US can do at this point is drain their vassals.