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In the entertainment industry - Louis CK, Kevin Spacey, Jonathan Majors, Anthony Cumia, all different from EVS but with major baggage. None at DC itself. I can still see it, though. If the comics mattered, the Harley Quinn Fart Special and the Nightwing Butt Special would've gotten much more publicity.
 
If so, that is the dumbest idea he has ever had. There is no way in hell it will work.

It's dumber than him picking a fight with July. Way dumber.
It is his best bad option in a sea of even worse options. His fans have diminished in numbers, cash and good will due to many factors with his lateness, contempt for the customer and disregard for professionalism being the biggest. Going back to DC would guarantee at least a steady salary.

True, I should've clarified that at one time, Johns was seen as permanently gone from DC to run the Ghost Machine imprint for Image. Johns and EVS had about the same chances of coming back to DC, with very different reasons. I could believe they'd try to bring EVS back, given other "cancelled" entertainers have been slowly and quietly creeping back into the mainstream.
EVS is not someone who can draw in crowds as he used to do. If he gets his act together and starts delivering product on time maybe. But there is no way to guarantee such behavior.

I can't. I think the Comicsgate association will make him persona non grata in the mainstream forever.

Can you think of one person quite like EVS they brought back?
I think that due to the political landscape being exposed as not nearly as leftist as once thought, his CG association should not harm him if seen in a vacuum. It is his disregard for deadlines that should be his greatest obstacle for getting into DC's good graces again. They can excuse an idiot that delivers product but an idiot that does not? I do not think so.
 
It is his best bad option in a sea of even worse options. His fans have diminished in numbers, cash and good will due to many factors with his lateness, contempt for the customer and disregard for professionalism being the biggest. Going back to DC would guarantee at least a steady salary.


EVS is not someone who can draw in crowds as he used to do. If he gets his act together and starts delivering product on time maybe. But there is no way to guarantee such behavior.


I think that due to the political landscape being exposed as not nearly as leftist as once thought, his CG association should not harm him if seen in a vacuum. It is his disregard for deadlines that should be his greatest obstacle for getting into DC's good graces again. They can excuse an idiot that delivers product but an idiot that does not? I do not think so.
Maybe his best hope is for more of his ancient supporting characters to get resurrected so he can collect additional royalties. I don't think anyone wants his work ethic on new stuff.
 
Okay, I gotta ask...

And maybe this has been asked before...

Why are they doing this? Not just Zack, but also Ethan.

It's almost like they realize this Comicsgate shit isn't as lucrative as it once was, and they are looking to make nice with the mainstream.

But surely Ethan knows he hasn't got a prayer in Hades of getting back in with Marvel or D.C., right?

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Basically, they have to pivot to the 'new zeitgeist'.
When I was doing interviews at Heroes Con this year, lots of people were there selling their wares and creations. But most reported less interest and traffic than in years past.
Ethan, being deeper in that world than I'll ever be, likely has the sense to see that the entertainment world is arcing away from indie and back toward 'reliable' sources of escapism. A great deal of vintage comic salesmen were commenting about how much they'd sold this year compared to the pre-covid numbers.
Heroes Con reported the largest attendance they've ever had this year.
But if you're an indie, you wouldn't know it.
Thus, Ethan, Zack, the guys with no passion, are moving to ride the next wave of controversy. "This is reliable entertainment. You liked it when you were 16, you'll like it now. It's safer than risking your mental state trying to sit through any modern movie or tv show."

That's the trajectory I see. Comics, video games, movies, even books. Across the board vintage and retro sales are through the roof. While newer stuff is languishing. Still.

That's why Ethan's suddenly saying "DC was a grrreat place to work. Look at all grrreat stuff I did there with characters you recognize. How old were you when Superman was a Dark Black Lantern vexing the Justice League?"
You know, as though the past 8 years of "DC was a hive of Leftist Feminist freak women and cucks that wanted to fuck them. I quit that place when they wouldn't let me be a man anymore." never happened.
Can't market on being the "new" thing anymore, people have "new" fatigue.
 
But surely Ethan knows he hasn't got a prayer in Hades of getting back in with Marvel or D.C., right?

Perhaps, but on the extremely slim chance he could pull it off, he could better ignore his own pending books. Not only that, his 500 retarded paypigs would consider it the ultimate win for CG... the final acceptance of one of their own back into the mainstream.

Here's a note that pretty much everyone can agree with: hating on a product that it has nothing to do with this thread is DEFINITELY a bad idea.

Not so sure about that one... what specific product would you be talking about?
 
Ethan going back to dc or Marvel would probably the quickest rehire/fires in employment history. He's a pr nightmare who would tell another fan to kill themselves (which was the reason his contract wasn't renewed. Not because he was a outspoken republican.) Books would never come out as he was a lazy artist even on forums from the 00's early 10's. What would be the positive of bringing him back after years alienating both left & Ring wing fans, a known bitch who would leak and air out drama on his dwindling audience of 45 year old fatherless men.

If he were to return to DC he would most definitely give up streaming.
 
Maybe his best hope is for more of his ancient supporting characters to get resurrected so he can collect additional royalties. I don't think anyone wants his work ethic on new stuff.
His best option probably. That goes specifically if he can either resurrect or create a character that is as liked as his Jessica Cruz. He struck lightning in a bottle with her and I doubt that can be easily repeated.
 
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His best option probably. That goes specifically if he can either resurrect or create a character that is as liked as his Jessica Cruz. He struck lightning in a bottle with her and I doubt that can be easily repeated.
Is there a list somewhere of all the characters EVS had a hand in creating and might expect a royalty check from? I know a few have come up over the years when he does a victory lap after learning one is going to be in a movie.
 
Is there a list somewhere of all the characters EVS had a hand in creating and might expect a royalty check from? I know a few have come up over the years when he does a victory lap after learning one is going to be in a movie.

I remember him claiming to receive like 100K or so in royalties for the Iron Heights jail from the Flash comics he worked on because Zack Snyder mentioned it in his films..

Eh, people saying the usual Eric July and Rippaverse hate that at this point EVERYONE including people who feed into it know is NOT having the effects they want to believe.

Yes, but Rippaverse comics don't really fall in the "product that it has nothing to do with this thread" category.

Eric July is a person of interest for this thread because he's a CG primary target, and Eric himself having been (or still being) CG adjacent.
 
Is there a list somewhere of all the characters EVS had a hand in creating and might expect a royalty check from? I know a few have come up over the years when he does a victory lap after learning one is going to be in a movie.
He mostly lived off the money he made when injustice 2 featured Atrocious before he started making money off crowdfunding.
 
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Look this ain't classic literature out here. The massive axe to the chest of quality has already been dealt, as the internet and entertainment in general have gone the way of video games and movies. You will never have the bottleneck testing ground for talent back when comic books actually were the main moneymaker for the comic book industry. Back when they had to be so good that you couldn't just pick it up, read it and put it back on the shelf, you had to be compelled to own a copy. Now it is sufficient for the big 2 to crank out the equivalent of advertising inserts designed to prime you for the next garbage idea for a movie. Or better yet, come out with arena pvp games with pornographic designs and just let the kids play the same crap over and over again.

While it's nice to have people who even care enough to make comic books anymore, the only people who will be able to make a real profit are celebrities cashing in on their celebrity (Reeves, Rippa), old legends cashing in on their status (Frogfag), and the people who coattail off of one or the other or both (provided there isn't a blood feud).

Even at it's peak, I was never interested in Jawbreakers for it's actual design or characters, but for the idea that a regular guy could get it done. It needed hype to push through and the David & Goliath thing between Richard and Mark Waid has not been matched since. Van Driver went from occasionally getting comics in for a major publisher with legendary characters to becoming a 24/7 hype train for what has got to be one of the flattest and derivative characters on the face of the planet to becoming a 24/7 hate train on anyone else who didn't lick his flap sweat. Rippa's comics are a happy meal toy for the honor of being a Rippa fan. I'm happy for him and he is an amazing brand manager, even a publisher, but I'd like to see something that really could stand out on it's own to the comics of yore. Yeah it's a pie in the sky, but it's my pie and it's my sky.

Still, if CG was supposed to be about the freedom to break away and be a success apart from the big 2, July has embodied that way more than CG ever did. I view this thread more about that than actual critical assessment of the work itself. If it weren't for Ethan's coming out as a complete bpd sociopath headcase grifter for everything outside of actually making (or refusing to make) his stupid frog books, I would never have a-logged him in the first place.

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We need new injections of brilliance in the scene and if it was a choice between July and Sciver, I'd say Rippaverse had the best shot at actually developing new talent. Sciverfrog just tongue-chokes it and rapes the dead corpse.
 
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Yes, but Rippaverse comics don't really fall in the "product that it has nothing to do with this thread" category.

Eric July is a person of interest for this thread because he's a CG primary target, and Eric himself having been (or still being) CG adjacent.
At this point Eric July is ignoring those comicsgate psychos, as well as the obsessive carpers that try everything they can to damage the product or the company's reputation. The market as well as all the people getting into it speak louder than any of the haters, no matter how they try to look at it. Call me whatever you want, but I'm just being realistic with facts....I don't go by gossip, opinions, speculations, conspiracy theories or fairy tales. If that makes me a meat rider, a ball washer or whatever gay ass shit people like to say when they get disagreed with ESPECIALLY when logic is not on their side, than that's fine by me. 🤷
 
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At this point Eric July is ignoring those comicsgate psychos, as well as the obsessive carpers that try everything they can to damage the product or the company's reputation.

Good for him and wish him the best and all, but it's not as if he's never gonna completely shake off the Comicsgate stain off of him, even if from RippaVerse POV CG is an insignificant footnote; because from CG's POV Eric has been the movement's actual raison d'etre for the past couple of years. This thread has mentioned or criticized grifts like Geeks and Gamers' or The Critical Drinker's who are just as tangential to CG as July.

The market as well as all the people getting into it speak louder than any of the haters, no matter how they try to look at it.

Fair enough, but hating his product is not beyond the pail for this thread
 
This thread has mentioned or criticized grifts like Geeks and Gamers' or The Critical Drinker's who are just as tangential to CG as July.
At this point I stopped believing people who accuse people of grifting because it's been taken out of context WAY too many times at this point. Just because people want change in the pop culture of something they once enjoy and probably still do, doesn't make them grifters.

Fair enough, but hating his product is not beyond the pail for this thread
After a while the hate feels more fake and forced than genuine now, especially when other companies INCLUDING Iconic have done the same things and made the same choices as Rippaverse did. It's not possible for me to take the hate and gossip it gets seriously now.
 
Fair enough, but hating his product is not beyond the pail for this thread
I think his comics are mediocre, and he has yet to publish anything I would want to spend money on, but I don't hate the man.

Meanwhile, I have grown to despise Ethan, and I can not emphasize enough that his treatment of July played a huge role in that. I was always cordial with the guy, despite his faults, but when he came in here demanding a personal army to take down July, that was it. That was the line. He can eat a bag of dicks.

After a while the hate feels more fake and forced than genuine now, especially when other companies INCLUDING Iconic have done the same things and made the same choices as Rippaverse did. It's not possible for me to take the hate and gossip it gets seriously now.
Respectfully, outside of CG and Juju's crack pack, who is even doing that?
 
I think his comics are mediocre, and he has yet to publish anything I would want to spend money on, but I don't hate the man.
You do know Isom is not the only book he made or shipped right? I mean I think Kamen America from Iconic is mediocre and I honestly don't see how anyone else doesn't, but that doesn't mean I think Iconic is all mediocre....in fact I actually enjoy Soulfinder.
Respectfully, outside of CG and Juju's crack pack, who is even doing that?
The occasional shitposter that doesn't even READ or even care about Comics at this point. Or people who listen to the SWC Bros that are convinced that Eric is trying to take over the industry and NOT let anyone else get into it without his say so somehow. The internet is FULL of crazy people sadly.
 
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Personally, I cannot understand why someone would hate Eric. I can understand not liking his comics and finding them mediocre. I can understand not thinking Eric is the best thing since sliced bread (he is just a good businessman who is a better musician than a comicbook guy). Hate is a big world to throw out like that.
The only people that hate Eric, are people who believe he "betrayed" them, or "betrayed" someone they care about.
 
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