Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Fapcop]

I don't think there is a legal situation for her.

While posting Loli/shota is illegal it basically never gets prosecuted because we don't have time or resources.

She didn't withhold anything. She wasn't subpoenaed, she's not a mandatory reporter as far as I can tell - being a shitty person and not reporting someone isn't illegal except in certain specific circumstances.

Gotta love redditors and internet outrage.

We barely solve 2/3s of homicides, jails are overflowing, courts overworked and trial and incarceration easily runs into 5-6 figures for every criminal dealt with.

But nah, let’s focus on the important stuff! Like some random ween who did ween shit to Chris.

 

[Mason Verger]

If this case goes to trial i'll buy a fucking fedora and eat it on livestream. On Jah, pm me if it happens

Not a bet I’d take, friend, but duly noted. Hat eating is taken very seriously around these parts.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Fuck imagine the kind of shit those poor guys have to keep up with. How many 6000 year old loli dragon girls have they had to become familiar with.

She's 6000 years old it's not pedophilia!

But yeah while a lot of the times sex criminals are caught they do have Loli, pony or furry art unless the investigators are young rookies who might have a familiarity with that kinda stuff I doubt they'll understand a good chunk of Chris's ramblings about animie and ponies.

 

[ANobody]

She's 6000 years old it's not pedophilia!

Sometimes I wonder if we didn't drop enough nukes on Japan.

 

[Fapcop]

So, out of interest, 'step' relations are considered incest in some places and it looks like Virginia is one of them. If step-sibling sex is illegal and there's a stepbrother and sister both of consensual age and happily fucking away not harming anyone, is this something that will generally be dropped and not charged?

Asking for a friend.

Kinda sounds like something that depends on the prosecutor, how public it is and which jurisdiction it is. (As in: Is it in downtown Chicago where aspiring rap stars are shooting future college students every day, or is it in bumfuck, Missouri where traffic violations are the biggest part of the local judge’s workload.


And let’s get real here, what’s this bullshit about “not harming anyone”?

How about the family they grew up in/with? Is that not harm?

Or society in general, I’d say normalizing sex within a family unit, no matter if it’s not blood relations is pretty fucking harmful.

 

[Unpleasant]

You're not necessarily wrong. If you'd have asked me about Chris the day before this broke I'm sure I'd have said something very similar and I'd have been horrifically mistaken.

Part of the issue is also our emphasis on individual liberties - we've chosen to have a more reactive legal system. Look at, for example, what the UK does with Anti-Social Behavior Orders. They're like restraining orders on steroids - Oh, you keep going into the city center and acting a fool, starting fights? You're banned from the city center now. There's one I'm aware of where a guy had to check into the police station every time his soccer team played and stay there till it was over because of his repeated hooliganism. Stuff we can't even imagine as within the power of the law.

And this is something important to talk about, especially for our non-American farmers.

The US takes its criminal justice seriously. So seriously that proving what to a casual observer seems to be open and shut beyond the burdens required by law is extremely difficult. Cases must then be so airtight as to survive multiple appeals, endure the cadre of law school professors who love to do nothing but find or invent bizarre technicalities of common law systems and attempt to have cases or trials thrown out for sport, and also respect the process perfectly at every step along the way or you may have to do it all over again. Prosecutorial bias for juries may be a thing, but meeting the bar for convictions is not a sure thing. Pleas are a thing because they benefit both sides. If you overcharge and lose, it's over. Can't meet one element of murder 2 because a key piece of evidence got tossed? Guess you should have gone for manslaughter, because you just lost that trial.

The US does not just institutionalize the eccentric, and when someone is institutionalized it is not for long if there are any alternatives.

Our system is de facto reactive because we do not tolerate notions of pre-crime or proactive sanctioning. Many of the things that the law gets away with in other first world countries is not an option here. If that is a good or a bad thing, that is up to you, but we require someone to commit an offense or have extreme proof that something really fucking bad is about to occur to make a prosecution even possible.

Those extreme barriers, for those who continue to insist Chris is going to the nuthouse, are far too high for Chris to meet.

You can't even detain on reasonable suspicion in WA state anymore. That's how reactive US law is moving to.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Kinda sounds like something that depends on the prosecutor, how public it is and which jurisdiction it is. (As in: Is it in downtown Chicago where aspiring rap stars are shooting future college students every day, or is it in bumfuck, Missouri where traffic violations are the biggest part of the local judge’s workload.


And let’s get real here, what’s this bullshit about “not harming anyone”?

How about the family they grew up in/with? Is that not harm?

Or society in general, I’d say normalizing sex within a family unit, no matter if it’s not blood relations is pretty fucking harmful.

Oh sure they’ll go for that. I mean Raping your 80 year old senile mother is a clearly victimless crime.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Sometimes I wonder if we didn't drop enough nukes on Japan.

Oh gee real fucking original did you have to blow the cobwebs off that one the way Chris had to blow cobwebs off barb's meat canyon?

 

[Mason Verger]

Chris has previous history of fighting like a cretin to avoid a sweetheart deal.

Yes, Chris loves the path of least resistance, and is a firm believer in shitting your pants and doing nothing.

However: Chris is also incredibly stubborn and stupid.

Take “Da Merge” for example. Was that the path of least resistance? Or playacting like Sonichu for like a year?

Chris also HATES to be “misunderstood”

Chris doesn’t think he did anything wrong and has a good part of his personality tied up in being “kind and caring”.

I could totally see him refuse some sweetheart deal of a two year suspended sentence, and instead risk ten years in the slammer if it means he doesnt have to say: “Yes, I Christine Weston Chandler is a rapist and raped my 80 year old mother!”

And that’s the thing, Chris is an outlier. Are we just wildly speculating to see what shit sticks? Sure. You know what else was a wild speculation and bad joke just a few years ago? Chris fucking his own elderly mother. Never happen, right? I mean Chris is a idiotic sexual degenerate, but surely even he wouldn’t do that..

Like you said, it not a conclusion just pulled out of thin air, he genuinely seems proud of this. He had no reason to tell Null, yet he did. Rather gleefully. The fact he’s got a shit eating grin in his mugshots, not his poor baby sour puss like in his macing mugshot, is telling. The fact he yelled out about this being a “big misunderstanding that’ll all be sorted out soon” is telling.

I just don’t think in Chris’s mind a plea bargain is a win. It’ll still come with some amount of time to be served, even if it’s a mental hospital. That’s time away from his toys, vidya, cartoons, asspatters and his momma/crypt keeper sex doll. That’s literally his whole world and all he’s ever known. If he has a slim shot at returning everything back to “normal”, I could see him taking it.

 

[ANobody]

Oh gee real fucking original did you have to blow the cobwebs off that one the way Chris had to blow cobwebs off barb's meat canyon?

Weeb or Tennoheika Banzaifag?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Weeb or Tennoheika Banzaifag?

C. Drunk on weeknight

 

[The Final Troondown]

Yeah, no reason they can't. Prosecutorial discretion is almost unlimited and basically unreviewable. Nothing say just because we don't charge one participant we're somehow barred from charging the other.





It's the jurisdiction thing, most likely. Generally when you arrest someone on a warrant from another jurisdiction you can hold them without bail for a few days while that jurisdiction comes to pick them up. So since these are separate counties, I would bet that's what happened - Greene County put the warrant out, so he's being held for them. He'll go in front of a Judge and have bail set in Greene County.

Depending on some jurisdictions, certain types of offenses don't have a jail bond - you can't bond out until you see a Judge. Domestic violence is a common one for that. But I don't think that's the issue here, I think it's that they picked him up on a Greene County warrant. He will certainly have a bond set in the coming days - whether he can pay it is another matter.

if chris were to be convicted of incest and barb not tried could this be appealed to the constitional courts alleging prejudice on grounds of age/gender/disability on the court's part?

 

[Unpleasant]

She's 6000 years old it's not pedophilia!

But yeah while a lot of the times sex criminals are caught they do have Loli, pony or furry art unless the investigators are young rookies who might have a familiarity with that kinda stuff I doubt they'll understand a good chunk of Chris's ramblings about animie and ponies.

Honestly, I rarely find Japanese themed smut. The vast majority will be real or believable ageplay. If its drawn, western properties are more common. MLP and furfaggotry are the bigger red flags. I have never found a super hardcore anime enthusiast pedophile. Perhaps as an adjacent interest, but never something central to what I find. They're probably out there, but I haven't seen one yet.

That said, the presence of a fursuit greatly increases the odds of finding something horrible, or a household pet that walks funny and humps everyone's legs constantly.

if chris were to be convicted of incest and barb not tried could this be appealed to the constitional courts alleging prejudice on grounds of age/gender/disability on the court's part?

The "well your honor, my client may be guilty but they didn't charge the other party" might be a novel defense but I suspect it would not find any purchase. The decision to seek an indictment is solely the prosecution's. If it were a viable argument, you'd see it raised every time a snitch dimes out somebody and escapes prosecution.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I'm no expert in such things, but I'm guessing an arraignment will be coming up soon. Does it have to happen within 72 hours of arrest? Does Sunday not count because the court isn't open? If my guesses are right, he will be arraigned tomorrow, probably before lunch.

EDIT: One other question... Do arraignments have to be announced to the public before they occur? Is it possible that they can arraign him with no notice and just tell us it happened afterwards? I imagine they want to keep the weens out of the court room.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

I'm no expert in such things, but I'm guessing an arraignment will be coming up soon. Does it have to happen within 72 hours of arrest? Does Sunday not count because the court isn't open? If my guesses are right, he will be arraigned tomorrow, probably before lunch.

From what I understand, the timelines might be longer than expected due to COVID measures and the resulting backlog of cases, so it's hard to say for certain unless someone has experience with the Greene County court system during this past year.

 

[RodgerDodger]

if chris were to be convicted of incest and barb not tried could this be appealed to the constitional courts alleging prejudice on grounds of age/gender/disability on the court's part?

No. To begin with we don’t have constitutional courts. But no the rapist doesn’t get to challenge the prosecutor for not prosecuting his 80 year old victim.

I'm no expert in such things, but I'm guessing an arraignment will be coming up soon. Does it have to happen within 72 hours of arrest? Does Sunday not count because the court isn't open? If my guesses are right, he will be arraigned tomorrow, probably before lunch.

It may have happened already. I’m sure since Covid they are just doing it via video conference to the jail.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I just googled a bit and Virginia courts are in a state of emergency, but arraignments are still going on via video.

EDIT: Also, on the jail info page for Chris, it says he was taken into custody almost four hours before he was booked. Could they have been questioning him during that time and they went through booking once he lawyered up, or was he probably just in a holding cell?

 

[Mason Verger]

if chris were to be convicted of incest and barb not tried could this be appealed to the constitional courts alleging prejudice on grounds of age/gender/disability on the court's part?

That’s because Chris is %100 the initiator and aggressor in this. Just read his own description of it, he literally says she tried to make him stop and said no, but he just kept going. And just look at her. How fucking sex crazed are half dead 80 year old women? She can’t even eat solid food, I really doubt she wants her old rusty twat being abused by that bent dicked ogre every three days.

 

[Unpleasant]

I just googled a bit and Virginia courts are in a state of emergency, but arraignments are still going on via video.

EDIT: Also, on the jail info page for Chris, it says he was taken into custody almost four hours before he was booked. Could they have been questioning him during that time and they went through booking once he lawyered up, or was he probably just in a holding cell?

That's probably the time the officers nabbed him, or at least the time they wrote when they arrived at the jail. Depending on how busy the night was, 3-4 hours in transit and then waiting for the magistrate isn't unusual. I don't know what time he got to the jail, but it might have been meal time, shift change, or head count- all things that can delay intake due to staffing.

Remember that he was caught out of the county he was wanted in, and the officers who nabbed him were all patrol guys. Anything is possible, but the odds they immediately took him off to be interrogated are near zero. This just isn't that high profile of an offense- the investigators may still not have spoken to him, and unless he decided to start blabbing about his sexual prowess to the arresting officers, they weren't about to mirandize and question him for a case in an entirely different district.

 

[Pancake Batterer]

Chris has previous history of fighting like a cretin to avoid a sweetheart deal.

Yes, Chris loves the path of least resistance, and is a firm believer in shitting your pants and doing nothing.

However: Chris is also incredibly stubborn and stupid.

Take “Da Merge” for example. Was that the path of least resistance? Or playacting like Sonichu for like a year?

Chris also HATES to be “misunderstood”

Chris doesn’t think he did anything wrong and has a good part of his personality tied up in being “kind and caring”.

I could totally see him refuse some sweetheart deal of a two year suspended sentence, and instead risk ten years in the slammer if it means he doesnt have to say: “Yes, I Christine Weston Chandler is a rapist and raped my 80 year old mother!”

I hope they record his allocution if he does end up taking a deal though