Chris court appearance

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Do we even know if it's empty? Is Barb still in the hospital, or was she let out?

Dementia patients who don't know where they are and have no caretakers aren't let out of the hospital.

 

[Barley]

Dementia patients who don't know where they are and have no caretakers aren't let out of the hospital.

But considering her dementia hasn't been confirmed yet, there's also the case she could return. Still, I don't think she is even able to take care of herself anymore even if she was of very old but still sound mind, the fact she had to depend on a mongoloid as Chris for so long is the biggest proof of her current lack of independence.

 

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Dementia patients who don't know where they are and have no caretakers aren't let out of the hospital.

Nice to know.

What about Barb? Was she deemed unfit or what have you? Last I heard she wasn't.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

for people speculating the sentence: don't forget the multiple, more minor offenses he's done

Pardon my Eurofaggotry but don’t certain US states have the whole Three Strikes-thingy? Would running Snyder over and the BLARM macing come back to haunt Chris again..?

 

[Owlflaps]

Pardon my Eurofaggotry but don’t certain US states have the whole Three Strikes-thingy? Would running Snyder over and the BLARM macing come back to haunt Chris again..?

The Three Strikes law is only implemented in half of the US. There's been talk of repealing the law because the prison system is overfilled to capacity with petty criminals that committed shitty misdemeanors on top of having murderers. Chris wouldn't have any consideration anyways, since most the crimes he committed were in Bumfuck Nowhere, West Virginia.

 

[spinch]

Pardon my Eurofaggotry but don’t certain US states have the whole Three Strikes-thingy? Would running Snyder over and the BLARM macing come back to haunt Chris again..?

some states have three-strikes but i've only ever seen three-strikes apply to three small misdemeanors. (IE drugs, simple battery, and then drugs another time gets you locked up). It's never two minor crimes and then a huge one like incestuous rape.

even without the three-strikes rule, though, his priors will be taken into account. no doubt the prosecutor will use them as 'evidence' that Chris is a menace to society.

 

[Doctor Krieger]

Not sure how many people have seen this here, but.... this kinda feels accurate to right now....

 

[Clostridium Botulinum]

If Chris was charged, doesn't that mean that the house has been checked for evidence already?

Not necessarily. The arrest warrant was for Incest and AFAIK, mostly based on the text exchange between Null and Chris, as well as the ILJ call. The police can still search 14BC for evidence of other crimes (abuse of elderly, rape, etc...) In addition, both sides can continue to collect evidence via warrants and subpoenas as long as discovery has been established.

 

[Rukario]

If Chris was charged, doesn't that mean that the house has been checked for evidence already?

That's the assumption, as its unlikely the police would charge him on just an audio leak as evidence. As well as this, its likely even if they hadn't searched it already they will again, due to Chris demanding he go back and get his stuff. Although we all know he wanted his toys and vidya, the Judge and Prosecutor would have seen it as an attempt to hide or destroy evidence.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

Not necessarily. The arrest warrant was for Incest and AFAIK, mostly based on the text exchange between Null and Chris, as well as the ILJ call.

That's rather naive assumption. Chris was arrested 2.5 days after Barb was isolated and she was isolated on the premise of that call, that someone sent to the police i.e. call alone wasn't enough to arrest Chris until they'd found something else, probably some physical evidence on Barb.

That's the assumption, as its unlikely the police would charge him on just an audio leak as evidence. As well as this, its likely even if they hadn't searched it already they will again, due to Chris demanding he go back and get his stuff. Although we all know he wanted his toys and vidya, the Judge and Prosecutor would have seen it as an attempt to hide or destroy evidence.

Poor cops.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Nice to know.

What about Barb? Was she deemed unfit or what have you? Last I heard she wasn't.

No one will tell you or I anything about her medical status. HiPPa is a bitch. The county can't say anything specific about Barbs healthcare.

The County went to the house to do a wellness check, following the Chris Chan incest leaks. The social worker/investigator absolutely saw something in that house, and something going on with Barb, that he went nuclear. He had Barb sent to the hospital for evaluation. She clearly either did not or could not refuse. At this time she is either still in the hospital or a nursing facility.

If Barb is fully cognizant she can simply insist on leaving. She can sign out AMA. And the hospital could not stop her. Which is why all signs point to an easily evaluated case of dementia. OBS. Alzheimers, whatever.

 

[The Dude]

The Three Strikes law is only implemented in half of the US. There's been talk of repealing the law because the prison system is overfilled to capacity with petty criminals that committed shitty misdemeanors on top of having murderers. Chris wouldn't have any consideration anyways, since most the crimes he committed were in Bumfuck Nowhere, West Virginia.

Chris lives in Virginia, not West Virginia. And Virginia isn't some sparsely populated wildland. A lot of people who work for the Federal Government in Washington DC live in Virginia. He's only about 20mins outside of Charlottesville, which is one of the largest cities in the State and he falls under the jurisdiction of their DA.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

If Barb is fully cognizant she can simply insist on leaving. She can sign out AMA. And the hospital could not stop her. Which is why all signs point to an easily evaluated case of [...] OBS

It's so cool that Barb wants to answer questions on Reddit, and is getting into streaming!

some states have three-strikes but i've only ever seen three-strikes apply to three small misdemeanors. (IE drugs, simple battery, and then drugs another time gets you locked up). It's never two minor crimes and then a huge one like incestuous rape.

even without the three-strikes rule, though, his priors will be taken into account. no doubt the prosecutor will use them as 'evidence' that Chris is a menace to society.

Virginia's three strikes law only applies to specific classes of violent felonies. Chris has no violent felony convictions as his past assault convictions were all lowered to misdemeanors. Chris is not facing a life sentence here at all.

Some states like California have had stupid laws where you got three strikes if you did two bad things and then the third strike could be shoplifting a candy bar. It still would not be applicable in Chris' case, but if Chris gets a felony sex crime conviction here it will be only his first strike.

 

[SigueSigueSpergnik]

The police can still search 14BC for evidence of other crimes (abuse of elderly, rape, etc...)

Since 14BC is the location where at least one crime (incest) is known to have taken place, a warrant may not be necessary. If I were the cops, however, I'd make sure to obtain one before searching just to be on the safe side since law enforcement didn't witness the act itself. That's one of those things where you don't want the prosecutor getting the case thrown out because of an illegal search.

In addition, both sides can continue to collect evidence via warrants and subpoenas as long as discovery has been established.

Not sure what you mean by this; discovery is something that happens before a trial between the defense and prosecution. It's also not clear why subpoenas would be required when everyone involved in the crime is either in custody or not going anywhere in a hurry.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Virginia's three strikes law only applies to specific classes of violent felonies. Chris has no violent felony convictions as his past assault convictions were all lowered to misdemeanors.

The Tard Card(TM) saved him again. He really should’ve gotten charged with assault in both cases.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Since 14BC is the location where at least one crime (incest) is known to have taken place, a warrant may not be necessary. If I were the cops, however, I'd make sure to obtain one before searching just to be on the safe side since law enforcement didn't witness the act itself. That's one of those things where you don't want the prosecutor getting the case thrown out because of an illegal search.

Not sure what you mean by this; discovery is something that happens before a trial between the defense and prosecution. It's also not clear why subpoenas would be required when everyone involved in the crime is either in custody or not going anywhere in a hurry.

Chris' own confessions and photos from the crime scenes will probably be enough. They could bother with subpoenaing Null and Bella but it's probably not worth it for a case they most likely just want to go away along with Chris being locked up for a reasonable period of time. Chris likes showmanship like stamping in court but also likes things to be faster and easier.

I think the biggest thing preventing Chris from demanding a trial is that he can't get an instant trial and instead would have to wait many weeks or months for it to even happen. He'll only demand a trial if he feels he *must* showboat while demanding it (and thus the showboating is the reward rather than the future promise of more showboating ten million years in the future).

The Tard Card(TM) saved him again. He really should’ve gotten charged with assault in both cases.

Nah. It's normal in cases of assault where nobody is seriously hurt to get pled down to misdemeanor assault. The car hitting Michael Snyder could've stayed a felony, but with no priors almost any competent attorney could get that down to misdemeanor unless you hit a cop or a kid or something.

Gamestop pepper spray didn't actually land on any mucous membranes, also easy to plead down.

Felony assault convictions are for when you're trying to cause grievous bodily harm to someone. While the prosecutor has a lot of leeway in what they can charge people with, in most cases the felony charge is just incentive to take the offer of a misdemeanor and close the case fast and easy while still giving the prosecutor a win.

If Chris had crushed Snyder's leg or something, and if he had prior convictions, it would have probably stayed a felony.

 

[SigueSigueSpergnik]

And Virginia isn't some sparsely populated wildland.

Chris is in a fairly rural part of the state, and the population density is pretty low.

A lot of people who work for the Federal Government in Washington DC live in Virginia.

Yes, but that's in the Northern part of the state, where it borders on DC and Maryland. Places like Arlington, Vienna, Reston, etc. are commuter belt for DC. Charlottesville isn't; it's about 2.5 hours from DC.

He's only about 20mins outside of Charlottesville, which is one of the largest cities in the State

Charlottesville is about the 20th-largest city in Virginia. Has been for some time. It's not really a sprawling metropolis, though UVA can make it seem that way. Traffic there sucks.

and he falls under the jurisdiction of their DA.

The Commonwealth's Attorney (equivalent to the DA in other states) in Charlottesville does not have jurisdiction over the case as Ruckersville is in Greene County and Charlottesville is in Albermarle County.

Chris' own confessions and photos from the crime scenes will probably be enough.

Maybe. Expect a court to give considerably more credence to photos than a confession, though.

Unless the photos show him balls-deep in Barb, however, even those may not be enough proof.

They could bother with subpoenaing Null and Bella but it's probably not worth it for a case they most likely just want to go away along with Chris being locked up for a reasonable period of time.

Bella's the interesting one here. She - for a period of several weeks, if I'm understanding the sequence of events correctly - had knowledge of an insidious sex crime repeatedly taking place and did nothing to report it.

I'm honestly not certain how far duty to report may apply in her case (if at all), and it's complicated by the fact that she's not also in Virginia. However, she clearly had knowledge of what was going on, and at the very least that makes her of interest to the prosecution.

Chris likes showmanship like stamping in court but also likes things to be faster and easier.

Yeah, but (momentary powerlevel): I've seen Chris in court, in person. He knows better than to fuck with the proceedings because that's a good way to piss off the judge, but he also requires a handler to make sure that any disruptions that he may be building up to are headed off before they can happen.

Barb used to be in the handler role. She won't be this time. His attorney is going to have to learn how to work with him before going in front of a judge or he'll end up being a pain in the ass for contempt.

I think the biggest thing preventing Chris from demanding a trial is that he can't get an instant trial and instead would have to wait many weeks or months for it to even happen. He'll only demand a trial if he feels he *must* showboat while demanding it (and thus the showboating is the reward rather than the future promise of more showboating ten million years in the future).

He can't demand anything right now; he hasn't even been arraigned, never mind having a hearing or trial date set.

Realistically, we don't know what his options are going to be until Sept. 16th. Maybe he will be judged incompetent and the whole thing goes off in another direction. He could fire his lawyer on day one and demand to represent himself. Or he beats off under the table while intently locking eyes with the judge and the bailiff beats the shit out of him with a truncheon. We just don't know.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Maybe. Expect a court to give considerably more credence to photos than a confession, though.

Unless the photos show him balls-deep in Barb, however, even those may not be enough proof.

Bella's the interesting one here. She - for a period of several weeks, if I'm understanding the sequence of events correctly - had knowledge of an insidious sex crime repeatedly taking place and did nothing to report it.

I'm honestly not certain how far duty to report may apply in her case (if at all), and it's complicated by the fact that she's not also in Virginia. However, she clearly had knowledge of what was going on, and at the very least that makes her of interest to the prosecution.

Yeah, but (momentary powerlevel): I've seen Chris in court, in person. He knows better than to fuck with the proceedings because that's a good way to piss off the judge, but he also requires a handler to make sure that any disruptions that he may be building up to are headed off before they can happen.

Barb used to be in the handler role. She won't be this time. His attorney is going to have to learn how to work with him before going in front of a judge or he'll end up being a pain in the ass for contempt.

He can't demand anything right now; he hasn't even been arraigned, never mind having a hearing or trial date set.

Realistically, we don't know what his options are going to be until Sept. 16th. Maybe he will be judged incompetent and the whole thing goes off in another direction. He could fire his lawyer on day one and demand to represent himself. Or he beats off under the table while intently locking eyes with the judge and the bailiff beats the shit out of him with a truncheon. We just don't know.

I doubt Chris recorded anything incriminating (he records stuff for interaction, but in this case Barb was his interaction, so no recording neeeded), but I bet good money he left used condoms with both his and Barb's DNA on them lying around.

Private citizens not acting in a professional capacity do not have a duty to report in Virginia. ALL PERSONS have a duty to report elder abuse in Texas (with incest specifically mentioned), where she was at the time, and the way I read the law it doesn't seem to specify where the crime-to-be-reported takes place. I highly doubt Texas would bother prosecuting this for a crime in a distant state though.

Winning strategy for the state: Find the best, most attractive big-boobied female assistant prosecutor and Chris will just do whatever she says, ignoring his own (male) attorney. Possibly while beating off under the table.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Nah. It's normal in cases of assault where nobody is seriously hurt to get pled down to misdemeanor assault. The car hitting Michael Snyder could've stayed a felony, but with no priors almost any competent attorney could get that down to misdemeanor unless you hit a cop or a kid or something.

Gamestop pepper spray didn't actually land on any mucous membranes, also easy to plead down.

Felony assault convictions are for when you're trying to cause grievous bodily harm to someone. While the prosecutor has a lot of leeway in what they can charge people with, in most cases the felony charge is just incentive to take the offer of a misdemeanor and close the case fast and easy while still giving the prosecutor a win.

If Chris had crushed Snyder's leg or something, and if he had prior convictions, it would have probably stayed a felony.

So in essence, Chris’ incompetence and inability to do anything right saved him. I mean, the car incident we don’t really know exactly what happened (if he intentionally aimed at Snyder or just tard-panicked) but with the macing he clearly intended to properly squirt that poor employee - he was just shit at aiming.

Almost makes you think if he’ll get off scotch free because it turns out that while he thought he was fucking the hole he emerged from, he was just weakly humping the sofa/bed they were laying on.

 

[The Dude]

Chris is in a fairly rural part of the state, and the population density is pretty low.

Yes, but that's in the Northern part of the state, where it borders on DC and Maryland. Places like Arlington, Vienna, Reston, etc. are commuter belt for DC. Charlottesville isn't; it's about 2.5 hours from DC.

Charlottesville is about the 20th-largest city in Virginia. Has been for some time. It's not really a sprawling metropolis, though UVA can make it seem that way. Traffic there sucks.

The Commonwealth's Attorney (equivalent to the DA in other states) in Charlottesville does not have jurisdiction over the case as Ruckersville is in Greene County and Charlottesville is in Albermarle County.

Charlottesville is still a sizable urban area and Chris isn't some hillbilly living in a one-room tarpaper shack in the hills. "Semi-rural" would be more accurate since Ruckersville is so close to Charlottesville.