Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[ShittyRecolor]

I don't know the ins and outs of RT, but is it common for the same review score to count as both fresh and rotten on separate reviews?

 

[Chewy Suarez]

I don't know the ins and outs of RT, but is it common for the same review score to count as both fresh and rotten on separate reviews?

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Some considered rotten reviews can actually be fresh or vice versa. Some of the Aquaman reviews were actually positive but listed as negative by the site’s algorithm for having 2.5/4.

That’s probably at work here. But that’s my best guess.

EDIT: Also, like @_blank_ has stated, Metacritic is considered more trustable and it’s currently sitting at around 66%. Ouch!

 

[That Chris Guy]

Considering that Disney's marketing for Captain Marvel is even worse than either The Last Jedi and Solo that it's now turning itself to a real-life equivalent to Big Brother from George Orwell's 1984 (although this by itself isn't surprising either coming from a greedy mass media company).

Well it would be par for the course, considering that Civil War 2 had Captain Marvel literally wanting to go full 1984. Yet this somehow gave her the President's ear and she is now supposedly the most popular character in Marvel.

In layman's terms, CURRENT YEAR+4 Marvel Universe is re.tarded.

The more I think about it, it seems like this was a notable misstep for the Feige regime. It may have been a safer bet to make a movie about Nova and the Nova Corps. Sure, his name is literally Dick Ryder (hur hur) and he also feels like a discount Hal Jordan, but since he's a white male they could spend a lot less time preaching their agendas and more of it, you know, writing a good story.

Besides, Green Lantern wasn't a resounding success so they have a framework on what they would need to focus on to improve.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Well it would be par for the course, considering that Civil War 2 had Captain Marvel literally wanting to go full 1984. Yet this somehow gave her the President's ear and she is now supposedly the most popular character in Marvel.

In layman's terms, CURRENT YEAR+4 Marvel Universe is re.tarded.

I'm still waiting for all non-cosmic post-Secret Wars 2015 Marvel stories to be retconned away into nothing.

 

[friedshrimp]

Honestly I'd rather have little but well-written representation over a lot of representation that's badly / blandly written but is praised for just existing/being propaganda. Liking a character for their personality > Liking them for their skin or vagina.

Also Rogue >>>>>>>>> Captain Marvel, and that's fact.

 

[Mike Hunt]

So I just came from a CM screening. I didn’t read reviews beforehand because I wanted to give the film a fair shake beyond Brie’s horrible marketing tour. In a nutshell, the film isn’t bad, just too on the nose, and Brie lacked the charm all the other Avengers have. She’s a terrible casting decision on Feige’s part. She got hard-carried by the rest of the cast.

 

[howyadoin]

Brie lacked the charm all the other Avengers have. She’s a terrible casting decision on Feige’s part. She got hard-carried by the rest of the cast.

Even her Oscar trophy couldn't save her.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Even her Oscar trophy couldn't save her.

True. An Oscar doesn’t automatically mean a good fit for a character. Like, Daniel Day-Lewis is one of the all-time great actors with multiple Oscars under his belt, but you wouldn’t cast him for, say, Scott Lang’s Ant-Man. It’s just not a good fit.

 

[RockVolnutt]

So I just came from a CM screening. I didn’t read reviews beforehand because I wanted to give the film a fair shake beyond Brie’s horrible marketing tour. In a nutshell, the film isn’t bad, just too on the nose, and Brie lacked the charm all the other Avengers have. She’s a terrible casting decision on Feige’s part. She got hard-carried by the rest of the cast.

Can you define "on the nose" in a spoiler? Was any of that "4chan leak" accurate?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

She’s a terrible casting decision on Feige’s part. She got hard-carried by the rest of the cast.

I think someone like Kate Winslet or Emma Stone would have been miles better as Carol.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I think someone like Kate Winslet or Emma Stone would have been miles better as Carol.

I think the character should just be dumpstered at this point because it seems like her comic incarnations never go well.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Can you define "on the nose" in a spoiler? Was any of that "4chan leak" accurate?

I might be misusing the phrase there, but I kinda used it to mean that the plot is too straightforward, with stated expositions instead of taking time to maybe show some of them. Apologies if I used the phrase wrongly.

As for the leak:

Spoiler: Yes or No here

Yes.

 

[damian]

 

[StarkRavingMad]

So, real talk here: Captain Marvel has always been a D-lister. There has never been anyone who has said that Captain Marvel is their favorite superhero, lol.

I don't mind that they made Carol Danvers THE Captain Marvel, for the most part. Like, whatever, man. Do what you need to do to make that title more interesting. The problem, though, is that she's a grade-A Cuntasaurus Rex in the comics. She is extremely unlikable and anti-fun ... And Marvel Comics is shoving her down our throats, saying that we're going to have to deal with this character in the spotlight and LIKE it.

I was open to a Captain Marvel movie because (a) the MCU has created a certain level of trust with its fans, and (b) If you change some things about Carol here and there, then she can easily be re-imagined as a likable character. An Air Force pilot who gets super powers? You can EASILY make that character likable, especially among American audiences.

Looks like the MCU did not do that, though. It's a real shame. Feels bad, man. What the hell is up with Disney these days and being fully incapable of making their protagonists likable?

 

[_blank_]

So, real talk here: Captain Marvel has always been a D-lister. There has never been anyone who has said that Captain Marvel is their favorite superhero, lol.

I don't mind that they made Carol Danvers THE Captain Marvel, for the most part. Like, whatever, man. Do what you need to do to make that title more interesting. The problem, though, is that she's a grade-A Cuntasaurus Rex in the comics. She is extremely unlikable and anti-fun ... And Marvel Comics is shoving her down our throats, saying that we're going to have to deal with this character in the spotlight and LIKE it.

I was open to a Captain Marvel movie because (a) the MCU has created a certain level of trust with its fans, and (b) If you change some things about Carol here and there, then she can easily be re-imagined as a likable character. An Air Force pilot who gets super powers? You can EASILY make that character likable, especially among American audiences.

Looks like the MCU did not do that, though. It's a real shame. Feels bad, man. What the hell is up with Disney these days and being fully incapable of making their protagonists likable?

The problem with Disney's lackluster characters is twofold:

1) They're afraid of stepping on stepping on anyone's toes and instead focus on making characters as blaise and/or as one dimensional as possible. They only times they allow the characters to be more than that is if they have a pre-existing backstory which they can allude to but not so much as to make the show too mature. Case in point - Tony Stark partying it up in Iron Man 2. Obviously an allusion to the "Demon In A Bottle" storyline, but instead of Tony having to face his demons and become a deep character study, they just have War Machine slap him around a bit and Tony wakes up in the morning and eats some donuts. This leads us into point two...

2) Disney/Marvel Studios/Star Wars are lazy as fuck when it comes to writing. Most of what they build they MCU on was heavily cribbing from taking the choicest cuts from Marvel's pre-existing storylines. This is how they continue to cater to fans because they just follow what was already laid out and go from there. but in the case of Captain Marvel, as you said, she really doesn't have a lot of amazing stories to pull from. Most of what Captain Marvel was known for is: getting her powers sapped by Rogue, being raped by a space alien named Marcus from the future so she can give to him again in the past (comics in the 80s were weird), and being a recovering alcoholic in the late 90s and going by the name Thunderbird. That's about fucking it until Marvel decided they needed to make her a flagship character in the 00s because... yes.

Here's the thing though that MCU fans are going to have to quickly come to realize: Disney/Marvel can only go to the well so many times before it dries up. While hardcore Marvel fans might clamber for movies about Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and the Thunderbolts, most of the general public are only going to be interested in the big showcase characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, and Iron Man. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule such as Guardians of the Galaxy, but I can just about guarantee you, people are going to stopping caring when marvel is stuck with trying to hype up C and D-listers like the New Warriors, Darkhawk, and Slapstick. They're going to milk this cash cow to death and I fear Captain Marvel is just the beginning of the downward spiral.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The problem with Disney's lackluster characters is twofold:

1) They're afraid of stepping on stepping on anyone's toes and instead focus on making characters as blaise and/or as one dimensional as possible. They only times they allow the characters to be more than that is if they have a pre-existing backstory which they can allude to but not so much as to make the show too mature. Case in point - Tony Stark partying it up in Iron Man 2. Obviously an allusion to the "Demon In A Bottle" storyline, but instead of Tony having to face his demons and become a deep character study, they just have War Machine slap him around a bit and Tony wakes up in the morning and eats some donuts. This leads us into point two...

2) Disney/Marvel Studios/Star Wars are lazy as fuck when it comes to writing. Most of what they build they MCU on was heavily cribbing from taking the choicest cuts from Marvel's pre-existing storylines. This is how they continue to cater to fans because they just follow what was already laid out and go from there. but in the case of Captain Marvel, as you said, she really doesn't have a lot of amazing stories to pull from. Most of what Captain Marvel was known for is: getting her powers sapped by Rogue, being raped by a space alien named Marcus from the future so she can give to him again in the past (comics in the 80s were weird), and being a recovering alcoholic in the late 90s and going by the name Thunderbird. That's about fucking it until Marvel decided they needed to make her a flagship character in the 00s because... yes.

Here's the thing though that MCU fans are going to have to quickly come to realize: Disney/Marvel can only go to the well so many times before it dries up. While hardcore Marvel fans might clamber for movies about Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and the Thunderbolts, most of the general public are only going to be interested in the big showcase characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, and Iron Man. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule such as Guardians of the Galaxy, but I can just about guarantee you, people are going to stopping caring when marvel is stuck with trying to hype up C and D-listers like the New Warriors, Darkhawk, and Slapstick. They're going to tard cum this cash cow to death and I fear Captain Marvel is just the beginning of the downward spiral.

As a big Marvel and MCU fan myself, I had told myself years ago that once the Infinity Gauntlet storyline is complete, that the quality of the movies would dip. Nothing lasts forever. I was fully planning to stop going to see every MCU movie in theaters once Endgame was done ... With the exception of future Spider-Man movies (and Guardians of the Galaxy movies ... Before shit hit the fan this past Summer with James Gunn, that is).

Captain Marvel being a movie that sucks? Whatever. I can deal with that. Captain Marvel ruining the grand finale of the 11 years worth of buildup? Yeah, that really sucks, and I have no words to describe how disappointed, sad, and mad I'll be if she ruins Endgame.

The future of the MCU ain't going to rest on the Avengers when they no longer have the original members of the team. The future of the MCU is going to have to depend on the Twentieth Century Fox characters ... Like the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Silver Surfer.

 

[MediocreMilt]

The future of the MCU ain't going to rest on the Avengers when they no longer have the original members of the team. The future of the MCU is going to have to depend on the Twentieth Century Fox characters ... Like the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Silver Surfer.

Sooo... you expect them to finally have a good F4 movie? Because the property has been picked up by Disney?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Sooo... you expect them to finally have a good F4 movie? Because the property has been picked up by Disney?

The MCU has had a very good track record for 10+ years. This moment in time is the very first time I've been worried about the future for the brand.

If they drop the shit they're doing for Captain Marvel, I can see Feige doing good things with the Fantastic Four, finally.

 

[friedshrimp]

As if Disney/ Feige will bring them over. The way they act, they'll probably prefer making a movie about Squirrel Girl than making a character "that's been done before!", like they did with so many Spiderman characters. Goodbye MCU Green Goblin, MCU Doctor Doom, MCU Magneto...

 

[RockVolnutt]

The problem with Disney's lackluster characters is twofold:

1) They're afraid of stepping on stepping on anyone's toes and instead focus on making characters as blaise and/or as one dimensional as possible. They only times they allow the characters to be more than that is if they have a pre-existing backstory which they can allude to but not so much as to make the show too mature. Case in point - Tony Stark partying it up in Iron Man 2. Obviously an allusion to the "Demon In A Bottle" storyline, but instead of Tony having to face his demons and become a deep character study, they just have War Machine slap him around a bit and Tony wakes up in the morning and eats some donuts. This leads us into point two...

2) Disney/Marvel Studios/Star Wars are lazy as fuck when it comes to writing. Most of what they build they MCU on was heavily cribbing from taking the choicest cuts from Marvel's pre-existing storylines. This is how they continue to cater to fans because they just follow what was already laid out and go from there. but in the case of Captain Marvel, as you said, she really doesn't have a lot of amazing stories to pull from. Most of what Captain Marvel was known for is: getting her powers sapped by Rogue, being raped by a space alien named Marcus from the future so she can give to him again in the past (comics in the 80s were weird), and being a recovering alcoholic in the late 90s and going by the name Thunderbird. That's about fucking it until Marvel decided they needed to make her a flagship character in the 00s because... yes.

Here's the thing though that MCU fans are going to have to quickly come to realize: Disney/Marvel can only go to the well so many times before it dries up. While hardcore Marvel fans might clamber for movies about Moon Knight, She-Hulk, and the Thunderbolts, most of the general public are only going to be interested in the big showcase characters like Spider-Man, Captain America, and Iron Man. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule such as Guardians of the Galaxy, but I can just about guarantee you, people are going to stopping caring when marvel is stuck with trying to hype up C and D-listers like the New Warriors, Darkhawk, and Slapstick. They're going to tard cum this cash cow to death and I fear Captain Marvel is just the beginning of the downward spiral.

This has always been my silly issue with adaptations of Marvel or DC capeshit but I don't really think they work outside their native medium. As much as people complain about it, their main appeal is their century long continuity and soapy writing. The serialization of Amazing Spider-Man comics doesn't really translate well into film where you have years between releases and an ever-expanding production cost. Sometimes cartoons like Spectacular Spider-Man or any of the DCAU shows get close to capturing the feel of it but never live action movies.

The MCU is really an oddity in how it was constructed. The "Big Two" are stereotyped as only producing superheros but their comic universes are more a product of trying to add context to their publishing history, both as a marketing gimmick to get people to buy different titles and stringing together practically every genre under the sun to create settings where any kind of story can fit.

I imagine someone else would be better at condensing what I'm talking about.