Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[Lucille Bluth]

DC beat them to the punch with first wamman lead in the form of Wonder Woman, which was... actually pretty good, definitely on the right hand side of the bell curve of quality w/r/t superhero movies in general (hell, if had been an MCU entry, it probably would be even better-remembered today.) So I think they're pushing the "muh feminism" angle just to have something to distinguish it beyond it's generic title and unlikable lead.

Which wasn't "technically" correct. You had Supergirl in 1984 and Electra and Catwoman in the mid 2000s (the latter of which starred two PEE-O-SEEs Halle Berry and Benjamin Bratt as the lead roles). Though Wonder Woman is the only one that is viewed as "good" and was directed solely by a female director. Captain Marvel doesn't even get that distinction.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Which wasn't "technically" correct. You had Supergirl in 1984 and Electra and Catwoman in the mid 2000s (the latter of which starred two PEE-O-SEEs Halle Berry and Benjamin Bratt as the lead roles). Though Wonder Woman is the only one that is viewed as "good" and was directed solely by a female director. Captain Marvel doesn't even get that distinction.

True, but Black Panther didn't really have the first black lead either (Steel, Blade, Hancock, Spawn, the aforementioned Catwoman) but nobody counted them because nothing that happened before the current Marvel trend is "real" in journalists' minds for some fucking reason.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

True, but Black Panther didn't really have the first black lead either (Steel, Blade, Hancock, Spawn, the aforementioned Catwoman) but nobody counted them because nothing that happened before the current Marvel trend is "real" in journalists' minds for some fucking reason.

I can "explain" why people discredit those other black/African-American lead films. Those films didn't "feel" "black". As in they were "just" superhero films but with an African-American lead. Black Panther was "different" because it focused on "black issues" and gave us every SJWs dream: A fictional country that was untouched by European colonizers. It was also directed by an African-American and had a "diverse" cast of mostly African descent people.

That's actually a summarized explanation I saw on tumblr or twitter or whatever.

As for Captain Marvel, she truly has nothing going for her to break out like Black Panther. We've had countless female lead films not just superheroes. At least Black Panther could say that they drew inspiration on African culture and had mostly Africans/African-Americans in the main cast.

Captain Marvel is just another space/heavily cgi alien movie that just happens to star a woman. And even then she's not "politically" correct because she's a Blonde White girl. Wonder Woman is more popular, showed us a woman only island, had a sole female director and the casting of Gal Gadot had some "political correctness" points because the lead actress is Middle Eastern (Israeli) and looks kind of "brown".

 

[GrungyLawnChlorinate]

Captain Marvel film targeted as trolls 'review bomb' Rotten Tomatoes
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They've got their agenda engine primed up already! They are claiming that trolls are leaving fake reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. That is a lie. No reviews are allowed by users until the film is released. The 'reviews' they are talking about are 'want to see' comments, not reviews. They merely ask users if they want to see the film, why or why not.

They are already forming the narrative that the Big Bad Trolls are out to get womyn. Since the lead is white at least they cannot falsely claim racism as their victimhood lynchpin of choice this time around like they did with Black Panther. They are equating a desire to avoid seeing Captain Marvel with being a sexist (and probably racist homophobic) troll. There is no doubt that victimhood activism is the form that their media assault will take, same as with Black Panther. It got that movie a 97% rating at Rotten Tomatoes, and lots of undeserved acclaim, despite it being a sub-mediocre movie worth of maybe a 40-50% score. It was worse than even the first Ant-man, yet victimhood activism saved it from criticism. They pushed so hard to paint everyone who criticized the film as racists, as they will push hard to paint all that criticize Captain Marvel as sexist MAGA-hat-wearing Trump supporters (worse possible insult).

The sexist card isn't as powerful as the racist one, so I doubt it's going to be as effective this time. It also hurts them that Brie Larson is a racist, sexist imbecile who cannot act and has zero charisma. At least the actors in Black Panther were likable.

 

[Xerxes IX]

the casting of Gal Gadot had some "political correctness" points because the lead actress is Middle Eastern (Israeli) and looks kind of "brown".

They also didn't use that as virtue signal marketing to say anyone who disliked Wonder Woman was antisemitic. In fact the only time it got brought up that I remember was when people were talking about her being anti Palestine.

 

[IV 445]

Hey @Chester Rigby it would be interesting to have a yes or no poll in the OP about if we are going to see it or not.

 

[RG 448]

Hey @Chester Rigby it would be interesting to have a yes or no poll in the OP about if we are going to see it or not.

I wonder how many people out there aren’t going to see it because they don’t give a shit what comes between Infinity War and Endgame because they just want to close the book on this franchise and move on. I’m definitely in that camp. Haven’t seen Ant Man and the Wasp neither.

Not to say that this trend of turning big-budget pop culture flicks into culture wars isn’t fucking obnoxious as well.

 

[Zaryiu]

Hey @Chester Rigby it would be interesting to have a yes or no poll in the OP about if we are going to see it or not.

Anyone that vote yes is a fool easily separeted from their money. Carol Danvers has never been a character worth caring for in 51 years and tis movie is only going to keep that record going

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I never expected a unlikeable actress as Brie Larson to tank the MCU.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

I wonder how many people out there aren’t going to see it because they don’t give a shit what comes between Infinity War and Endgame because they just want to close the book on this franchise and move on. I’m definitely in that camp. Haven’t seen Ant Man and the Wasp neither.

Not to say that this trend of turning big-budget pop culture flicks into culture wars isn’t fucking obnoxious as well.

Endgame to me is like how I felt about the last Harry Potter film, whereas we just want it to close the book and move on.

Much like Deathly Hollows Part 2, Endgame’s ending is probably going to feel like a statisfying ending.

Though Captain Marvel is going to sour the prehype.

 

[Positron]

Larson has no presence for a heroic self-sacrificing Captain GoodGuy character. Ironically she's most likable when playing a spiteful bitch. She should play one of the title characters in a Heathers remake. I dunno, it's like casting Charisma Carpenter as Supergirl. Just wouldn't work.

Larson is a very believable actress who is absolutely devoid of charisma, which makes her a bad fit in a superhero film. Such films need to sell the character from the get-go. in other words, they need someone who look the part even before putting the costumes on, someone like Chris Hemsworth and Jennifer Lawrence. The audience won't have the patience to wait until the third act to discover that this dimunitive, dirty-faced, scowling woman has what it takes to save the world after all.

Even Lady Gaga would make a more appropriate Captain than Larson.

 

[howyadoin]

Oh no.

Have they even heard Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, and countless of other female Marvel superheroes who also used their powers to protect the weakest and most marginalized members of society? Heck, Scarlet Witch herself is part of a marginalized group. There's no backlash against them.

And with capeshit getting a new, SJW audience from Captain Marvel, do we have to repeat the argument that has been thrown many times in Comicsgate (with little to no success) on how superheroes are different from SJWs (who aren't literally social justice warriors, by the way) and how even if the capeshit genre back then did want to give a message, they still provided good storytelling? Comic book fans who had actually read comics know what they're talking about.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

That's total bullshit. Superheroes protect EVERYBODY. Spider-Man doesn't swing into a burning building and prioritize the black victims because they're more marginalized. The problem with Brie Larson is that she's racist and sexist. That's why people are upset. SJW ideology is literally about demonizing and venerating people on the basis of their race and sex. If Spider-Man were an SJW who preached that white people could get out of a burning building on their own because they had privilege, people would be decrying him too.

 

[LN 910]

One of the potential snags with trying the "WAMMAN HERO" thing that they did with "PEE O'SEA HERO" Black Panther is that 1) Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel is even more D-list than BP, by a good margin and 2) they can't claim it's the first female-led anything, even with all the absurd caveats they had to give to BP to make that claim. DC beat them to the punch with first wamman lead in the form of Wonder Woman, which was... actually pretty good, definitely on the right hand side of the bell curve of quality w/r/t superhero movies in general (hell, if had been an MCU entry, it probably would be even better-remembered today.) So I think they're pushing the "muh feminism" angle just to have something to distinguish it beyond it's generic title and unlikable lead.

And also Black Panther's lore is cool, with an established fanbase, whereas Ms. Marvel was cool but they're taking most of her characterisation from the absolutely hated Carol Manvers incarnation.

EDIT: Comic Black Panther's lore is cool. And Ms. Marvel looked cool. Is what I'm getting at.

Oh no.

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Have they even heard Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, and countless of other female Marvel superheroes who also used their powers to protect the weakest and most marginalized members of society? Heck, Scarlet Witch herself is part of a marginalized group. There's no backlash against them.

And with capeshit getting a new, SJW audience from Captain Marvel, do we have to repeat the argument that has been thrown many times in Comicsgate (with little to no success) on how superheroes are different from SJWs (who aren't literally social justice warriors, by the way) and how even if the capeshit genre back then did want to give a message, they still provided good storytelling? Comic book fans who had actually read comics know what they're talking about.

>"Scott"
>Captain Marvel themed avatar and handle
>NPC buzzphrase despite the fact superheroes are just cops in colourful clothing, an occupation which SJWs fucking hate
Yep, it's a shill. Maybe he thinks Disney will send him some funkos if he goes down on them?

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Have they even heard Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, and countless of other female Marvel superheroes who also used their powers to protect the weakest and most marginalized members of society? Heck, Scarlet Witch herself is part of a marginalized group. There's no backlash against them.

Don’t tell these “critics” that male MCU fans love these characters, or else they’ll get triggered.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

In response to that exceptional tweet about superheroes being SJWs: The left is hilarious. They have always thought that just because moderate, conservative, and libertarian people don't believe that they should be forced into doing things, that they simply don't care about people. The left has been basically programmed to have that reaction. Then, when you actually look at the numbers, conservatives are the ones who are most likely to give to charity ... Not the left.

As someone who isn't left or a feminist, I enjoy superhero stories because these heroes CHOOSE to protect people. I've always thought that there was something inspiring about a super strong, powerful person who CHOOSES to use that greatness to help everyone else.

It's of no surprise to me that the shill media and the NPCs are attacking the "white men" who don't want to see this movie, despite the fact that men showed up to see Wonder Woman in droves ... And, you know, despite the fact that men have proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that they are fully supportive of strong female characters if the movie is good. Look at the critical and financial successes of Aliens, Terminator 2, Kill Bill ... Just to name a few. There have been plenty of male-led action movies that have been panned and have bombed because men didn't like those movies either. It's as if the whole "sexism" argument is completely based on fucking lies, and that at the end of the day, people just want a good movie.

Also, don't expect "white men" to respond well to your movie when the main marketing tactic is to bash that demographic for no fucking reason.

 

[Arachnomatricide]

If superheroes were real it would take about a week before SJWs viewed them the same way they view cops and the military.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I genuinly hope it tanks, not out of any objection over its politics. More that it'll be really funny because Marvel comics have wasted years building her up and doing the prep work for this movie so she can be the new wonder woman. Not to mention all the money the Rat has wasted shilling the same movie they've made about 10-15 times now.

The articles blaming from woke (bought) media will be worth it.

Then again their's something to be said for it being a smash hit and winning an oscar as a grand farce.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I genuinly hope it tanks, not out of any objection over its politics. More that it'll be really funny because Marvel comics have swasted years building her up and doing the prep work for this movie so she can be the new wonder woman. Not to mention all the money the Rat has wasted shilling the same movie they've made about 10-15 times now.

The articles blaming from woke (bought) media will be worth it.

Then again their's something to be said for it being a smash hit and winning an oscar as a grand farce.

As someone who saw Room (the film that Brie Larson won the Best Actress Oscar for) for the first time very recently, I thought that she was fantastic in it, and I thought she was very deserving of the award for her performance. I also think that the little boy in the movie should have received more recognition for his incredible performance.

I also think Brie Larson can pull off sexy very well, as I thought she looked absolutely gorgeous as Envy in the Scott Pilgrim movie (and I liked her performance as the character in that movie, too):

When it was first announced that Brie Larson was cast as Captain Marvel, I really wasn't a Negative Nancy about the movie or about the casting choice of Larson at first. I was like "Well, Carol Danvers in recent years has sucked in the comics, but the MCU can easily retcon a lot of that like they have with many other characters on film, and Brie Larson is a good actress, so ... Sure! I'd watch it."

Then, the trailers came out and left me underwhelmed. Then, Brie Larson opens her stupid trap about politics and how Captain Marvel is a political movie and quadruples down on it. Honest to god, I was NOT rooting against this movie from the get-go. Certain things have happened that have changed my mind, though. If Larson, Marvel Studios, and Disney want to make this comic book movie politically divisive a la Ghostbusters 2016, then I may very well sit this film out (which would be my first time doing so for any MCU movie).

 

[Chewy Suarez]

My friend wants to see this on premiere night but she’s the feminist type so I’m not shocked, she was a HUGE fan of Wonder Woman (which isn’t a bad thing, so was I) so I’m probably gonna tag along since hey free capeshit b4 Endgame and Shazam.

Wish me luck, boys.

 

[Kyria the Great]

If Larson, Marvel Studios, and Disney want to make this comic book movie politically divisive a la Ghostbusters 2016, then I may very well sit this film out (which would be my first time doing so for any MCU movie).

I honestly wonder if folks in marketing have had traumatic brain injuries because they seem to want to continue to go to the Ghostbusters 2016 type of marketing where females don't want to see it because generally those movies don't appeal to them and males don't want to see it when you tell them they are assholes. Though I do notice that when a movie has to rely on what it represents from the get-go for its marketing, it does seem to suspect that they are covering up a turkey that is colder than a Deep-Frozen Butterball.