Canada is a failed state

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Scale Smerch said:
This is what I hate most about him, you can just tell he's an arrogant ass under that carefully curated economist image. It's already well-known he blows up at getting questioned in any serious capacity, but we don't get to see much because of how hard the media circles the wagon. His first real scandal will be one to watch because he does not have the charisma or social skill necessary to pass it off and deflect in front of the cameras; Carney will melt down over it, and it will be very funny watching it happen.
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Reminds me of how Putin sucks at interviews outside of Russia where he gets prepared questions for him to easily answer.

Speaking of Russia, I'm surprised that the liberals are still supporting Ukraine given that Canada is very pro-China, and Russia doing poorly would be bad China as well.
OutInTheRain said:
If you've read his book, you realize he doesn't. He comes from a central planning top down ideology. His view of economics is to change the rules so he wins, rather than compete with a superior service or product. He can only exist in a world where the government tips the scales in his favour. Despite his schooling, he's not brilliant, he's not insightful, he's not clever. He looks down on the market, on the consumer, on the paying customer as being unable to understand his own self proclaimed brilliance. So government has to be involved to force the market to acquiesce to his whims.
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Just like how Angela Merkel was trained as a physicist and quantum chemist, but bought into anti-nuclear fear mongering.
 
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RGK5H said:
Alberta should just shut off the Oil taps to Ottawa until they get their way
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Alberta's only real power move is to refuse to send in the transfer payments.

No oil goes east, it all goes to the states for refining so the Fed's don't give a shit about that. Alberta could cut off the access to BC ports for the east but again BC only has some pretty shitty little ports, most imported goods again come up via train or truck via the US. Again the Feds would probably just end up shrugging and close off the routes into Alberta as leverage.

But stop sending in the tithe? Now that's a direct threat to Ottawa. They would respond quickly and probably violently. My guess they would send the RCMP to arrest the Premier while using the CBC to focus on how Alberta is being so greedy, not willing to their fair share etc etc. The ways and means have been thoroughly tested during the trucker convoy so they will not what to say to keep the majority of people on the Fed side.

If Alberta fights, we will fight alone. Central Canada hates us, the Maritimes depending on the money the Feds extort out of Alberta and, while I do love my Saskatchewan brothers, there are more people in Edmonton then all of Saskatchewan.

This is why Alberta will need US support to make anything work. Without US support, both material and morale, eventually they'd have to bend the knee to Ottawa again due to being choked off.

There is a reason why Ottawa is recruiting Janissary's in bulk. They do expect big problems in the future, and they will be ready to kill anyone who steps up with their foreign forces. Canada's getting worse in all metrics at a pretty steady rate so it doesn't take a genius to crunch some numbers and know when shit will get bad enough that even the Elbows Up die hard Liberal voter will start causing issues.

The elites will be ready to crack down, the question is will we?
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
There is a reason why Ottawa is recruiting Janissary's in bulk. They do expect big problems in the future, and they will be ready to kill anyone who steps up with their foreign forces. Canada's getting worse in all metrics at a pretty steady rate so it doesn't take a genius to crunch some numbers and know when shit will get bad enough that even the Elbows Up die hard Liberal voter will start causing issues.
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I wouldn't worry about those guys. They aren't sending their best, but they are sending their rapiest. But the good news is the jeets can be overpowered by the white women. We are mass importing third world welfare drones and using the military as a jobs program. I mean it already was, with the Liberals turning everyone into a massive bitch, as well as just massive because the CAF is fat as fuck.

Expect massive casualties in the next war.
 
Betonhaus said:
One way or another I expect Alberta to leave.
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The optimism is appreciated, but you are really naive if you expect enough of Calgary and Edmonton to vote in favour of independence to yield a 50%+1 outcome. At best any current referendum will yield ~25-30%, and the fight will be over securing leadership which actually has a modicum of public relations skill necessary to grow the core support. There's too many grifters and midwit morons involved right now to drive up the numbers.
 
Scale Smerch said:
The optimism is appreciated, but you are really naive if you expect enough of Calgary and Edmonton to vote in favour of independence to yield a 50%+1 outcome. At best any current referendum will yield ~25-30%, and the fight will be over securing leadership which actually has a modicum of public relations skill necessary to grow the core support. There's too many grifters and midwit morons involved right now to drive up the numbers.
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While you’re likely not wrong, I’m hoping they pull off the upset solely so I can see the Quebecistani’s seethe at them getting it done in one.

The bonus upside is if Alberta does pull off the miracle, you know the Quebec Separatist Boomers will be crawling out of the woodwork for one more chance at it before Father Time inevitably wins.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
While you’re likely not wrong, I’m hoping they pull off the upset solely so I can see the Quebecistani’s seethe at them getting it done in one.

The bonus upside is if Alberta does pull off the miracle, you know the Quebec Separatist Boomers will be crawling out of the woodwork for one more chance at it before Father Time inevitably wins.
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Don't get me wrong, I still hope any potential referendum succeeds, but I do not anticipate the current climate supporting enough fence sitting movement to trigger the Final Laurentian Solution. There's still too many boomers and jeet interests which can sink any vote thanks to our previous "leaders".
 
OutInTheRain said:
I wouldn't worry about those guys. They aren't sending their best, but they are sending their rapiest. But the good news is the jeets can be overpowered by the white women. We are mass importing third world welfare drones and using the military as a jobs program. I mean it already was, with the Liberals turning everyone into a massive bitch, as well as just massive because the CAF is fat as fuck.

Expect massive casualties in the next war.
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Jetpack Himmler said:
Let's not forget that the feds struggle with even equipping the CAF so it would be like Russia circa WWI where one soldier had the rifle and the one behind him would pick it up if he caught a bullet.
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I actually dont think the CAF could put down a rebellion in fucking PEI lol, much less one in alberta/sask.
 
Scale Smerch said:
The optimism is appreciated, but you are really naive if you expect enough of Calgary and Edmonton to vote in favour of independence to yield a 50%+1 outcome. At best any current referendum will yield ~25-30%, and the fight will be over securing leadership which actually has a modicum of public relations skill necessary to grow the core support. There's too many grifters and midwit morons involved right now to drive up the numbers.
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The problem for the Canadian Right Wing is thinking it can muster enough voter energy to get some electoral wins - while not having the cohesive and coordinated base to enforce those wins by threatening to strike or gum up the works if there's no follow-through. And we don't have that cohesive base because we're a euro-mutt rabble that the government aggressively suppresses anytime it starts talking about ways to congeal.

Canada is a EuroMutt populace, and it needs a vision that speaks to a swathe of Europeans who have lived in a colonial setting for 100-400 years in order to get any serious traction. It's why stuff like 'let's join the EU' instantly gets attention from the normies - 'we're a resource colony founded by Europe... maybe we should rejoin Europe' makes sense subconsciously. Our solutions have to tap into that same vein without managerially perma-fucking the bulk of the populace or losing any of those sweet rights the Americans got that rubbed off on us.
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
That reminds me that despite claims of being better educated than their American counterparts, Canadians still woefully lack a foundational knowledge of philosophy and political theory. Where Americans rely on tribalism, Canadians rely on deference to authority and the caprices of a detached bureaucracy because they prioritize comfort and conformity over all else. America appears chaotic in comparison because they value rugged individualism and not deny their aggression nearly as much as Canadians, who will be polite and friendly to your face, but will stab a friend in the back over a minor slight. Compassion is merely the moral veil Canadians use to justify their inherent cruelty and viciousness.
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That is also why Albertans are incompatible with Canada.
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
Canada is a EuroMutt populace, and it needs a vision that speaks to a swathe of Europeans who have lived in a colonial setting for 100-400 years in order to get any serious traction. It's why stuff like 'let's join the EU' instantly gets attention from the normies - 'we're a resource colony founded by Europe... maybe we should rejoin Europe' makes sense subconsciously. Our solutions have to tap into that same vein without managerially perma-fucking the bulk of the populace or losing any of those sweet rights the Americans got that rubbed off on us.
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The Liberal party has spent the last 60-70 years aggressively opposing any formation of a real national identity. Prior to this the idea was United Empire Loyalists with a deep British character. Starting with Pearson and then the Trudeau years it became French Canada is real Canada, the rest are resource colonies. Canada is a state, not a nation.

Canada in the idea of a nation is just southern Ontario and southern Quebec. Which acts as a parasite on its hinterlands. America is a nation and an identity. Canada is only an identity when they need to dunk on Americans.

What this has caused is national identities to arise throughout the provinces. The maritimes are a distinct culture and national identity in Canada. So are Alberta and Saskatchewan. As Ottawa continually mismanages the country and oppresses regions that do not vote Liberal, this sentiment will grow. Trying to tamp it down with millions of jeets only makes the problem worse. Essentially importing a new nation with a new culture.

Democratic norms cannot exist in a multicultural society as each ethnic group just competes to see who can steal the most from the rest. See the relationship between Canada and Quebec as proof. It is the fate of Canada to break apart. To be forgotten by history as a rump state of the British Empire.
 
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Found this GEM on the Iran thread
 
Never interrupt the mentally handicapped when they dig themselves a hole. They might just learn that the only reason we sell to the US is that we never built our system to supply to any other foreign buyer - and that that the only reason the US can process our crude is because they built some spare refining capacity to handle Venezuelan oil sands.

Yes, we totally have all the leverage in this supply-demand relationship :story:
 
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