Canada is a failed state

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unholysedation777 said:
(sorry for doubleposting, however...)
I'm not Christian but my family has promoted Christian values our whole lives and taught that Christians are our friends, so imagine my shock when I start actually interacting with more young Christians to find that they're just as brainrotted as everyone else here. I still remember distinctly a conversation where I discussed religion with some Catholic guy. I asked him about gay people for fun because I wanted to see what his liberal ass would say, and surprisingly he did tell me that homosexuality is technically wrong because people shouldn't have sex at all if not conveying a child. But then as the conversation progresses he also goes on to explain to me the existence of the "gender spectrum" and ???
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At first I thought I knew where this post was going but now I'm fucking lost. How can one be pro existence of the gender spectrum yet hate gay people at the same time?
 
unholysedation777 said:
Canuck Law is some kind of obscure legal group, and the youtube channel and website has quite a lot of evidence that really does make Second Sons seem like just Heritage Front 2.0, along with bonus info about Heritage Front and the people involved. Really goes to show that the Canadian government has been full of manipulative slimy liars and scumbags for decades now. While I can't really say with confidence whether or not this group is trustworthy, some of the stuff they post is definitely eyebrow raising.
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Lmfao. This is just natural selection at this point.
 
unholysedation777 said:
(sorry for doubleposting, however...)
I'm not Christian but my family has promoted Christian values our whole lives and taught that Christians are our friends, so imagine my shock when I start actually interacting with more young Christians to find that they're just as brainrotted as everyone else here. I still remember distinctly a conversation where I discussed religion with some Catholic guy. I asked him about gay people for fun because I wanted to see what his liberal ass would say, and surprisingly he did tell me that homosexuality is technically wrong because people shouldn't have sex at all if not conveying a child. But then as the conversation progresses he also goes on to explain to me the existence of the "gender spectrum" and ???
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We generally don't know who we're talking to. We would want that all men come into Christ, and so we try to be amenable to all men in the state we find them so as to lead them back to God from wherever they are. The baseline assumption of any christian talking to a non-christian in this time period or rather in this culture you're in is that all non-christians people have as their work, and for you modern people in your culture: there is nothing but gay meaninglessness and the MAID murderer and the mechanical society that brings it all together. And then for us to meet you, we have to meet you in a place where that seems acceptable...so that we can slowly argue you down from that position. You're like a fucking a suicide on the brink about to jump that we have to slowly argue you back down by reason, and as christians, we're not allowed to lie.

We don't expect non-christians to hold traditional sexual values. Nor traditional values about life, or even values about good nor evil. You all are as useless in anything you know as pagans to us all. So when we meet you, we want to win. And so we try to meet the culture half-way, and from there, argue it back into sanity and goodness.
 
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Steven Guilbeault has resigned from Carney's cabinet

 
unholysedation777 said:
I'm not Christian but my family has promoted Christian values our whole lives and taught that Christians are our friends, so imagine my shock when I start actually interacting with more young Christians to find that they're just as brainrotted as everyone else here. I still remember distinctly a conversation where I discussed religion with some Catholic guy. I asked him about gay people for fun because I wanted to see what his liberal ass would say, and surprisingly he did tell me that homosexuality is technically wrong because people shouldn't have sex at all if not conveying a child. But then as the conversation progresses he also goes on to explain to me the existence of the "gender spectrum" and ???
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This is pretty much universal at this point. There are fairly few churches that aren't pozzed with modern brainrot. The Methodist church recently had a schism over it. Don't go into a church expecting to find a trad wife. Churchgoers are overwhelmingly similar to secular persons of a similar demographic now.
 
Brutality said:
he's got at least 10 more to get rid of
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Recent rumours has Joly in France, obviously thunder thighs in the uk, and others as discussed below in the Toronto sun.

If Joly does leave, and sources say it will happen within weeks and not months, she would join Chrystia Freeland, Bill Blair and Jonathan Wilkinson in departing. Blair is reportedly in line to become Canada’s High Commissioner in London; Wilkinson is looking for an ambassadorship to the European Union in Brussels, and Freeland has been named the next Warden of Rhodes House and CEO of the Rhodes Trust.
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5 out of 10 is a pretty good start 🤷
 
Écho Öwl said:
He’ll bounce to a six figure salary for some random ngo somewhere shortly.

Carney is clearly cleaning house.
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I think it's a fake-out to trick people into believing Carney would actually put a pipeline through. He's still an MP after all.
 
Hectic Heckler said:
If you want to join Jeremy's totes-not-honeypot group Second Sons, you have to go through a background check. https://www.secondsons.org/faq/
All background checks are handled by the moosefucker RCMP. The moment they background check you, even before accepting/rejecting you, you get put on a list, so yes.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the way the criminal record works is you simply go to a police station, ask for a criminal record check, give them your info. I've had a couple jobs before that require this. If you ever want to chaperone for your kids at a school field trip or dance you the schools generally require you to get them. I can't recall if the check is sent to your employer or they just give it to you direct, either way it doesn't automatically mean you're on a "list" anymore than if you request your high school transcripts.
unholysedation777 said:
Even ignoring all of the evidence, I refuse to believe that a public figure like Jeremy could last so long with some of the shit he's said and posted. Any country's feds would be honed in directly on someone like him, and the Canadian gov especially would have made a quick job of silencing him. If Jeremy really was as much of a threat to liberalism as he likes to pretend, he would have been locked up long ago. His whole aesthetic with the nazi-style uniforms to the runes in his livestreams always screamed blatant honeypot to me, that's the same type of shit I'd see on some stupid brainrot hyperborea tiktok edit. It feels so carefully structured to cater to a specific group of people, that being teenagers/young adults who are frustrated with the state of our country and fall to radicalism because it feels like an easy answer. Personally, the fact he's taking advantage of the anger and nihilism brought on to this generation by our leaders to weed out young men who actually want to do something makes my blood boil. I don't really trust anything or anyone anymore so I don't know, maybe I'm just spouting bullshit, but if you'll ask me, his whole image always felt fake and now I just have more reason to believe so.
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He's been charged multiple times and claims to have been almost murdered in prison because of it. All of the charges so far, to my knowledge, have been stayed. I know this is pointed to as evidence of them being federal agents, but like the criminal record checks it doesn't mean anything. What does the government have to gain by getting these guys to stand outside CBC headquarters with a "CBC hates white people" banner? The accusations coming out of Canadian Right Wing Inc. accounts come off to me as more of a media market turf war.

Now, all that said, as to your gut feeling about him being fake and whole Canuck Patriot Front endeavor wasting the young men associated with it you could still be right. I am skeptical of what they are doing can ever work, but at this point so far imo I think they are at least honest about what they are doing. The vetting can be explained by them attempting to avoid some disaster further down the line, also if were talking about a conspiracy where Jeremy is a federal operative wouldn't he simply just had the list of members over to his handlers? Does the government really lack the ability these days to track them all through their fucking smart phones?
 
paddy_wagon said:
What does the government have to gain by getting these guys to stand outside CBC headquarters with a "CBC hates white people" banner?
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A photo op, which can be used to divide & conquer:
  • further scare gullible people about evil bigoted racists
    • "ZOMG IT'S THE PROUD BOYS OR DIAGALON OR THE ALT-RIGHT—WE MUST PUNCH A NAZI"
  • inform suggestible & disillusioned men which group to join and/or support
    • "I saw the Second Sons on CBC.ca, and I'm mad at biased coverage—I stand with/want to join them!!!111!"

 
Koby_Fish said:
I think it's a fake-out to trick people into believing Carney would actually put a pipeline through. He's still an MP after all.
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News is saying he quit specifically because the Memorandum of Understanding signed with Alberta walks back a whole bunch of his environmental policies.

Quebec Liberal MP Steven Guilbeault resigned from cabinet on Thursday, after spending all six years he has been a member of Parliament around that table.

The final decision was made in the last few days but it was a choice that was months in the making.

The Canadian Press spoke to a source with knowledge of the week's events, who spoke on background about the days leading up to the decision.

Here's a timeline of how it unfolded.

Before Monday, Nov. 23:

Guilbeault came into politics after a decades-long career as an environmentalist and activist, including as the founder of Quebec's Equiterre organization. He left that organization in 2018, and a few months later won the nomination to run for the Liberals in a Montreal riding, under then-prime minister Justin Trudeau. He won the riding for the Liberals in September 2019.

Guilbeault was initially the heritage minister but was moved to the environment file after the 2021 election. Under his leadership there, the federal government moved on multiple regulations and climate policies. Those included legislation to enshrine Canada's emissions goals, and regulations including the oil and gas emissions cap, electric vehicle sales mandates, methane reductions from oil production and clean electricity regulations to get Canada's grid to net-zero, initially by 2035, a date that was later pushed to 2050.

Guilbeault endorsed Carney for the Liberal leadership on Jan. 21, saying Carney had led through economic crises in Canada and the U.K.

"I know he's the right person to help bring us into the next phase of our work to support Canadians, to build a strong economy and to fight climate change," he said at the time.

About a month later, that commitment was tested, as Carney said he would eliminate consumer carbon pricing, a policy Guilbeault had taken political heat to defend over previous years. Despite that, Guilbeault's endorsement remained intact.

When Carney became prime minister, he kept Guilbeault in cabinet, even as he moved aside several other more left-leaning MPs who had been in Trudeau's cabinet. However, he did move Guilbeault out of the environment portfolio and returned him to heritage, under the new name minister of Canadian culture and identity. He left Guilbeault with the responsibility for Parks Canada, and also made him his Quebec lieutenant.

Serious reservations about Carney's climate commitment began to bubble this fall, as his government refused to talk about emissions targets, and talk of backing a new oil pipeline as a major project began to go public.

Discussion of a new pipeline became more pronounced as Carney began referring projects to the Major Projects Office this fall, and negotiations with Alberta on a new climate and energy pact proceeded.

Guilbeault had made Carney and his staff aware as early as the spring that federal backing for a pipeline would make it very hard for Guilbeault to remain in cabinet. But he, like many other Liberals, was watching to see what would happen.

Guilbeault, no longer in the environment seat at the cabinet table, was not part of those negotiations.

Monday, Nov. 23

CBC broke news of the details of a new memorandum of understanding Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith were set to sign on Nov. 27.

It was the first time Guilbeault and other Liberals got to see what was really on the table, and the scale of the pullback from environmental policies, including the clean electricity regulations — without an equivalent and substantial increase in industrial pricing — and opening the door to exempting a new pipeline from the oil tanker ban of B.C.'s coast.

Tuesday, Nov. 25:

Guilbeault sought a briefing from Carney's office on the measures in the MOU and received one. Among those at the briefing were Marc-André Blanchard and Christiane Fox, the deputy clerk and associate secretary to cabinet.

The briefing took place prior to the cabinet meeting, which was scheduled to begin at 3:30 p.m., much later than the cabinet meeting's normal start time of 10 a.m. Reporters began to hear rumblings of Guilbeault's concerns about the MOU. He arrived for the cabinet meeting stone-faced, and brushed past reporters without a word.

A few minutes later he walked out, again saying nothing, and met briefly with Housing Minister Gregor Robertson in an office down the hall. Eventually Guilbeault returned to the cabinet meeting.

Following its conclusion, reporters saw him in the hallway behind the cabinet area doors, appearing unhappy.

Guilbeault met with Carney for an hour following that meeting. He did not resign but expressed his concerns with the MOU.

Wednesday, Nov. 26:

Guilbeault received a written copy of the MOU. It included not only the pulling back of multiple regulations to cut emissions, but it also included language extending eligibility for federal investment tax credits to enhanced oil recovery projects.

Originally the federal tax credits excluded enhanced oil recovery, a carbon-storage technology that captures carbon dioxide from industrial emitters, and injects it back underground at oilfields. That increases pressure and pushes more oil out of the rock. That carbon dioxide is trapped underground, but it allows for increased production from oilfields.

Adding enhanced oil recovery to tax credits is considered by environmental leaders, including Guilbeault, to be a direct subsidy for oil production, and it was purposely excluded from the original tax credits for that reason.

Guilbeault and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May had both heard rumours before the federal budget was tabled that it was going to amend the tax credits to include enhanced oil recovery.

It was one of the things keeping May from supporting the budget.

Guilbeault got some assurances that would not be in the budget, or added to it after, and was dispatched by the PMO to convince May to vote with the Liberals. She voted with the government on the budget on Nov. 17, the only non-Liberal MP to do so.

Guilbeault wrote to Carney on Wednesday night, informing him that with the MOU as it stood, he could not stay in cabinet.

Thursday, Nov. 27:

Guilbeault spoke to both Carney and Blanchard in Calgary. He formally resigned his cabinet seat.

"Despite this difficult economic context, I remain one of those for whom environmental issues must remain front and centre," he said in a post outlining why he resigned.

"That is why I strongly oppose the memorandum of understanding between the federal government and government of Alberta."
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Alberta has been pretty angry with the Federal government, so I think this is throwing a bone to them so they temper the thought of separation. BC certainly isn't happy that their tanker ban is under threat and another pipeline project is on the menu, but west is the easier direction to go as it's much less opposition.
 
I don't blame the exec's at Stellantis.

This "hearing" was nothing more then a empty PR chance for the Liberal politicians involved. They would ask gotcha questions, fish for one liners and sound bites for the CBC.

Stellantis is leaving because owning a business in Canada is not profitable anymore. Between the anti-competition laws favouring the local mafia, the huge layers of red tape and the onerous levels of environmental obligations why would anyone open a company in Canada?

This is the whole point, keep the country firmly in the grasp of the 9 big Laurentine families. They don't care if the rest of Canada plunges into 3rd world status. They have enough wealth to last for hundreds of years and complete control of the federal government, if their bank accounts start getting a little thin all it takes is a few subsidies from the Fed and they're back in the black.

Canada tax payers? Ha! They should have been born into the right bloodlines. Enjoy serfdom untouchables.
 
Goofy Logic said:
BC certainly isn't happy that their tanker ban is under threat and another pipeline project is on the menu, but west is the easier direction to go as it's much less opposition.
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David Eby and the chugs that live along the coast are in the minority opinion, to the point where the BC conservatives are daring him to go to an election over the issue
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Goofy Logic said:
Alberta has been pretty angry with the Federal government, so I think this is throwing a bone to them so they temper the thought of separation. BC certainly isn't happy that their tanker ban is under threat and another pipeline project is on the menu, but west is the easier direction to go as it's much less opposition.
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Pretty much nailed it. Smith and Carney both know there will likely never be a pipeline, but this MOU provides convenient cover to kick the can down the road and give them both a political win. It also offloads the political grenade and all the fallout into Eby's lap. Either Eby grandstands and refuses to budge in which case Smith can use him as a punching bag come next election (Nenshi is screwed on the issue), or he caves and with it has the prog knives out for him. Carney too likes it because it causes further NDP infighting, potentially restricts any rebound of the federal NDP, and cuts the legs out from another issue Poilievre can campaign on.

No matter how much I detest Carney, it's a very shrewd move on the part of him and Smith.
 
Regarding the pipeline pushback. I don't think that most of the criticism towards carney from Canadians are really because "Canadians are waking up" but more so the average Canadian is so left-wing that a literal globalist WEF climate zealot is too "far-right" for them.
 
I am surprised Carney caved in, even if it was just for one thing as it's a sign of weakness to his fellow progressives.

BC Premier Elby is already openly saying the pipeline deal is a joke as it will be "dead in the water the second it reaches BC". Elby has also stated that he "will not allow any changes to the tanker ban".

Several Liberal cabinet members are already threatening to resign over the deal,which by the way was the smaller, most minor thing Smith asked for. Carney is still waffling on the rest of the demands. No one on Team Red wants Alberta to get a single damn thing and to them Carney has broken the faith.

I said this set of demands would fuck over Carney; either he gives into Alberta's demands and gets fucked over by the Red Progressives for daring to break the faith or he say's no and Smith gets the mandate she needs to call a referendum.
 
Scale Smerch said:
Pretty much nailed it. Smith and Carney both know there will likely never be a pipeline, but this MOU provides convenient cover to kick the can down the road and give them both a political win.
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I kind of feel the same way. Smith knows she isn't getting a pipeline. Carney knows he isn't getting a pipeline. As long as Eby keeps digging his heels in. Carney can throw his hands up and say 'well I tried.' Smith can say the same thing. Carney gets to keep pushing out Trudeau loyalists and keeps distancing himself from the previous PM. Which stymies the Cons from making any gains.

The only thing that would ruin this, is the Eby government collapsing and getting replaced by Cons. That would throw a huge wrench in the plans to look like you're doing something, but really doing nothing that Carney has going on.
 
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