Canada is a failed state

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Totallyunknown said:
Again, same rhetoric of how it was super peaceful. The natives didn't bring 250+ 35,000 pound eighteen wheelers, some of which had empty box containers you would have no idea what was inside, with several hundred reports of local residents being harassed while trying to walk home or having property vandalized with an entire major city block shut down. If the natives bring 35,000 pounds of steel and metal to their next protest, I hope the government stomps them down too as I do not need a rogue native with an empty container they filled with homemade pipe bombs to drive into the middle of their ultra peaceful super cool protest and blow everyone up. But the convoy folk would never ever do that because they are so peaceful sleepy kittens bestest guys around and they just wanted to be heard!!!!!! One guy drove a van downtown Nashville and shut the place down. But you want 250 unchecked 35k lb vehicles right beside parliament in the middle of the capital city and you want them to not see that as an active threat? Sorry, no. If you roll up to my place with 5 18 wheelers and park them outside my house, scream about how you hate me and lay on the horn for multiple hours overnight? You're a threat and in America, you'd be shot down if you didn't bulldoze them first.
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Which one are you.

Jeet or sandnigger.

Also, $100 mil is a rounding error for starlink at this point lmao

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Totallyunknown said:
If they actually cared about this country
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Jokes on you, I don’t.

I’m only here because my family homesteaded this little piece of earth before Alberta became a province, and people I take care of are here and can’t leave. “Canada” is hardly an immortal, immutable concept, especially when it’s degenerated this much.

Canada right now is China’s proxy/condom as they try to fuck the USA right on its border. In case you are wondering why these compromised Canadian politicians are acting like lunatics. This is actually a fight between two big dogs, we are the chew toy that set them off.

No idea how it’s going to go, but I’m pretty sure it’s not back to 1990s HNIC.
 
Annexation talk is dumb. Not because it's not happening, but that troll talking about how we'll be second class citizens is off the mark.

It'll probably be an EU like situation with Canada and Greenland joining. That, I'm probably down for tbh
 
Totallyunknown said:
A convoy supporter will die a convoy supporter though because there is so much emotionally invested. You asked me to present without emotional attachment but you are already biased based on how you feel about the convoy and are unlikely to consider any other view points because your political identity is based around this event.
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Totallyunknown said:
I personally think the convoy was wrong and have argued that in this very thread but I know the supporters are so die hard that it is incredibly easy to turn them MAGA because their doctrine is to already be disconnected from the country based on their beliefs through the convoy.
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For the record, Jeremy MacKenzie and the Diagolon boys, who I would argue are the keepers of the sacred fire of the Trucker convoy spirit, are both anti-annexation and anti-countertariff retaliation. And they are about as blackpilled about Canadian nationalism and the outlook for the country's future as they come.

The convoy remnants have really split into 3 factions:

1) More normie types that were COVID skeptical and maybe a little tired infinity Indians, but mostly just hate Trudeau and think voting in Pierre Poilievre and the Conservatives will fix everything and their job is done. These are roughly equivalent to RINOs. These are the types baying for countertariffs.

2) Max Bernier PPC supporters who lean more libertarian. They are more like Ron Paul supporters. They are still afraid of being labeled racist. They are a lot more blackpilled than the CPC crowd, but have no real exit plan beyond pitching policies that will never get close to power. Their leader is an uncharismatic Frenchman who doesn't speak English well and hasn't done anything to expand his libertarian, anti-immigration party for 7 years despite drawing a paycheck. These are the types that will be more amenable to capitulation to annexation because they long for tasty-yet-unobtainable 1A & 2A rights in the Constitution just over that imaginary line.

3) The Diagolon, open White nationalist, terminally blackpilled, "there is no political solution" types. A lot of ex-military, a lot of gym bros. No real violent elements other than tough guy narratives online. Claim to be done with all politics, but have little to offer beyond turtling, training, making babies, networking, homesteading, etc.
These types also tend to view Trump suspiciously as too ZOG-controlled. So far, these types seem to be realistic that starting a knife fight with the US is suicidal and are urging temperance in an astroturfed situation that can't be won. But also are opposed to either retaliation or annexation.
 
DiscoRodeo said:
Annexation talk is dumb. Not because it's not happening, but that troll talking about how we'll be second class citizens is off the mark.

It'll probably be an EU like situation with Canada and Greenland joining. That, I'm probably down for tbh
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I don't think it's a good idea because it's not a good deal for America. It would immediately create a bunch of seats in congress and the senate that would all go to hyper progressive politicians. We would have to cut new sovereignty deals with the native tribes, especially the ones that live in resource rich areas (fish, minerals, oil). It would also mean giving citizenship to all the immigrants Trudeau let in. Dealing with Quebec would be a nightmare just due to the French speakers. If we had to partially adopt a 2nd language, it would be Spanish and not French.

You wouldn't be treated as 2nd class citizens, but you would get treated like Americans, and that would make a shitload of Canadians feel like 2nd class citizens. Especially the ones with a hard on for socialized healthcare.
 
Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:
open White nationalist, terminally blackpilled, "there is no political solution" types. A lot of ex-military, a lot of gym bros. No real violent elements other than tough guy narratives online. Claim to be done with all politics, but have little to offer beyond turtling, training, making babies, networking, homesteading, etc.
These types also tend to view Trump suspiciously as too ZOG-controlled. So far, these types seem to be realistic that starting a knife fight with the US is suicidal and are urging temperance in an astroturfed situation that can't be won. But also are opposed to either retaliation or annexation.
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I feel seen.

For the record, here's Mad Max' response (archive):
It’s important to understand that the 25% tariffs announced by President Trump today are NOT imposed on Canada — they will be paid by American consumers and businesses who buy goods imported from Canada. Tariffs are a tax, and Americans who will have to pay more or go without our products will be the first to suffer.

Of course, Canadian exporters of these goods will as a consequence lose clients, contracts and sales, and will be forced to cut down on production and lay off workers. Or they will lower their prices to keep market shares and will see their profits diminish.

Because 75% of our exports go south of the border, our economy will for sure be very negatively impacted by this.

The stupidest thing our government can do however to deal with this crisis is to impose the same kind of tariffs “dollar for dollar” against US imports.

The US economy is ten times bigger than ours, much less reliant on trade than ours, and much less dependent on our market than we are on theirs.

Not only would retaliatory tariffs have much less impact on American exporters, they would immediately impoverish Canadian consumers forced to pay more for imported goods, as well as destabilize Canadian businesses that need inputs from the US in their production processes. It would more than double the harm of the US tariffs to our economy.

Trade wars are bad for everyone, but they are much worse for a small country with fewer options. We simply cannot win a trade war with the US. It’s very unlikely that Trump will back down. All we will do is provoke a massive economic crisis in Canada, until we are forced to capitulate.

Another self-destructive thing to do would be to set up giant “pandemic-level” bailout plans to support everyone affected by this trade war. This will simply bankrupt our governments even more than they already are and make us even weaker.

So what should we do?

1. Double down on efforts to control our border, crack down on fentanyl dealers, deport all illegals, and impose a complete moratorium on immigration, to answer Trump’s immediate concerns about Canada.

2. Tell the US administration that we are ready to renegotiate North American free trade and put dairy supply management and other contentious issues on the table.

3. Wait and see to what extent Trump is willing to keep tariffs in place despite the harm it does to the US economy. Despite his pretenses that Americans don’t need our stuff, the reality is that on the contrary they have few other options for crucial resources like oil, lumber, uranium and other minerals, etc. He will stop acting like a bully when he sees that he can get more results by sitting down and negotiating.

3. To reduce our dependence on the US market, immediately implement an ambitious plan to tear down interprovincial trade barriers and help our impacted exporting industries find alternative markets in other countries.

4. Immediately implement a series of bold reforms to make our economy more productive, including: reduce corporate and personal taxes, abolish the capital gains tax, abolish all corporate subsidies, get rid of excessive regulation, remove impediments to the exploitation and export of natural resources, drastically cut government spending, mandate the Bank of Canada to stop printing money and start accumulating a gold reserve to prepare for the global monetary reset (which is likely part of Trump’s plan).

In short, instead of adopting a suicidal strategy to confront Trump, we must do what we should have done a long time ago to strengthen our economy and our bargaining position. The transition will be rough, but not as much as complete bankruptcy and disintegration.
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MS-09 DOM said:
On a side note, has anyone in Canada been hit with Bill C-16 or whatever Jordan Peterson was going on about?
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Yes. There's been numerous compelled speech prosecutions in the human rights commission. Including Peterson's own (Edit: that was actually his professional body, I think its called CPA). The most recent one I recall is the case of a mayor who refused to fly a tranny flag. Especially absurd because the 1200 person community does not have a flag pole. The mayor was fined, and the bank allowed the tranny NGO to immediately seize it from his bank account.
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The real blackpill is that nothing will get annexed and nothing will collapse. Canadians will just become significantly poorer and MAYBE the liberal party will get voted out for some years.
 
jje100010001 said:
mind you that Canada has more Punjabi elected officials in Parliament than India (15 vs 11).
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Jesus Christ that's fucking bad. It's actually over with them worming their ways that hard.
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
I feel bad for Canada, but you guys basically are an extension of the worst ideas the English had with governance and unironically should have cut Quebec off years ago and let them suffer until they come crawling back like a mouthy French whore in need of rent money.

The US has it’s problems, but you guys effectively let them fester because you could count on the US really not paying attention to Canada.

I do broadly hate Canadian citizens. I had a Canadian-American mayor when I was a kid. They have an unearned ego whenever they talk about Americans.
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Quebec's terms of separation were retarded. They still wanted the Canadian govt to give them Albertan money after they 'separated'.
 
Totallyunknown said:
Again, same rhetoric of how it was super peaceful. The natives didn't bring 250+ 35,000 pound eighteen wheelers, some of which had empty box containers you would have no idea what was inside, with several hundred reports of local residents being harassed while trying to walk home or having property vandalized with an entire major city block shut down. If the natives bring 35,000 pounds of steel and metal to their next protest, I hope the government stomps them down too as I do not need a rogue native with an empty container they filled with homemade pipe bombs to drive into the middle of their ultra peaceful super cool protest and blow everyone up. But the convoy folk would never ever do that because they are so peaceful sleepy kittens bestest guys around and they just wanted to be heard!!!!!! One guy drove a van downtown Nashville and shut the place down. But you want 250 unchecked 35k lb vehicles right beside parliament in the middle of the capital city and you want them to not see that as an active threat? Sorry, no. If you roll up to my place with 5 18 wheelers and park them outside my house, scream about how you hate me and lay on the horn for multiple hours overnight? You're a threat and in America, you'd be shot down if you didn't bulldoze them first.
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I'm confused as to why truckers fighting for their livelyhood are going to blow up their means of livelyhood and fellow trucker friends in order to hurt Justin Trudeau who immediately ran away and went into hiding outside the city.

Are you ok or just totally buckbroken by profoundly Canadian dudes chilling? Are you still mad they upset the bug people in their bughive located in the very place where they spend all day planning out a life of destituion for you and everyone else in Canada?
 
ForTheHoard said:
I don't think it's a good idea because it's not a good deal for America. It would immediately create a bunch of seats in congress and the senate that would all go to hyper progressive politicians. We would have to cut new sovereignty deals with the native tribes, especially the ones that live in resource rich areas (fish, minerals, oil). It would also mean giving citizenship to all the immigrants Trudeau let in. Dealing with Quebec would be a nightmare just due to the French speakers. If we had to partially adopt a 2nd language, it would be Spanish and not French.

You wouldn't be treated as 2nd class citizens, but you would get treated like Americans, and that would make a shitload of Canadians feel like 2nd class citizens. Especially the ones with a hard on for socialized healthcare.
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Annexation is both bad for Americans and Canadians tbh- thats the key thing here.

The US also doesnt want Quebecois, 100%.

Im more down for, keep the countries separate, have an EU like situation with actual free trade, end "Canadian" monopolies and favoritism towards China in Canada.

Maybe make immigration open in a Schengen like zone between Canada and the US, but require citizenship- and Im happy.

I want Canada and the US working closer with each other, but still separate countries. I also want an end to monopolies within Canada, and for us to not sell our nation out to China, or for cheap labour from India. On the last part, thats where I think we need more of a push from the US. They seem to care more about the Canadians left behind, the 'deplorables', more than the Laurentian elite do.
 
ForTheHoard said:
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Good call.
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Yeah well, we'll see if Trudeau actually holds up his end of that deal. Somehow I have a feeling we're going to get a retread of this exact same thing in 30 days when Donnie realizes that the plan is likely to string him along until he stop giving a fuck. Actually doing anything to improve the nation would be way too much work for our political class.

Still, maybe I have 30 days to get my money out of CAD before it totally craters now. Always an upside.
 
Cheetahman said:
It's so deeply suspicious that a major liberal talking point is that "Canadian identity doesn't exist", only for allegedly non-leftys to parrot the same talking point as proof that they should lie down and spread ass for American interests because... Canadian identity no longer exists. America is jeeted, jewed, nigged, and trooned. Completely absurd to believe that this would somehow benefit the average Canadian, completely ridiculous that any retard in this situation expects to become a full-fledged American citizen. Almost exactly like college commies who think they will get to join the Inner Party after the great uprising.

Every defeatist says they don't want to fight for a Canada that hates them, when there isn't even a fucking armed conflict.
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You don't get to toggle patriotism and national pride when it's personally convenient. The Canadians in the government have spent 40 years dismantling any semblance of a Canadian cultural identity and selling the pieces off to foreigners, tut tutting anyone who objected as 'racist'. Now there's nothing left to defend. Do you personally want to starve for the right for Rajesh to bring over his twelve cousins to work low in-come jobs? Because that's modern day Canada.

Ask any of these born-again patriots what they're defending and you know what you'll hear? Fucking nothing. Because there is nothing left. All they can do is appeal to bullshit like "tolerance" and "diversity". And you know why this sucks so much?

Because Canada used to be fucking cool. We were rugged french, anglo and scottish europeans who came to this cold ass place and carved a country out of it. We had a history of being self sufficient. Of being strong and enduring. And of being terrifying when someone tried fucking with us. But all that was born of the culture those settlers made, a culture which has been torn asunder since the mid 20th century.

I would have defended that Canada. I won't defend this one.
 
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