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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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The number of appeals will actually also decrease as the automatic right to appeal will also be abolished. From The Times' write-up;

It is anticipated that the government will also remove the automatic right to appeal against convictions.
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I can't believe it. How could the tories do this?
I mean, they totally would. Just three years later.
I bet they're fucking furious that labour is taking all the heat from them.
 
Smyrna said:
Trial by jury is to be abolished for all charges except murder, rape and manslaughter, assuming that the retarded nigger responsible can pilot the required legislation through Parliament.
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I laugh not because this is funny but because we've finally fallen off the cliff and there's nothing left to do.
 
Duane Dibbley said:
They're serious? The government who jail people for hurty words on the internet are abolishing jury trials?

Wow.
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Ironically, the ECHR will not allow that as it breaches their rules.

Starmer and Farage both against the ECHR... who would ever have thunked it?


Some news bits from all over:


Jacqui Oatley releases emotional statement as ITV lays off much-loved sports presenters




Liverpool parade crash driver Paul Doyle in tears as he pleads not guilty




Starmer says sorry for leading pupils in 6-7 dance




Boy, 15, arrested after teenager shot in street in Sheffield




Elderly man 'broken' after losing £35k in online scams




Edit: Ending Trial by Jury has not yet been made concrete and I doubt that any final ruling will be made until next year, if they don't 'kick the can' with it.

Making a Juror a paid profession could help, and always having a bank of people from the general public who are willing to attend Court to give their say could work.

Otherwise it'll be 'straight to appeal' and another Judge could easily rule the original sentence unfair.

However, that will do nothing to a) stop crime in the first place and b) house and rehabilitate offenders. I also believe that the Justice peeps are hoping Lammy gets removed from his current position and that this whole stupid idea is soon forgotten.
 
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Adrenochrome Dreams said:
Imagine how much money we could save if we didn’t accept “small boat” men, and weren’t sending endless gibs to Ukraine.
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Honestly the amount of money spent on that is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the insane amounts that the Government spends annually.

To date, the UK has pledged £21.8 billion in support to Ukraine since February 2022, though it's worth bearing in mind that this amount has not been fully handed over. Assuming that the full sum will be finished being given by 2026, that comes to 5.45 billion P/A roughly or less than 1/2 than what the UK spends on "Recreation, Culture, & Religion" annually.

The UK spent £2.8 billion, or 20% of its aid budget, supporting refugees in the UK in 2024.

Both added together comes to a rough sum total of: 8.25 billion.

OR

In comparison to the £1,286,400,000,000 spent in the last years budget: 0.641% of P/A spending.

OR

The cost of running the health sector for roughly 13 days.

Frankly, £0 should have been spent on the boat people, but they're hardly the cause of the shit show that is the government's spending.

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Arrest made in connection with the river of shit that was dumped in Oxfordshire. No name is given but a plea is made for us to "not speculate" about his "identity". Draw from that whatever conclusion you will.

It seems very unlikely to me that any assumptions people may have formed regarding the culprit/s will be proven wrong.
 
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Some GB News bits as well:

* Comparing Reform to the Nazis sets a dangerous precedent that degrades politicians everywhere - Gary Mond

* I've made £200m as an entrepreneur. There is only one tax that can save Britain in the Budget - Simon Dolan

* Furious parents sue US school after girl, just 11, 'forced to share bed with trans classmate on field trip'

* How one 17-year-old Briton took his severe eczema struggles into his own hands - and became an entrepreneurial success by age 22

* Over £1m of taxpayer money spent on woke theatre shows including 'A Northern Tranny Hootenanny' and '2 Muslim 2 Furious'

* Major incident declared as huge blaze engulfs London warehouse filled with fireworks and forces urgent evacuation

* Rachel Reeves effigy appears outside Parliament just hours before Chancellor's Budget tax raid (the Green Party hate Labour as much as Reform UK do!)

* Migrants trying to learn English at primary school face 'protect our kids' protest

* Police officer left 'unable to shower' after being 'hit with sledgehammer' by Palestine Action activist

* Goldsmith's University student on trial for murder was 'attacked by germaphobic woman who became stressed that she caught STD'

* 'Islamist terrorist' seeking asylum in UK despite being questioned over bombing attack

* Jamie and Rebekah Vardy’s Italian villa 'raided by robbery gang as thieves steal £80k worth'

* Premier League icon 'left with £600' after purchasing over 30 buses and legal battles (yes, he's Black)

* Football world pays tribute to George Best 20 years after his death.
 
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's just take a second here to discuss something serious.

Are the UK government proposing that an officer of the law can arrest me for public order offences or hate speech laws, send me court and have me jailed for up to 5 years, with no evidence or appeal?
Without exaggeration, is that the proposal?

How is that different from Stalinist purges using the court system to send people to Gulags? Again, without hyperbole, drama or exaggeration. Someone talk sense to me here.
 
Made In Wales said:
Making a Juror a paid profession could help, and always having a bank of people from the general public who are willing to attend Court to give their say could work.

Otherwise it'll be 'straight to appeal' and another Judge could easily rule the original sentence unfair.
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No. This gives too much power to too few people. Especially unelected people. You're actually saying you in effect want a QAUNGO to become the jury service ? Not very democratic. I want jurors to be compensated for their time, not paid professionals.

Oh yeah, because judges have a well established history of going against the rulings and precedents that other judges have set. It's a fruity little club and they all stick together. Why do you think they are all Left leaning, anti British, rich and completely detatched from the real world ? Because they all live in the same bubble.

Sorry to disagree with you twice in two days Wales....may your sheep be extra fluffy and attractive for the rest of the week.

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Arrest made in connection with the river of shit that was fly-tipped in Oxfordshire. No name is mentioned, so draw your conclusion from that.
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Phil Davies, head of the Joint Unit for Waste Crime, said: "We would ask that the public and media do not speculate about the identity of any other individuals who may be connected with the offending at this location, or interfere with the waste on site as we continue to treat it as an active crime scene.
 
Duane Dibbley said:
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's just take a second here to discuss something serious.

Are the UK government proposing that an officer of the law can arrest me for public order offences or hate speech laws, send me court and have me jailed for up to 5 years, with no evidence or appeal?
Without exaggeration, is that the proposal?

How is that different from Stalinist purges using the court system to send people to Gulags? Again, without hyperbole, drama or exaggeration. Someone talk sense to me here.
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It may be what they want, but there is no chance that it will happen.

Much as I think the ECHR is a pile of crap with the Umbongos, they want their laws and procedures to be upheld and adhered to.

If Labour are just going to go 'fuck you', they aren't going to take it. They wouldn't take it from Nigel and they certainly won't take it from what should be the UK's Socialist Party.

@EddyRooney No worries, always happy to (mass) debate.

It's a suggestion which has been kicked around for a good while - a compromise between not letting Lammy's plans go ahead whilst also ensuring that there's always 12 people available for trials.

Whilst I would not want a QUANGO to be anywhere near Court, perhaps paying people to be Jurors would help where a) people don't really want to be a Juror, b) it's inconvenient for them to be one especially if they are a one man/woman operation work-wise and c) if somebody is unemployed and of good standing, it's a good way of getting money if that person doesn't mind attending Court and has a strong mindset and moral code - able to sit through harrowing and upsetting cases but yet still able to draw a conclusion.
 
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We would ask that the public and media do not speculate about the identity of any other individuals who may be connected with the offending at this location
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By "don't speculate", they mean "don't assume the culprit was brown".

If it were a native man, they would have said so (thus removing any reason for people to assume the culprit was brown).

Ergo, asking the public to 'not speculate' is the same as them just directly saying "yup, it's exactly what you think".
 
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Duane Dibbley said:
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's just take a second here to discuss something serious.

Are the UK government proposing that an officer of the law can arrest me for public order offences or hate speech laws, send me court and have me jailed for up to 5 years, with no evidence or appeal?
Without exaggeration, is that the proposal?

How is that different from Stalinist purges using the court system to send people to Gulags? Again, without hyperbole, drama or exaggeration. Someone talk sense to me here.
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Ooga booga, enjoy prison.
 
Inquisitor_BadAss said:
Less than 24 hours until the chancellor cries on camera again. What are your predictions for tomorrow?
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Since this hasn't been mentioned they'll scrap or expand the two child benefit cap, give a date for it to be done, "fumble" the date and accidentally have it all going through just before the next election where they will run on, "the other people want to end benefits for children."
 
Made In Wales said:
Migrants trying to learn English at primary school face 'protect our kids' protest
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I know a guy who was doing joinery work at his kids school but couldn’t see his kid during school hours as he wasn’t Disclosure checked.

At the same time we are packing schools with boat monkeys who no one has any idea who they are or what they’ve done.
 
Duane Dibbley said:
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's just take a second here to discuss something serious.

Are the UK government proposing that an officer of the law can arrest me for public order offences or hate speech laws, send me court and have me jailed for up to 5 years, with no evidence or appeal?

Someone talk sense to me here.
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What the government is basically proposing is to extend the sentencing powers of Magistrates (basically volunteers from the community that give their time to form a sort of judicial jury comprised of three magistrates or lay justices, where they hear arguments from both sides, decide on guilt, and then decide on sentence) from 1 year — which used to be 6 months about a year and half ago — to two years, so that more crimes that are triable either way (crimes that can be tried in either the Magistrates or Crown Court) can be handled fully in the Magistrates Court.

As well as this, they propose the creation of a new court called the Crown Court Bench Division (CCBD), which would hear cases that are likely to result in a sentence of 5 years or less, and would sit between the Magistrates and Crown Court. This court would not have a jury, meaning the vast majority of crimes would be under its remit, and cases would be heard by a Trial Judge (an actual legal professional & full judge) and two Magistrates (literally anyone from the community, mostly old people, that volunteer their time).

As well as this, there's some whispers about not being able to appeal their sentence. This means that they aren't allowed to appeal the length of time of their custodial sentence / fine / suspended sentence, as in the extent of their punishment. This does not mean that you are not allowed to appeal the trial process or the conviction itself. As such, as long as the courts did their due diligence (acted reasonably), didn't fuck up too badly (by making a procedural error, or mistake of fact or law), and you could be reasonably seen to have committed the crime accused, you're shit out of luck for appealing.

So this isn't quite a Soviet style kangaroo court system, but honestly it's not far off, as judges are a lot more pliable than members of the public. You're already much more likely to be found guilty in the Magistrates Court (which handle the vast majority of cases), than by a jury of your peers, so this would only end up making that problem, much, and I can't emphasise this enough, MUCH worse.

If the government were serious about fixing the issue of the backlog they have many other avenues, that wouldn't fundamentally breach human rights, to start from.

  1. They can increase sitting times, currently the CC only hears cases mon-fri 10:00-16:30.
  2. They can start paying Criminal Barristers and Solicitors more than a pittance in comparison to other areas of law.
  3. Set-up temporary courtrooms.
  4. Increase the number of sitting judges.
  5. Increase the number of barristers that are given pupillage each year (the number is artificially capped by a ridiculously antiquated system).
  6. Increase the number of solicitors that are qualified each year (the number is artificially capped by a ridiculously antiquated system).
  7. Increase the reduction in sentence for a guilty plea to incentivise pleading at the earliest opportunity.
  8. Increase funding for the judiciary.
  9. Create a system of e-trials, allowing low level offences to be tried and argued on zoom or other software.
 
Made In Wales said:
If Labour are just going to go 'fuck you', they aren't going to take it. They wouldn't take it from Nigel and they certainly won't take it from what should be the UK's Socialist Party.
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Starmer wouldn't want it either. He is an authoritarian technocrat anchored in law. Look at the ICJ and Chagos, ECHR.....he respects and looks to uphold the verdicts of all these foreign courts' rulings, regardless of whether they are in the interest of Britain or not. He sees himself as upholding the law. I perceive him as a traitor that should be treated as such.
If you're saying they won't take it from Nigel ( playing devil's advocate ) then what is the point of voting for him ? He's not going to stop the boats if he doesn't stand up to them and either make them take it, ignore them, or remove us from their jurisdiction.
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Whilst I would not want a QUANGO to be anywhere near Court, perhaps paying people to be Jurors would help where a) people don't really want to be a Juror, b) it's inconvenient for them to be one especially if they are a one man/woman operation work-wise and c) if somebody is unemployed and of good standing, it's a good way of getting money if that person doesn't mind attending Court and has a strong mindset and moral code - able to sit through harrowing and upsetting cases but yet still able to draw a conclusion.
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a) It is a civic responsibility. If you are part of society then by extension you have a duty to uphold the law, it is a duty to be fulfilled and an obligation regardless of inconvenience.
b) Compensation and expenses. The cost of living in a society with a rule of law.
c) Oxymoron. "Unemployed and of good standing". Name someone who has been unemployed for any considerable time and I'll tell you they are not of good standing. If you have been unemployed for a length of time out of choice I would argue that it is proof of a lack of moral code.
 
Literally every problem we have is because there's too many people who shouldn't be here, in the country.

Pressure on the NHS, schools, housing stock, the benefits service, cost of translators, violence and crime. All of it comes back to the absolute vermin and detritus we've allowed in.

They take up entry level jobs and have of idea of rights so employers get addicted to cheap, easily manipulated labour. They are happy being 15 to a room so landlords pile them high and rake it in.

They come here and feed the ponzi scheme that is the university sector and take up places at universities and then lie to claim asylum (and then once their ILTR is approved pop back and forth to the San country they said was unsafe).

Every problem we have is caused by the mass importation of absolute dreck and could be solved if we booted them all out. Yes, crime would still exist but the courts wouldn't be tied up with dealing with illegals so things would happen quicker. How much better would the NHS be if it wasn't flooded with tongue clickers either using services or "working".

Every problem we have could be solved if we threw all migrants out.
 
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