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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Neo-feudalism looks different than I would have guessed. Imaging being born 55 years ago and seeing all this transpire from your front porch. They've crossed every line that people said would be last line throughout the years. The Camp of Saints but everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket that can communicate with anyone in the world at anytime for close to free.
 
Time for some news.

NHS buffoon allowed to resign when she should be fired and her pension stripped from her.
The chief executive of NHS Fife has announced plans to retire early.

Carol Potter made the announcement weeks before a ruling on the Sandie Peggie tribunal is expected.

Ms Potter led the health board through the Covid pandemic and the high-profile employment tribunal launched by Ms Peggie, a nurse who was suspended after complaining about having to share a changing room with a transgender doctor.

Ms Potter said she is leaving NHS Fife knowing it has "dedicated leaders, a clear direction, and a culture of continuous learning".
She has worked in the NHS for over 30 years and was appointed interim chief executive of the health board in January 2020 before being confirmed in the role that September.

In a statement, she said: "It has been a privilege to serve as chief executive of NHS Fife and to work alongside such talented and dedicated colleagues across health and social care.

"I am immensely proud of what we have achieved together, particularly in our response to the pandemic, our focus on continuous improvement and learning, and our shared commitment to delivering safe, effective, person-centred care for the people of Fife."

Ms Potter will formally step down next summer and NHS Fife said arrangements will be made to appoint her successor.

Board chairwoman Pat Kilpatrick thanked Ms Potter for her "outstanding leadership" and contribution to NHS Fife and to the wider NHS in Scotland.

She said: "Her dedication to improving health services and outcomes for the people of Fife has been exemplary, and she leaves a strong legacy for her successor to build upon."

What is the Sandie Peggie tribunal?​

The news comes ahead of the expected judgment in the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal.

Ms Peggie, a nurse working for NHS Fife, took the health board and Dr Beth Upton to a tribunal earlier this year, claiming that being made to get changed beside her transgender colleague amounted to unlawful harassment under the Equality Act.

She was suspended after she complained about Dr Upton using the female changing rooms in a Kirkcaldy hospital's A&E department.

At the time, NHS guidance said that transgender men and women were allowed to use the changing rooms that aligned with their declared gender identity.

NHS Fife said it has spent over £220,000 defending itself during the tribunal - although the health board will only be liable for £25,000 of legal costs.

The tribunal has gained gained attention from both side of the transgender debate.

A ruling in the case is expected before the end of the year.


Bristol's van dweller have finally worn out their welcome even in that hole.
One of the UK's biggest van-dwelling communities is to be cleared after evidence emerged that park space is being "used as a toilet".

Bristol City Council said human waste left at Clifton Downs was "not acceptable" and presents a serious hazard. There are about 100 vans parked up on the edge of the Downs, the council estimates.

Council leaders said they are working on a place for evicted van dwellers to move to and outreach workers would prioritise support for "the most vulnerable people".

But Tyler, who has lived on the Downs since the summer, said he cannot afford Bristol's high rental prices, adding: "We're doing the best we can to survive. It isn't a matter of luxury."
While the council said it understands not all of the van dwellers are responsible for leaving human waste, it said it "must take action to put an end to this behaviour".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwypy2x39xdo
In a statement released on Monday, the council said its enforcement officers had found several sites on the picturesque Downs being used as organised toilet facilities, filled with human waste.

"Quite simply, this is not acceptable and presents a significant public health issue," said a statement written by councillors Barry Parsons and Stephen Williams.

"Human waste represents a serious hazard to anyone using the Downs, particularly young children and pets who may play in bushes.

Since the inspection, Bristol Waste's workers have been on site to clear the affected areas and will return to remove further waste.


Tensions between vehicle dwellers and residents on the Downs have been rising over the last few years.

Several van dwellers have told the BBC that they chose to live in vehicles due to the housing crisis.

Neville, who has lived in his caravan on the edge of the Downs for the last five weeks, said the influx of van dwellers in Bristol is a "domino effect" from the city's housing crisis.

The 32-year-old, who says he works 60-70 hours a week as a chef, described the council's decision as "inhumane".

"I've spent nearly 13 years in the city, and I've watched the prices for a house share alone, which is what most people can afford, to go up nearly double the price, if not more," he said.

"So for me, the question isn't 'why are we having people up here?' It's 'why haven't we got affordable housing in a city'."


Last month, the council proposed to offer people up to three months' support to find an alternative to living on the kerbside, before enforcement action is taken.

It also said it wanted to create 250 pitches for people living in caravans on temporary "meanwhile sites" to provide basic services and a safer alternative to roadside living.

Tyler, who has lived on the site since the summer, claims that no one from the council has contacted him to allocate him a "meanwhile site" since he arrived at the Downs in the summer.

"I don't know what there is for us after this. This was the last resort for a lot of people anyway," he added.

The council currently has five meanwhile sites with 65 pitches - all of which are taken.
(I have no idea if Tyler is the one on the left or the right)
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Finally some coverage of the trial around the "uwu smol beans" Palestine Action protestors who fractured a cop's back with a sledgehammer.
Wait what?
A male Palestine Action activist attacked a female police sergeant with a sledgehammer and fractured her spine during a raid on an Israel-based defence firm's UK site, a trial has heard.

Six members of the proscribed terror group are accused of carrying out an attack at Elbit Systems in Bristol after breaking into the factory in an old prison van in the early hours of August 6 last year.

Wearing white hard hats and red and black jumpsuits to represent which 'team' they were on during their operation, they allegedly used sledgehammers, whips, fireworks, an axe and a paintball gun as weapons and carried angle grinders.

Charlotte Head, 29, Samuel Corner, 23, Leona Kamio, 30, Fatema Rajwani, 21, Zoe Rogers, 22, and Jordan Devlin, 31, are charged with aggravated burglary, criminal damage and violent disorder in relation to the alleged break-in.

Corner denies a further charge of causing Police Sergeant Kate Evans grievous bodily harm.

Dramatic footage released by Counter Terror police shows members of Palestine Action, from the 'Red Team', inside the Elbit Systems building holding red smoke flares and wielding sledgehammers as they threateningly approached security guard Nigel Shaw.

Mr Shaw is seen to try and fight off the protesters with his umbrella as they menace him with the sledgehammers and shout: 'Get the f**k out.'

One female member shouts 'Over there right now!' at the guard.

Another clip shows the group breaking into the building by using an old prison van to ram through a large roll-up door leading to a loading dock.

When police arrive one officer manages to grab hold of one of the hammers and has a terrifying stand off with another protester who tells him he is going to lose his job in the morning.

When another protester is arrested she repeatedly moans that the officer is hurting her after she had threatened Mr Shaw with the sledgehammer just minutes before.

Members of the group can be seen walking with sledgehammers whilst shouting and swearing before one male overpowered the officer recording with a bodycam and got on top of them.


The most distressing footage allegedly shows Corner striking Police Sergeant Kate Evans on her back as she screams from the painful blow which fractured her lumbar spine, leaving her unable to return to work for three months.

The alleged attacker is then seen being taken down by police officers with a taser and a final clip shows one Palestine Action member being dragged out of the building by police after all six were arrested.

PS Evans told Woolwich Crown Court on Monday she thought her spine was 'shattered' when she was hit to her lower back while she was on her knees arresting a female activist.

Giving evidence, she told the jury: 'I can remember struggling with the handcuffs. The ratchet bit got caught on the clothing, on her red boiler suit.

'Then I remember looking up at my colleague - he just had this shocked face on him then I just remember pain in my back.

'It was just a massive shock vibrating through my whole body, a thud on my back. It just extended through my whole body down to my legs. I felt frozen.

'I was stunned to begin with. I didn't know what it was. I remember looking round and seeing the male with the sledgehammer behind me.'

She added: 'I can remember a million thoughts racing through my head. When I look back, it was almost like I was in a movie and everything happened really fast around me.

'My head's thinking my spine is shattered at this point.'


PS Evans told the trial she recalls only one blow, but her colleague Police Constable Peter Adams said he saw Corner hit her on her back twice.

PC Adams told the court: 'I remember her screaming in pain and she's fallen to the floor on her back.'

The court heard that PS Evans was left with a large bruise on her back and an X-ray showed there was a fracture to her lumbar spine, leaving her unable to return to work for three months.

Police Constable Aaron Buxton also attended the incident and recalled the 'blonde male', who hit PS Evans, swinging a sledgehammer at him moments before when he had tackled another activist to the floor.

He told the jury: 'I was laid on my back with the male with brown hair on top of me. The male with blonde hair turned and walked back towards us. He has swung the sledgehammer multiple times towards me.

'I don't know how many times he swung it because in the moment I was scared. I believe it made contact with my right calf and my work radio.

'I had quite considerable pain down that area of my leg following it. Also I had slight bruising come up.'

All six defendants were arrested at the factory.

Prosecutor Deanna Heer KC earlier told jurors: 'They were armed with a variety of weapons, including whips, hammers, axes, metal skewers, one of them at least had a paintball gun, smoke grenades, flares and fireworks which once they'd entered they proceeded to light and throw or fire across the car park at Nigel Shaw as he approached them carrying nothing more than his umbrella.

'Angelo Volante, another security guard, had been manning the front gate on the other side of the building, but sprinted round to the rear yard when he heard Nigel Shaw calling for help on the radio.

'As he got close to Mr Volante, Mr Shaw ran across and tackled him to the ground, striking him across the back of the legs with his brolly.

'As Mr Shaw tried to detain this particular member of the black team, this masked intruder said to Mr Shore: "We come in peace".

'The group then aggressively drove Shaw and Volante back cracking whips and throwing fireworks, screaming at them to 'F**k off' until Volante managed to grab a whip from one of them which he used in self-defence.

'Eventually, the black team turned and left, retreating across the car park, towards the perimeter fence where the hole had earlier been discovered.

'They climbed over the inner fence and disappeared into the undergrowth in the direction of the railway line.

'As a result of this encounter, Nigel Shaw suffered a 4cm laceration to his head and abrasions to his back, shoulders and knees.

'Caps on several of his front teeth, it seems, were also knocked out during the melee.

'In subsequent footage of the activities that followed, he appears, as you will see, apparently disorientated with blood pouring down his face.'


The prosecutor said: 'The van was driven by Charlotte Head. Samuel Corner was the front passenger,' the prosecutor said.

'Leona Kamio, Fatema Zainab Rajwani, Zoe Rogers and Jordan Devlin were in the rear.

'They were all dressed in red jumpsuits.

'Their role was to cause as much damage as possible until they were forcibly stopped.'

Ms Heer told jurors: 'They used fire extinguishers filled with red paint to spray the walls and floor.

'They used crowbars and hammers to damage computer equipment and boxes of technical products, which they smashed apart.'

Corner of Rock Hill, Georgeham; Kamio, of Clifden Road, Hackney, east London; Rajwani, of Commonside East, Mitcham, south London; Rogers, of Selborne Road, Enfield, north west London; Devlin, of Stoke Newington High Street, north London and Head, of Upper Clapton Road, Hackney, all deny aggravated burglary, criminal damage and violent disorder.

Corner further denies causing grievous bodily harm with intent to PS Evans.

The court heard that Elbit Systems UK manufactures defence technology equipment and is a UK-registered company whose parent company is based in Israel.

The trial continues.
I know it's the Mail but I think this might be some of the things Labour ministers were talking about when they said dumbass supporters of the group did not know what they had been up to.

"Exaggerated intelligence" claims from the BBC over this one? Oh this could be fun
MPs have demanded police give a fuller account of allegedly exaggerated intelligence that led to a decision to ban Israeli fans from their club's match against Aston Villa.

A report in the Sunday Times claimed West Midlands Police (WMP) had overstated the threat posed by Maccabi Tel Aviv fans ahead of the match on 6 November, citing violence around a game in the Netherlands last year.

In response, shadow home secretary Chris Philp said unless WMP had a good explanation, Chief Constable Craig Guildford should resign. Home Office minister Sarah Jones said she had written to him asking for clarity.

WMP has defended its evaluation, saying its plan was "proportionate".
The newspaper article on Sunday said an intelligence report relied on by the force had claimed some Maccabi-Tel Aviv fans were "highly organised, skilled fighters with a serious desire and will to fight with police and opposing groups".

It had also suggested that 500 to 600 of them had targeted Muslim communities in Amsterdam and fans had been thrown in a river, claims which the newspaper said had been denied by Dutch police.

Putting an urgent question in the Commons, Conservative MP Nick Timothy demanded the publication of all intelligence material relating to the ban and evidence considered by Birmingham's Safety Advisory Group (SAG).

The panel, bringing together council and police experts, was responsible for imposing restrictions on away fans for the game on 6 November.

Calling for the government "to hold the West Midlands Police to account", Philp added: "The Maccabi fans were not skilled and organised fighters - it was just made up."


The minister told MPs she had written to WMP to "get to the bottom" of the claims, and that the Home Office had asked His Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, Fire and Rescue Services to carry out a wider investigation into how safety assessments were carried out.

She said the force was carrying out a debrief of events leading up to the match, and would be publishing "a timeline of events, the decisions taken and the rationale for the recommendations that were provided to the SAG".

'Safe and welcoming place'​

Responding to the Sunday Times claims, a spokesperson for the force said: "West Midlands Police's evaluation was based primarily on information and intelligence and had public safety at its heart.

"We assessed the fixture between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam as having involved significant public disorder.

"We met with Dutch police on 1 October, where information relating to that 2024 fixture was shared with us."

Police concluded a sub-section of Maccabi fans posed "a credible threat to public safety".

They concluded: "We are satisfied that the policing strategy and operational plan was effective, proportionate and maintained the city's reputation as a safe and welcoming place for everyone."


Fine, let's find the Times article. In the absence of a direct link this seems like the one
A British police force used false intelligence to secure a ban on Israeli fans attending an away game in Birmingham this month, according to Dutch law enforcement.
West Midlands police concluded it was “high risk” for Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters to go to a Europa League game at Aston Villa on November 6, leading the local authority to recommend they be banned.
In a confidential report setting out its justification, the force detailed violence when Tel Aviv played Ajax in Amsterdam last year, claiming that Israeli fans threw “innocent members of the public into the river”, that between 500 and 600 “intentionally targeted Muslim communities” and that 5,000 police officers were deployed in response.


The national police force of the Netherlands has said the claims were incorrect. Sebastiaan Meijer, a spokesman for the Amsterdam division, said he was “surprised” by other allegations, including one that 200 travelling Maccabi fans were “linked” to the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). He said his force would never have had such intelligence and that Israel had a policy of conscription, making the claim meaningless.

Of the finding that the Israelis were “highly organised, skilled fighters with a serious desire and will to fight with police and opposing groups”, he said: “Amsterdam police does not recognise the claim.” West Midlands police had attributed it to Dutch law enforcement.
On people being thrown into the river, Meijer said the only known case related to a man who appeared to be a Maccabi Tel Aviv fan. He was filmed being told he could leave the water on the condition he said “Free Palestine”.


The Dutch police issued its denial after the intelligence was leaked, describing information cited by its British counterparts as “not true” and in some instances obviously inaccurate. None of the disputed claims appear in an investigation by the Dutch justice and security ministry dated in May.
However, West Midlands later used the report to address concerns expressed during a behind-closed-doors meeting last month with members of Birmingham’s Jewish community. Jack Hadley, a superintendent, told those present that “innocent members of the public walking down the road were just thrown into the river” and claimed Dutch police described the coordination and organisation of the fans as “unique”. He said violence, the likes of which had “never [been] seen” had “resulted in” the deployment of thousands of extra officers. That claim is also rejected by Amsterdam police.

The key claims — and Dutch response​


Claim: 200 Israelis were “linked” to the IDF.

Response: “We did not investigate any IDF backgrounds … most young men in Israel have some connection to the IDF but we did not investigate it and we don’t have a number for that.”

Claim: Some 500 to 600 of them deliberately targeted “Muslim communities”.

Response: It would be small groups in the city that would get into fights … I don’t have a number [on] how many actually partook in disorder.”

Claim: Maccabi fans threw members of the public into the river.

Response: “We have evidence of one case [where] you can hear someone say, ‘Yell “free Palestine” and then you can leave, then we’ll get you out’.”

Claim: Dutch police deployed 5,000 officers.

Response: “In total we came to 1,200, in different shifts, though. About 1,200 were deployed. I read 5,000 police. That number is so not true.”

Claim: Israelis were “highly organised, skilled fighters with a serious desire and will to fight with police and opposing groups”.

Response: “The Amsterdam police does not recognise the claim.”
The Dutch intervention places renewed pressure on a force — Britain’s second largest by population — which has already been accused of compromising its political independence and pandering to the loudest voices in the city. Among them is Ayoub Khan, the pro-Gaza independent MP, who led a petition with Jeremy Corbyn to ban Israelis from arriving in a “diverse and predominantly Muslim community”. He said the fans’ attendance would damage “community harmony” and normalise genocide.
West Midlands refused to respond to inquiries for several days last week. On Saturday morning, its spokesman said its “evaluation had public safety at its heart … We met with Dutch police on October 1, where information relating to that 2024 fixture was shared with us. Informed by information and intelligence, we concluded that Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters — specifically the subgroup known as the Maccabi Fanatics — posed a credible threat to public safety.” Asked if it stood by the disputed claims in the report, and for their source, it said its findings were based on a “range of factors” including Dutch police.
Nick Timothy, a Conservative MP and an Aston Villa fan, said that if the chief constable, Craig Guildford, “cannot justify the actions of the force, he will need to resign”.
When the ban was announced last month, it caused controversy. No 10 condemned the exclusion of fans from the Jewish state “simply because of who they are”. Critics claimed other clubs with “ultras” — fanatical fans who can be violent — had not faced equivalent measures. The prime minister said it was the police’s job to “ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation”, adding: “We will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets.”
Timothy said the move risked a slide to “mob rule” where the state must “police the boundaries between different ethnic and religious groups to avoid disorder”.


Others queried the implications of the decision for future games involving Israeli club sides or the national team, with the UK hosting the Euros in 2028. Israel, which some nations are seeking to remove from Uefa over its actions in Gaza, could qualify for the tournament.
In response to criticism, West Midlands said it had conducted a “thorough assessment” that suggested Israeli hooligans posed a significant danger and would provoke others. It found that Birmingham’s almost 350,000 Muslims were at risk alongside travelling fans and the local Jewish community of a few thousand.
The force said it had reached its conclusion “based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 Uefa Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in Amsterdam”.

The Amsterdam fixture led to two nights of violence after provocations by Maccabi ultras, including the pulling of Palestine flags from buildings, anti-Arab chants and attacking taxis. In turn, cab drivers, many of Arab descent, put out calls to mobilise against the Israeli supporters. They were joined by locals on foot and mounted on scooters. The Dutch government said fans were then indiscriminately ambushed and assaulted, with targeted attacks on people of Jewish background or perceived as such.
Some on social media called for a “Jew hunt”, according to the BBC, while the Amsterdam mayor warned of “antisemitic hit-and-run squads”. Seven people, five of them Israeli, were treated in hospital. The public prosecutor said 62 arrests took place — reportedly ten Israelis; the remainder Dutch — and five people were treated in hospital with serious injuries. Five local men have been convicted of violence, theft and assault.
When evidence of Israeli hooliganism emerged, it was condemned by the UN and complicated the initial suggestions of one-sided violence. The city’s mayor said she regretted saying the situation “brings back the memory of pogroms” — historical attacks on Jews in Europe — suggesting it had been weaponised by anti-Muslim politicians domestically and Israel’s government.
However, West Midlands police went further than any official report or body in intelligence documents it presented to Birmingham city council’s safety advisory group (SAG) — a committee of police and other public servants — during meetings last month.
Based on the claims, West Midlands concluded the fixture — already “considered highly emotive due to ongoing activities between Israel and Palestine” — posed a high risk of spontaneous disorder, anti-social behaviour, protests and action against “away [high] risk supporters”. It acknowledged there was a lesser but medium risk of “pre-planned disorder”, “risk to local Muslim communities”, “risk to pro-Palestine protesters” and “crime”.


SAG responded unanimously, sending a formal recommendation to Aston Villa that away fans should be banned and asking the club to communicate the decision to Tel Aviv. Had Villa objected, the SAG could have asked the Labour-led local authority to revoke the safety certificate, which is a legal requirement for hosting games. After initially refusing to explain their reasoning in detail, police cited their intelligence on last year’s game to justify the ban.
In the meeting with the Birmingham Jewish community last month, Hadley said: “The Dutch police, as you would expect, responded … and ended up in some of the worst fighting they have ever, ever seen.”
Meijer dismissed such claims. On the notion 5,000 officers had to be deployed, he said: “In total we came to 1,200, in different shifts, though … I read 5,000 police. That number is so not true.” He said there was no evidence 600 people “deliberately” targeted Muslims, saying the force did not have “a number of how many actually partook in the disorder”.
He rejected the notion that the Israelis were highly sophisticated or organised, noting that the violence that did occur was the result of “a lot of what you might call small incidents”, with Maccabi fans “getting into fights, but not a lot and not in a very alarming way”.


He said the notion of hundreds of men being “linked” to the IDF was groundless, stating: “We did not investigate any IDF backgrounds.” He said that, given military conscription, “most young men in Israel have some connection to the IDF but we did not investigate it and we don’t have a number for that. Of course not. I read [the claim]. I was really surprised.”
Of civilians being thrown by Maccabi fans into water, he said the opposite appeared to be true: “We have evidence of one case when it happened … you can hear someone ‘yell free Palestine and then you can leave, then we’ll get you out’”. Video of such an incident proliferated online on the night of the fixture, with a man, apparently a Maccabi supporter, complying.
The claims are further undermined by a Dutch government inquiry published earlier this year. It found 300 Maccabi fans were “at risk” but made no claims about the extent of organisation among fans or their links to the IDF. The report found that the initial provocations that led to wider violence were “minor” from a law enforcement perspective and met with “minor scuffles”. It also rejected the 5,000 claim, stating: “The police are generally adequately equipped. The deployment is extensive, with over 1,200 police officers, including specialised units.”


A report from the mayor’s office has previously said the events stemmed “from a toxic combination of antisemitism, hooliganism and anger about the conflicts in Palestine and Israel”.
By the time Sir Keir Starmer said he would seek to reverse the decision, Maccabi had decided not to offer its supporters tickets. A political row also erupted with Kemi Badenoch, the leader of the opposition, calling it a “national disgrace” and an Israeli minister branding it a “shameful decision”. No 10 said the police were supposed to “ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation”.
The game took place on November 6. Police made 11 arrests with more than 700 officers deployed amid a large pro-Palestine presence at Villa Park and a smaller number of pro-Israel supporters.
In recent weeks, details of the report have been leaked and presented as authoritative intelligence in the public domain. The Guardian said “extreme” Maccabi fans were the reason for the ban — and cited 5,000 officers as an example of the “huge” police response in Amsterdam. The BBC followed up the report, while the Middle East Eye reported UK police “found” that hundreds of supporters were “linked” to the IDF.
After doubts about it emerged last week, Khan, the MP, said: “I think I rather believe the West Mids Police and safety advisory group analysis.” He said the chief constable of the force should be “commended with a medal for standing resolutely against hooligans”.


Elliot Ludvig, a professor at Warwick University and a Jewish Aston Villa fan, was at the October 20 meeting between police and members of the Jewish community. He said Hadley had described how “he went to Amsterdam, met with Amsterdam police, didn’t say who or how many or at what level, and this is what he came back with: that they were militarily trained, that they overpowered the Dutch police and how the Israeli hooligans were the worst they’d ever seen.
“The impression left was that these are the worst fans we’ve ever seen or heard of in our lives, and there’s no way we can allow them in the city. And then he detailed some of the things that were in the report, including them throwing people into the canal. That was basically the message.”
Other examples of travelling fans being banned from away legs in Britain include a Uefa decision to block supporters of Galatasaray, Turkey, from attending a game in Leeds after two fans were stabbed to death in Istanbul. In 2023, Villa, acting on West Midlands police advice, blocked Legia Warsaw fans from entering Villa Park. Almost 50 men were charged after clashes with police, leading Uefa to impose a five-match ban on the Polish club’s fans attending away games.
 
They're serious? The government who jail people for hurty words on the internet are abolishing jury trials?

Wow.
No, no, just for those crimes carrying sentences less than five years, understand? But, wouldn't you know it! Meanywords and wrongthink shall carry sentences of- and isn't this something- four years and three hundred sixty four days! Wow! This will ensure our judges can lessen their workload of trying and forgiving infinite nigger rapes by automatically sending wrongthinkers to jail. God Save the Prophet (peace be upon him)!
 
No, no, just for those crimes carrying sentences less than five years, understand? But, wouldn't you know it! Meanywords and wrongthink shall carry sentences of- and isn't this something- four years and three hundred sixty four days! Wow! This will ensure our judges can lessen their workload of trying and forgiving infinite nigger rapes by automatically sending wrongthinkers to jail. God Save the Prophet (peace be upon him)!
Instead of a ten'er in a Gulag we get a fiver in a muslim filled shithole, which is a death sentence for anyone sent there for slagging off Islam.

Combine this with the push to remove ethnicity from crimes and it isn't hard to image the reason for it is to hide how many whites are being sentenced to jail while browns are let off, and let out, willy nilly.
 
It's great that you felt better with doing a practical task, many people do. However, men should be able to talk about their feelings, just like your girlfriend, wife, fiance in the hairdresser, like you in the pub, pool bar etc. Many straight couples get divorced due to lack of honesty, there's no honesy.

Aslo, the John Lewis advert was fucking shit.
Men do share their feelings. What men don't do is talk about them in the same way women talk about them. That means they won't just talk about their deepest feelings with just anyone, but will instead only communicate them to people they trust at a deep level. That level of trust is only built up through shared physical activity, which could be anything ranging from building a house, to yomping across scotland in the middle of winter, to shooting one another with air guns, to sitting silently on a boat in the middle of a lake at three in the morning. A lot of that physical activity is in itself the act of communication, and much of it can be violent and aggressive. Men bond through shared pain and hardship. Men show their closeness by calling one another names. Men express love for one another by punching each other in the balls. This is how men talk about their feelings.

Trying to get men to communicate their feelings like women will just turn them into malformed, socially stunted "women" with extreme anger issues. See also: troons, lispy queers, and BBC journalists.
 
All this stuff about men talking about their feelings reminds me of He's Turned Emo by the Lancashire Hotpots:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xilOgjeEwPg"I just want my emotions to be exposed!
Emotions? Tha's from Lancashire, tha's not got none of those!
"
Brilliant band.

Hearing that BBB (Black Belt Barrister) will have a hot take video about the useless ape's demented plans tomorrow.

Will be interesting to see if Solicitors, Barristers and even Judges oppose what Lammy has said and threaten to strike until he's been removed.

The former Recorder of Cardiff, Eleri Rees, was on radio earlier and said that these plans are 'idiotic, badly thought out and will only increase pressure on the legal system at a time when prison cell availability is extremely low.'

Now, is Lammy going to demand that she be thrown in prison for disagreeing with her?

Certainly, we need to imprison those who do wrong, but without prison spaces that's not possible.

All in all, half-baked much like Lammy himself.

Still, at least they'll be able to break out after a few days because it's not like Lammy will learn from the Chelmsford incidents and others - heck, we might as well have a revolving door at the HMP's.

My guess is Lammy will be replaced with Alex Davies-Jones (Pontypridd MP) by January.
 
Interesting article in the Telegraph today, explaining the uniquely awful anti-homelessness law the SNP, (Nicola Sturgeon's bright idea) passed in Glasgow that has turned the city into the worst hit city in the country for boat people.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/834e0b39b4f46c5b

@Made In Wales Theres a bit with John Curtice talking about the political fortunes of the parties at Holyrood next year, I've put it under the spoiler for you

Still, the stakes are high ahead of the Scottish Parliament elections next May. Labour’s revival north of the border has stalled. “It would sound deluded to deny it’s going to be tough,” Reid says. “But if anyone can turn it around, it’s Anas [Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader].”

The SNP, though weakened, retains support in the mid-30s. But the real story might be Reform, which is now polling at around 20 per cent. “If the 2026 elections are broadly in line with the polls, independence will again be confirmed as the main divide,” says the historian Dr Stephen Davies. “It’s the Quebecification of Scottish politics”: nationalist parties dominate, even without the prospect of a referendum.

Prof Curtice suggests that Reform’s rise could even keep the SNP in power by fracturing the Right-leaning vote, but Kerr disagrees. “Nigel Farage isn’t seen as controversial anymore, and public resentment is mounting.” Immigration, he insists, now eclipses independence in voters’ minds. In his Shettleston ward, Saltires signify not separatism but defiance against open borders. He scoffs at how the SNP now blanch at the blue and white of St Andrew. At how a movement built on nationalist sentiment can now recoil at it. Swinney has said he “won’t have it redefined by anyone else”.
 
I really hope the sledgehammer wielding PA fella gets the book thrown at him. Assaulting an officer has always been more serious because of what it represents. There are a lot more non-police-officers compared to police officers in this country, and the state doesn't want the former to realise this fact, in case they get revolutionary ideas along the lines of "Well there's more of us than there are of them, so what's actually stopping us?" Finding this guy guilty, throwing the full sentence at him, and then heavily publicising both the video of the assault and details of his lengthy sentence would serve TPTB very well, both in terms of getting the more naive PA supporters to understand the group they think only cause a bit of bother with red paint, while also putting fear into the types of people who were kicking up a fuss after Axel Rudakubana decided to reenact his homeland's genocidal pastimes.
 
I know you didn't write the article but its misleading in that it hasn't yet started and is only a proposal and requires legislation next year. Yes its an alarming suggestion/proposal but it hasn't actually been actioned yet.
Both of my screenshots have the word "proposals" in them
 
I always thought it was funny how things like the Magna Carta and the events at Runnymede were held in higher esteem by American intelligentsia than the British people. The American Bar Association literally installed the monument memorializing the signing of the Magna Carta at Runnymede. But I never thought things like the Henrician judicial reforms and the petty and grand assizes would go the way of the Magna Carta, totally forgotten by the British while still being taught in American legal primers.

It's just sad. It's like Latin being used as the intellectual language of western Europe while those actually living in Rome used the old forum plaza to graze their sheep. It's not just the end of an empire, but the total decline of the nation behind it.
 
Trying to get men to communicate their feelings like women will just turn them into malformed, socially stunted "women" with extreme anger issues. See also: troons, lispy queers, and BBC journalists.

Then we have the issue that men sharing their problems with women, even loved ones, all too often ends up with those problems being weaponised against them and used to humiliate or shame them during disputes or arguments.
 
Interesting article in the Telegraph today, explaining the uniquely awful anti-homelessness law the SNP, (Nicola Sturgeon's bright idea) passed in Glasgow that has turned the city into the worst hit city in the country for boat people.
This gift link removes the paywall , and allows you to see the comments
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/834e0b39b4f46c5b

@Made In Wales Theres a bit with John Curtice talking about the political fortunes of the parties at Holyrood next year, I've put it under the spoiler for you

Still, the stakes are high ahead of the Scottish Parliament elections next May. Labour’s revival north of the border has stalled. “It would sound deluded to deny it’s going to be tough,” Reid says. “But if anyone can turn it around, it’s Anas [Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader].”

The SNP, though weakened, retains support in the mid-30s. But the real story might be Reform, which is now polling at around 20 per cent. “If the 2026 elections are broadly in line with the polls, independence will again be confirmed as the main divide,” says the historian Dr Stephen Davies. “It’s the Quebecification of Scottish politics”: nationalist parties dominate, even without the prospect of a referendum.

Prof Curtice suggests that Reform’s rise could even keep the SNP in power by fracturing the Right-leaning vote, but Kerr disagrees. “Nigel Farage isn’t seen as controversial anymore, and public resentment is mounting.” Immigration, he insists, now eclipses independence in voters’ minds. In his Shettleston ward, Saltires signify not separatism but defiance against open borders. He scoffs at how the SNP now blanch at the blue and white of St Andrew. At how a movement built on nationalist sentiment can now recoil at it. Swinney has said he “won’t have it redefined by anyone else”.

Many thanks for this @FuckedOffToff - this touches on what I mentioned in a post I made yesterday about 'Farage Derangement Syndrome' in that nobody is listening to what the established order are now saying about him and Reform UK.

The bit I've highlighted in bold says it all - if Nigel is not seen as controversial and if public resentment is mounting then a reckoning is coming.

The SNP might just limp to a majority in Holyrood, bar any credible opposition there and also Reform UK do not have the same prominence there yet as they do in England and Wales. However, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that at the next GE a number of Scottish seats will turn turquoise as people will have then tired of 'the same old shit.'

Whilst the SNP need a big hitter, the memories of both Alec Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon are still too recent and with both of them tarnishing the name of the party it will be a good while before they are trusted again and can even dream of the success they had a decade ago. The problem here (and with Left parties) is that whilst a Farage type figure would boost them, they are either too scared to put one in charge or (as with Mark Drakeford in Wales) they would rather bend the knee towards 'academia and smarts' even when this will create a feudalistic society/nation in the process.

It's also deeply delicious and ironic that Swinney, as with Polanski, now gets that nationalism and defending ones borders isn't a bad thing - perhaps they've realised that they will be the first to be replaced should the migrant hoardes declare war on the Britons.

How can there be a nation if the flag is too problematic to exist, and how can you be proud to be Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish Republican/Northern Irish/British if it means you are oppressing the incomer, as after all doesn't wokeness mean that you must give and bend the knee?

Anyway, it's a busy day on Wednesday - let the chaos unfurl!
 
I always thought it was funny how things like the Magna Carta and the events at Runnymede were held in higher esteem by American intelligentsia than the British people. The American Bar Association literally installed the monument memorializing the signing of the Magna Carta at Runnymede. But I never thought things like the Henrician judicial reforms and the petty and grand assizes would go the way of the Magna Carta, totally forgotten by the British while still being taught in American legal primers.

It's just sad. It's like Latin being used as the intellectual language of western Europe while those actually living in Rome used the old forum plaza to graze their sheep. It's not just the end of an empire, but the total decline of the nation behind it.
The last time the magna carta was ignored was by a king called Charles who lost his head.
 

Just in case people wish to debate the Budget as the bad news comes in...
 
Increase the number of solicitors that are qualified each year (the number is artificially capped by a ridiculously antiquated system).
I think this might be wrong. There’s too many people wandering around with law degrees and a lot of solicitors don’t make the kind of money you expect, especially considering the amount of money you spend whilst studying law.

I knew a lad years ago that was earning less than me, an excel enjoyer, and was getting £18k as a fully qualified solicitor doing ambulance chasing working.

That was a time when most graduate positions were £21k a year.
 
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