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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Loads of stuff has been a huge step backwards on fire safety. All those random "factory/warehouse outlet" paki furniture shops I'm sure if tested every single thing in them would go up like those old 90s fire safety PSAs. Similar for all the stuff drop shipped from china. Pair that with carelessly shoving a lithium battery in just about everything and house flippers doing shoddy diy electrics everywhere and we have loads of fires.

Also I know London Fire Brigade put out that they respond to an ebike/scooter fire every two days in 2023 and if I had to guess it's gone up as owning them has gone up.

https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/safety/lithium-batteries/

God damn pl posting.
None of the electrical shit in supermarkets or on shopping channels passes testing. The inspectors are just in house and pressurised to pass it or be sacked.

A very large place burned down in the late 00s due to one of these electrical heaters.

(If anyone asks I’m a gynaecologist because of all the cunts I work with)

 

[>IMPLYING]

If I wfh or away from an office I have to use VPN. They can’t ban them without pissing off business completely. They’re more likely to get backdoors put in.

That'd require the VPN providers to collectively kowtow, which would completely invalidate the main thing they market themselves on. Plus the tediousness of storing the initial VPN user's IP, collecting their site data and storing it, encrypting said data before sending it, and then reporting content of user's data to the authorities of a foreign nation. Problem? It was a mobile user so the data from their POV went to a destination server, so there's not a static IP to directly assign blame. So the police approach the mobile network, ask them (via warrant, procedure) for the IPs of users who used VPNs, and guess what: multiple VPN users. Since there's no way to assign specific blame to one user, they'd need to pursue warrants to search the devices of the users and so on — it's a pain in the ass and time consuming, you get the idea.

At a push, since most of the government's most effective measures at internet control are at the ISP level, you're more likely to see the government's illegalisation of ISPs simply refuse to stream data to users using a VPN, since they can see when you're connected to one anyway and that's the best they can feasibly do, which'd just result in business being pissed off like you said and would require them to brush all VPN users as having bad intentions to let this pass optically.

It can't be done.

 

[Otterly]

It can't be done.

The stupidity and general retardedness of the government is a boon sometimes. That’s what makes the Germans and Swiss so terrifying - the combo of bureaucracy and efficiency. We couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery at this point, which sucks in many ways but makes the big dystopian stuff a tiny bit less likely

 

[BongoMongo]

For the last umpteen years, Labour and the thoroughly smug, insufferable left leaning cunts who support them, have had nothing going for them, no ideas, no suggestions, no position beyond "well we're not the tories" and now it's coming home to roost.

It's beautiful to watch.

 

[Coolio55]

On the VPN topic, they can't ban them, but they can render them useless by paying a few companies to 'accidently leak all messages, viewed pages and password/personal information' in a 'cyber attack orchestrated by schroedinger's enemy; the Russians', who are simultaneously thick as pig-shit and master strategist, military techno-geniuses.

Yeah, unlikely. That would cause a huge international incident.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

@Crunkle don't forget that we still hear about that head teacher who killed herself because of the Ofsted review and they have been forced to make changes because of it.

This suicide will be buried in the news by comparison.

I know the conversation has moved on, but I'm still mad that the government got into trouble for this. I ideally don't want anyone to commit suicide, but what she did was one of the dumbest things imaginable while in control of a school: She wasn't vetting people who were being employed by the school. They would have no knowledge that Mr Biggins moved from Gateshead for perving on kids, they would have no knowledge that Miss Smith has 14 counts of domestic abuse, they'd have no knowledge that Mr Henderson is still on probation for plowing into group of Liverpool fans, they'd have no knowledge that Miss Ashoo doesn't actually have a teaching qualification etc.

She knew she was beyond fucked, she was absolutely going to be fired (after a long drawn out process) which would result in her pension being in danger, and anyone who knows headmasters/mistresses know that they've spent the past 20+ years grinding at their fucking school job to get the accreditation to get that job. Their one key skill is gone, no school will take them on after this, their pension is probably fucked.

Instead Ofsted got reamed over telling a fucking idiot to the point of criminality that they were a fucking idiot to the point of criminality.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Yeah, unlikely. That would cause a huge international incident.

Not one 'accidental' leaking of data - which is either an insurance job, or a ploy to sell data on the sly to line the pockets of the board, has ever caused so much as an eye raise.
The biggest back lash of data leaking were when Sony leaked credit card details and the fappening - fairly obvious why that one had backlash. If you want to go back a few years you could class Ashley Madison blackmail leak.

Marks and Spencers and Co-op; to large supermarket chains in the UK, had a cyber attack, where people couldn't buy anything online. One of them is still on going. both have admitted credit card details have leaked.
23 and me leaked (((had a cyberattack))) which released dna and ancestry details on millions of people.

These companies lose, leak and sell data all the time and nobody gives a flying shit. 3 eyes, 5 eyes and 7 eyes would defend any VPN operator leaking data (legally, they're already doing it).

 

[Made In Wales]

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/boris-johnson-comeback-nigel-farage-reform-conservative

Boris v Nigel...

Not one 'accidental' leaking of data - which is either an insurance job, or a ploy to sell data on the sly to line the pockets of the board, has ever caused so much as an eye raise.
The biggest back lash of data leaking were when Sony leaked credit card details and the fappening - fairly obvious why that one had backlash. If you want to go back a few years you could class Ashley Madison blackmail leak.

Marks and Spencers and Co-op; to large supermarket chains in the UK, had a cyber attack, where people couldn't buy anything online. One of them is still on going. both have admitted credit card details have leaked.
23 and me leaked (((had a cyberattack))) which released dna and ancestry details on millions of people.

These companies lose, leak and sell data all the time and nobody gives a flying shit. 3 eyes, 5 eyes and 7 eyes would defend any VPN operator leaking data (legally, they're already doing it).

Plus the NHS WannaCry ransomware as well.

 

[>IMPLYING]

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/boris-johnson-comeback-nigel-farage-reform-conservative

Boris v Nigel...

Just emphasise Boris' ineffectualness when it comes to Brexit (he refused to no-deal because it was "too late"), how immigration continued to skyrocket under him, and how he enabled said inflow of immigrants despite Covid lockdowns, and again — his breaking of Covid lockdown rules despite implementing them to begin with.

I honestly cannot see how the Conservative higher-ups view Boris as a the golden ticket when he was considered a big enough detriment in the first place that he had to resign. Is he the darling of the doners and business-Tories? I don't see any actual support for him anywhere, and the only way he'd be able to run is if a Tory resigns their seat and he can win it in a by-election, hold another leadership contest, and hope he gets elected in. Otherwise he'd only be able to run as party leader, at earliest, in 2034 - assuming the seat he competes for in 2029 doesn't just go to someone else.

Absolute Tory cockup if they put all their eggs in the Boris basket.
Please do.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Bring back Liz Truss.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Bring back Liz Truss.

I'd settle for the lettuce at this point.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I'd settle for the lettuce at this point.

Best Prime Minister we've had in a generation. My girl liz was dun dirty.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Best Prime Minister we've had in a generation. My girl liz was dun dirty.

The best Prime Minister we had in the past 50 years was also the one who did the least.
There's some salient commentary in there, though I struggle to put it to word.

 

[Crunkle]

that any DOMESTIC USER of their services that is found to be using tunneling and encryption from their point of service

AmneziaWG and other VPN protocols already employ ways of making tracking this near-impossible. I think they randomise the padding around each packet sent and received so it always has a different size and shape. So they just can't be identified as encrypted VPN comms.

The whole "IT IS BREAKING THE LAW!" stuff is probably going to scare off anyone under the age of 12, at least for a little while until they need a VPN to be able to watch Goyslop 7: The Return on Disney Xtra Pro Plus+.

These people really don't understand how the human mind works. If you start spying on people more and making your presence even more well-known in their day-to-day lives (e.g. taxes on fags went up, taxes on booze went up, can't drive your usual way home because it's ULEZ and now you'll get charged £12 for a 10 minute trip in your old diesel car that you can't afford to upgrade because wages have flatlined and you're putting back as much money for a shitty deposit that you could only hope to achieve after saving for 10 years), of course they'll see nothing wrong with using a VPN.

 

[Le b0wski]

If it's packaged the right way in an app that becomes popular the average person won't know/care they are using a VPN at all as "it's just the poobum app innit, don't know how it works I just scroll on it and get likes". Only reason apps don't include VPNs more is that it costs more to have extra servers to bounce traffic between and they usually want to harvest data for Russia instead.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The whole "IT IS BREAKING THE LAW!" stuff is probably going to scare off anyone under the age of 12, at least for a little while until they need a VPN to be able to watch Goyslop 7: The Return on Disney Xtra Pro Plus+.

Ultimately that's all that needs to be done, you get rid of all the soft targets by assuming we have a police force that is staffed enough to deal with a brand new type of crime and bingo, you've cut out a segment of piracy without even lifting a finger.

Kinda like how the drugs talk at school is retarded but it helps to spook the soft targets so all that are left are those who wouldn't give a fuck about VPNs. I mean lets face it, 90% of the people using VPNs use it for illicit means like torrenting so already know they're breaking one law, breaking another isn't going to stop THEM but it might stop Jonty (13 ans) who wants to download the Minecraft movie.

 

[Mound Dweller]

"Free Palestine but also what happened on October 7th was an atrocity, my thoughts are with those poor victims and I hope the hostages are released" or "Israel has a right to defend herself but they are going too far and they should not ethnically cleanse Gaza, my thoughts are with those poor people and I hope the conflict comes to an end"

It is beyond satisfying to "I don't care" these people, the brown ones/small hat wearers both, the rage turns to sheer confusion; how can you NOT care about muh starving childrens/the Jewish people? "I don't care about Levantine blood feuds and neither should you", really gets the gears turning; they have no response to this that isn't an outright admission of treason/concession that they have outright split loyalties. Most thunk provoking backslap I've gotten is "Gaza is first ((they'll)) be coming for ingerlund next" from some pasty student lickspittle which was hard to listen to with a straight face.

Kinda like how the drugs talk at school is retarded but it helps to spook the soft targets so all that are left are those who wouldn't give a fuck about VPNs. I mean lets face it, 90% of the people using VPNs use it for illicit means like torrenting so already know they're breaking one law, breaking another isn't going to stop THEM but it might stop Jonty (13 ans) who wants to download the Minecraft movie.

Side topic but kids these days huff balloons and boof lithium through knockoff vape pens; drugs won, I don't loike narcotics but society needs to get over it already and stop enabling criminality by prohibiting shit there will always be a legitimate market for. This isn't some CSAM scenario where you can just line them up and shoot them and we're all better off for it; too many people are chemically dependent, it's a simple facet of civilisation and it is folly to pretend otherwise.

 

[Crunkle]

the rage turns to sheer confusion; how can you NOT care about muh starving childrens/the Jewish people?

Social media has been a plague on society. Almost everyone feels they need to be on one side of a debate about everything.

There's two types of not caring:
1) the apathetic working class bloke:
"my parents voted Labour and their parents did too. If enough of us vote for Boris he wins the popular vote"
"they're all as bad as each other"
"first time I voted Tory was Boris"

2) The malicious not caring
"Oh yeah I love Hamas, fucking delicious even though I don't like chickpeas on their own"
"Did you hear about the Early life meme? Haha yeah, it's so silly...give me a name. Oh... . Give me another."
"Don't mind if more of the Turkish come here, they make the best food out of all the coloureds"

 

[Mound Dweller]

Social media has been a plague on society. Almost everyone feels they need to be on one side of a debate about everything.

There's two types of not caring:

Ehhh those types aren't so much legitimate not caring so much as they simply lack the emotional capacity to care about caring enough to choose not caring.
I'm type 3: Semitic blood feuds should not be having such an influence on Western European domestic affairs, yet they do, this is the real issue here.
Israel should still win though because it would be funnier, unless the gazoids wanna win for a change and actually pull off the "into the sea" meme because that would also be funny.
You can even get away with this opinion in public; pisses off everyone but nobody wants to be the first to scold you and look the most woggish.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

I just find the Israel-Palestine thing so funny in a way, it's another thing that's been unboxed after being such a social minefield like immigration. For ages politicians kept giving non-answers about Israel-Palestine because they knew they'd anger half their voterbase no matter what happened... but now just like immigration MPs are being voted on based on their policies so they're caught with the hilarious no win situation where they either continue to not say anything (and compliance is violence right?) or DO say something and risk getting booted out of the party over it.

The entire political spectrum feels like its getting reamed at both ends right now, all the anger for the past 25+ years has just came to a head at the worst possible time and honestly I don't know where we go from here.

I absolutely guarantee the next social whoopsie that gets unboxed is the death penalty. Once someone wins an election based on it then it's all over.