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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Otterly said:
You don’t even need to go that far back. As a younger woman I had a housemate from Sarajevo. She was very matter of fact about it, but hearing her stories was an eye opener. People who had more or less just gotten on as neighbours killing each other. People rounded up and put in jails and camps where terrible things happened.
Also Rwanda. Well within living memory.
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I am aware people think I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic but I don't care: the government does not need to know what religion you are. It just fucking does not need that information. It certainly does not need it in a non-anonymised form with address helpfully attached.

Like you say, the fact you don't even need to go back to the Holocaust only makes it fucking worse: this has happened multiple times, on a vast scale, in living memory.

Fuck that.
 
isalaide said:
I am aware people think I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic but I don't care: the government does not need to know what religion you are. It just fucking does not need that information.
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Counter-argument: I'm glad they do collect that, because it forces them to be at least semi-honest when it comes to how Islamic the UK is becoming. A genocide of some sort in Britain is a remote possibility, the growing influence of the Religion of Peace a real one.
 
isalaide said:
I am aware people think I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic but I don't care: the government does not need to know what religion you are. It just fucking does not need that information. It certainly does not need it in a non-anonymised form with address helpfully attached.

Like you say, the fact you don't even need to go back to the Holocaust only makes it fucking worse: this has happened multiple times, on a vast scale, in living memory.

Fuck that.
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But muh bureaucracy!
Just to play devils advocate there's plenty of little excuses for why they want to consume your information and they're in the name of efficiency, it's so that you're ever more malleable as part of the machine which may or may not include wooden shower doors depending on your flavour of regime. To the state you are a resource and you must be catalogued in order to be used.
I don't think they'll be brapping our lungs this generation at least but "citizen profiles" have totally been a thing for a while now wouldn't surprise me if the threat matrix slaps you with a +10 to black van placement for being Jedi.
 
isalaide said:
I am aware people think I'm a few sandwiches short of a picnic but I don't care: the government does not need to know what religion you are. It just fucking does not need that information. It certainly does not need it in a non-anonymised form with address helpfully attached.

Like you say, the fact you don't even need to go back to the Holocaust only makes it fucking worse: this has happened multiple times, on a vast scale, in living memory.

Fuck that.
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The Volyn massacres are usually the first example that comes to mind of such things for me. These took place in Poland (modern day) where Ukranian nationalists murdered Poles by the thousands including women and children and babies. Often people who had grown up living alongside them.

There was a movie about it. Which is banned by Zelensky's govt., incidentally.
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I remember one death in the movie that seemed especially over the top and maybe not even realistic - only to learn after watching the movie that it was a real historical incident. (A man is pulled apart by horses).

It is terrifying how people can be taught an identity and then that identity used to turn them on another person.
 
Overly Serious said:
I remember one death in the movie that seemed especially over the top and maybe not even realistic - only to learn after watching the movie that it was a real historical incident. (A man is pulled apart by horses).
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This is the "quartering" part of "hanged, drawn and quartered." Or at least one way they carried out that part of the classical punishment.
 
Looks like MPs and the media are starting to dig into Reeves' CV lies. Rayner tried to deflect like the useless gobshite she is, but it looks like this one has legs.

Favourite part:
The questions continued after PMQ, as reporters sought to put the prime minister's official spokeswoman on the spot.

Asked if Sir Keir expected ministers to tell the truth on their CVs, she said the row “relates to the chancellor’s time before she was the chancellor”.
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Real "unburdened by what has been" energy there.
 
she said the row “relates to the chancellor’s time before she was the chancellor”
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Those actions are how she was able to get the jobs she had and position she had now.

It quite litterally has everything to do with now.

To say nothing of the fact that if this came out about anyone else Labour would be demanding they be fired and calling them unfit to hold the position.
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Looks like MPs and the media are starting to dig into Reeves' CV lies. Rayner tried to deflect like the useless gobshite she is, but it looks like this one has legs.
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Likely because it can’t be defended in all the normal ways. She can’t day they are doing this because they secretly hate women. etc

Not to mention it calls into question every other member of Kier’s cabinet.
 
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Special spoonie said:
So Starmer wants to fan the flames in Ukraine-Russia sending extra weapons and cash to Ukraine but cut our own defence budgets. Whilst I’m not believing we are in immediate doom, does anything about this current Labour government make sense?

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-sc...to-save-money-despite-threats-abroad-13257285
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this doesn't bode well for our military, thats for sure. we're not prepared for any sort of war or offensive at all, we barely have enough soldiers in order to keep our own shit going - we've had to retire two ships in the navy due to lack of recruitment. one of the main points regarding his election was to increase mil. budget to around 2/3% of the total gdp if i recall correctly.

instead of getting fucking involved in ukraine more than our means allow, we should be actually giving a shit about our own military and the state it's in. its a fucking mess.
 
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-defence-cuts-outlined-and-explained/

TLDR The government is scrapping 2 amphibious assault ships, a Type 23 frigate and 2 Wave Class tankers , 14 Chinooks and the Watchkeeper Mk1 drones. Pretty depressing and concerning all around, especially with the war in Ukraine and any future conflict with China on the horizon but there's potentially more to this story. The frigate has structural issues and the Chinooks are pretty old. The drones are out dated and the RFA doesn't have the man power to crew the tankers. The really tragedy is the assault ships.

Replacing old equipment with newer more capable systems is always going to be the ideal way to go but that's very expensive and it can be tempting to just keep the old stuff around. The problem with that is that you can find yourself in a money trap as the maintenance eat into your new procurement budget. So it isn't as bad as it might seem but the system requires new procurement for it to work without loss of capability.

And so to the elephant in the room, Labour isn't going to spend dick on replacing the shit they are scrapping. This is just another austerity programme and it's coming at the worst time possible. I understand the public finances are fucked but this isn't going to save the money needed to fix the broken economy. Like everything else Labour is doing, it's just a smoke screen to disguise doing nothing as a fix to the problems the country is facing.
 
Reminder: Liz Truss and Kami Kwaze were sacked for less. The economy is in the shitter, inflation is up, the banks are fucked and no-one has faith in Britain. Yet, Farmer harmer starmer, Reeves and Rayner remain in power.

Funny that.
 
missnaptime said:
this doesn't bode well for our military, thats for sure. we're not prepared for any sort of war or offensive at all, we barely have enough soldiers in order to keep our own shit going - we've had to retire two ships in the navy due to lack of recruitment. one of the main points regarding his election was to increase mil. budget to around 2/3% of the total gdp if i recall correctly.

instead of getting fucking involved in ukraine more than our means allow, we should be actually giving a shit about our own military and the state it's in. its a fucking mess.
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Ah but did you consider that sending money to Ukraine allows Keir to strut around on the international stage like a big shot. Actually having a strong conventional army wouldn't give him that opportunity.
 

‘Who is going to pay for it?’

And she wonders why he got mad very quickly. If she was not a retard she’d know the answer.

‘Where did you get the 96% percent?’

I don’t know, he knows the majority of farmers in the country? And knows how much most farmers make?

The entire first series of his show was all about the fact that the only way his farm could tank the cost was he was making a show out of it. It wasn’t because it was making him endless money.

Sure he might have bought it to avoid tax but he’s clearly grown to like it and care.
 
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The economy is basically the housing market and the trillions in dirty money that flows through London every day. With the attacks on farmers we move one step closer to just admitting that the UK isn't really a country, it's a massive scam. Hopefully the Labourites figure out how to eat air soon.
 
Again, the UK imports 40% of its food. The main farming products we have are mostly animals, the top two products are beef and milk. Then chicken, then pork, then wheat at fifth spot. And we still import £425.7 million's worth of beef from Ireland every year anyway. This is not about food. Actually go to the supermarket and look at the vegetables and see where the location is, it's not the UK or even close by. Hasn't Otterly posted her thing about the numbers on an apple sticker label enough times yet and the chemicals that are used to preserve fruit from the other side of the world?

This is not about food. This is about land values being used to avoid tax because yes, the country is one big financial scam involving either land or property, but the answer is not keep calm and carry on. It won't stop being a financial scam unless something actually changes. I don't particularly like Keir Starmer but this is a blatant attempt to undermine Labour so that the overton window in this country can't go back left to centre the way that it was pushed right over the last 14 years by the same people who are now pretending they care about farmers. Again, Clarkson has had the ear of Queen Camilla for at least a decade, but he only has a problem now, four months into a labour government, not in the 14 years before that? Not even 150 days yet?

There are around 209,000 farms in the UK. These changes will at most affect 462 of them, aka 0.2%, it's actually more like 117 as determined by the treasury. That's 0.05%. The bigger number (70 thousand) that keeps being circulated comes from the Country Land and Business Association, aka a lobby group for these rich guys' interests. Since when does the top 1% (not even) of any industry act in the best interests of the rest of that industry? Is Jeff Bezos and Amazon famously known for its workers' rights policy?

This is not farmers, this is rich tax-avoiding dickheads like Clarkson and James Dyson. The tax is for 20% of total inheritance and under it James Dyson might be taxed £120 million, he owns at least 36,000 acres worth 600 million. And he's the dickhead that told everyone to vote Brexit then moved his global headquarters to Singapore straight after, again for tax reasons. But sure, this time it's not about tax and it's about cultural and nationalistic integrity and supporting the working farmer. My fucking foot.

Where does the 500 figure come from?​

It comes from the Treasury, which says it expects 500 estates to be affected by the changes each year.
There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC):
  • 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m
  • 80 at £2.5m to £5m
  • 37 above £5m
Under the new rules, those 462 farms would be affected by the 20% inheritance tax on any value above £1m (not on the whole value). The normal rate of inheritance tax is 40%.
However, as Dan Neidle - founder of the independent Tax Policy Associates - points out, like for the rest of the population, there is no inheritance tax to be paid on the value of property up to £325,000, bringing the untaxed total to £1.325m.
If a farmer is married, his or her spouse would be able to pass on another £1.325m tax free, taking the total untaxed amount to £2.65m.
There were 117 farms valued above £2.5m in 2021-22, according to the HMRC figures.
In addition, there is a £175,000 tax-free allowance on a main residence when it is being passed on to children or grandchildren. This brings the total untaxed amount for a farming couple to up to £3m.
Paul Johnson, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), an independent economy think-tank, told Sky News: "The changes will affect a remarkably small number of some of the most valuable farms."
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Sir James Dyson, the billionaire inventor of high-tech vacuum cleaners, has become an outspoken critic in recent weeks of Britain’s plan to reintroduce inheritance tax for farms. He should know: his farming empire alone could result in about £122mn in death duties. The entrepreneur — who sparked controversy by supporting Brexit then moving his eponymous technology company’s headquarters from Wiltshire to low-tax Singapore in 2019 — has developed one of the UK’s largest farming businesses, owning some of the country’s most productive agricultural areas. The 77-year-old tycoon — who says he has a mission to “protect and nurture” British farmland — has been able to expand his agricultural business over the past decade free of the threat of death duties. The company says it has invested a total of £140mn to upgrade its farms. Dyson Farming owns at least 36,000 acres, the group says, across Lincolnshire, Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Somerset. It recorded profits of £5.2mn in 2023, up 10 per cent from the previous year, according to the company’s accounts. The group is now one of the top five UK producers of wheat grains, malting barley, oil seeds, peas and potatoes.
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WEEKEND said:
So it isn't as bad as it might seem but the system requires new procurement for it to work without loss of capability.
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Procurement is the stickler for sure. Military procurement is notoriously inefficient and wasteful. I doubt there is any kind of easy fix for that on the horizon.
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Sure he might have bought it to avoid tax but he’s clearly grown to like it and care.
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I haven't had time to look at the details for this inheritance tax proposal but I'm generally in favour of closing tax loopholes. The fine print needs to be read through.
 
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Also, the protest is described as 'thousands' of farmers, with a more specific number of 1,800 farmers from the National Farmers Union turned up as part of a mass lobby group with MPs beforehand. As of June 1st this year there are 285 thousand people working on agricultural holdings, so that's 0.69% of the people who could have turned up who did turn up. Do you think they're more likely to be like James Dyson or more likely to be farmhands? Even if 8000+ more people turned out for the actual protest and they hit 9,999 thousand (vs tens of thousands being present at the protests, which there aren't for now) that would still be 3.8% of the people that they're supposedly representing. Why aren't there more people if all the tenant farmers are just as badly hit by this?


Jeremy Clarkson isn't doing diddly squat except being self serving.

Also doing anything about the military or military recruitment is pointless until they get rid of capita private recruitment/providers and who knows what kind of contract they're locked into there. How is it the tories got to go: last labour government!!! for 14 years but Keir Starmer is immediately responsible for how bad everything is, right now, four months in. I'd really like to hear how all the people here built themselves a house, got themselves a mortgage, got a new job and beat cancer in the last four months seeing as they're clearly so talented.
 
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AnOminous said:
This is the "quartering" part of "hanged, drawn and quartered." Or at least one way they carried out that part of the classical punishment.
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I never saw the movie but I remember that quartering has historically been a practice of killing someone you REALLY didn't like. Supposedly Mussolini suffered the same fate.
 
InteracialBowelSyndrome said:
I never saw the movie but I remember that quartering has historically been a practice of killing someone you REALLY didn't like. Supposedly Mussolini suffered the same fate.
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No, Mussolini was shot by a Communist. *HOW EMBARRASSING*

His corpse was later hanged upside down to be mocked and abused by mobs.

Europeans like to act like Americans are some kind of savages but this kind of shit is vintage Europe shit.
 
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