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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Art supplies, maps (there used to be an amazing map shop in Bristol, don’t know if there still is) etc. A shop that just sells pens. Tha sort of thing. Run by people who LOVE the thing. It is really sad that they are mainly gone now

Shrewsbury is lovely for that kinda thing, pen shops, jewellery, cafes.

 

[Otterly]

Quorn is alright I think

I haven’t eaten any for years. I seem to remember their sausages were bearable and I’d be open to being fed some if I was being cooked for by a vegetarian.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I only became a racist in my early 20's. I grew up in a mixed race pit unfortunately.

"I've had my fill of paki slags and now I want rid of them".

Pretty much this. There's a "Vegan" restaurant I know and it's dreadful. I mean, I've never eaten there but I can tell how bad it is just from the menu. It's nothing but meat dishes with soy/fake meat substitutes thrown in.

If you haven't tried it how do you know?

I haven’t eaten any for years. I seem to remember their sausages were bearable and I’d be open to being fed some if I was being cooked for by a vegetarian.

Sausages aren't quite sausages but they'll do in a pinch. Chicken fillets/pieces are good for stews or curry style dishes. They're mushroom based so absorb flavour really well. Never my first choice but if you're cooking for a veggie mate or going round their house you can get a decent curry out of them.

Beans on toast isn't a vegetarian dish. It's lazy food that tastes brilliant.

 

[Overly Serious]

If you haven't tried it how do you know?

If you were able to hold more than two sentences in your head at once, you'd know because I immediately go on to say how I know right after. Taking a meat dish, swapping out the meat with ultra-processed garbage fake, leads to a bad dish. Same with the dairy substitutes. You can't take a plate of nachos, replace the cheese with ultra-processed soy with food die and coconut oil and think it's the same thing.

Muppet.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

If you were able to hold more than two sentences in your head at once, you'd know because I immediately go on to say how I know right after. Taking a meat dish, swapping out the meat with ultra-processed garbage fake, leads to a bad dish. Same with the dairy substitutes. You can't take a plate of nachos, replace the cheese with ultra-processed soy with food die and coconut oil and think it's the same thing.

Muppet.

The post up there now and the post I quoted are different. You had a point about jumping off a bridge then changed it to calling me a hate crime word. The M word if you will.

I know what jumping off a bridge is like because I'm not retarded. It's going to hurt.

I also know that some dishes aren't bad with alternative meats. I've had some very nice vegetarian dishes using fake meat. I don't assume switching out the meat for fake meat is all a place does to make it taste good. If I'm cooking for a veggie I will change my recipe ratios and add different spices to compensate. There are herb mixes you can get in the shop designed for different meats. Adding a lamb herb mix goes a long way to compensating for not using actual lamb. I think it's rosemary and thyme in it but it does give you a sense of eating lamb. You can also put the sage herb mixes onto quorn sausages to get more inline with a proper sausage not just mass produced meat tubes you get in tesco for cheap.

Is your example really nachos? An American food that has nothing to do with our great island. That we don't fucking eat and never would eat? The same food infamous for it's low quality fake cheese, so bad even Kiwi Farm Admins won't swallow it down? Crazy example to be using when trying to defend real and fake food.

 

[The Green Man]

Can Royal Mail die? I've been waiting on a package. 48 hour delivery. Stuck in London for two days. Meant to be delivered today. Nothing. Can it just be killed? It's fucking useless.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

"I've had my fill of paki slags and now I want rid of them".

I dated two girls when I was 15; met their psycho dads and never went near those people since, I'm hardly Roger Ebert.

RE: The Quorn question. It's fine as a filler for meat dishes where the meat itself isn't super important.

I'm not quite ready to jump ship but I sometimes have similar thoughts. In fact, I've come close to exploring them. Combine that with the UK government's general approach to freedom, it's crossed my mind. We are not business friendly in this country. There are some areas of business that are doing alright - we still have an IT sector with some life in it. But if everything else in the ecosystem is dying around it, that'll bring even this down as well.

The UK isn't just not business friendly, they aren't friendly to any form of real stability in general. It's a parasite system, it exists purely to maintain these decrepit; ancient systems and decrepit ancient people at the same time. My wages are garnished to feed an unending tide of third world retards, and also to cover up for the unending fuckups of the previous generations. The burden of it grows every single day and it seems that most people don't seem to understand what a genuinely raw deal we're getting. It's just constant, relentless theft of the future to sacrifice it.

I think a lot of people don't like, or refuse to acknowledge the reality that we're burning up our future and our childrens future and our grandchildrens future. Sacrificing them - sometimes literally in the case of the amount of abortions we now have yearly - for...what? What the fuck am I getting out of this? I keep circling back to this question and have been for a while. What am I getting out of this deal? I can afford rent and bills and still have some cash left over at the end of the month, but not apparently enough for a bank to give me a loan. Even if they did, what am I buying into the land of the UK for? I live down souf, and down souf is completely fucked. It's getting flooded every single year, year after year.

I keep returning to the conclusion that my options are to do fedpost things, or to just leave. I encountered parts of the system and went "Huh, this seems weird" a decade ago and have gotten more radical every single year, but the average man on the street seems to be a delusional retard. I have no confidence that anything is going to change. I genuinely think someone needs to do something, but whenever I think about it, I just end up in this doom spiral where I ask why you'd bother? The average brit is a fucking moron that thinks - if they think at all! - that the solution is to return to 2005. I just want something to happen. I'm in a constant state of edge of my seat flight or fight here. I can't properly plan for the future, I can't properly settle, the floor is lava and it's like I - and a few others obviously - am the only one who has noticed and when I point out that the lava is now reaching the edge of the fucking sofa, they act like I'm crazy.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I keep returning to the conclusion that my options are to do fedpost things, or to just leave.

Ask one of your Ex girlfriends on tips for vest making..

the average man on the street seems to be a delusional retard. I have no confidence that anything is going to change.

The average man on the street is not delusional nor retarded. He can see the same problems as you or I but doesn't see a way to solve it. He is the spitting image of you and you think he's retarded because he hasn't acted yet. But you haven't acted yet either. And neither of you talk to each other and ask what the other thinks. You all stay quiet because you don't want a knock on the door at 6am.

You think everyone else is worse than you. And so does everyone else. But when you talk to those people they're all in the same boat. Everyone is waiting for someone else to act and trying to keep off the radar. When if they all spoke up (and stopped hanging out with fucking pakis) there would be a revolution over night.

"so basically we are going to import hundreds of millions of foreigners from every country in the world and if you don't like it the onus is on you to decide which other ruined irrelevant shithole to move to and integrate into"

or how about we just don't ruin the United States? Why is it my job to leave my home, the only home I have and will ever have?

we should also deport and denaturalize people who support unlimited immigration.

Recommended post by the cheese hater while I was browsing for a more racist thread. Sums up how I feel about moving to another country. I don't want to invade someone else's homeland. I want my homeland.

 

[Overly Serious]

The post up there now and the post I quoted are different. You had a point about jumping off a bridge then changed it to calling me a hate crime word. The M word if you will.

Yes. I originally typed that 'how would you know jumping off a cliff is bad if you haven't done it?' but then decided it was just belabouring a point that never needed explaining in the first place and the thread was shitted up enough with it. So I made my post shorter. But now you're making the conversation even longer because of it. The point I made was simple and pretty clear. Swapping the meat in a dish that has meat as a focus with a crappy fake variant leads to a bad dish. Is this really something that needs contesting?

I also know that some dishes aren't bad with alternative meats. I've had some very nice vegetarian dishes using fake meat. I don't assume switching out the meat for fake meat is all a place does to make it taste good.

Right. And I said that just swapping things over was what the restaurant was doing. Every crappy meal on their crappy menu was exactly this with no thought to re-balancing anything or re-thinking the dish as a whole. You just want to argue.

Is your example really nachos?

Yes. That was one of their dishes. Nachos with some ultra processed vegan "cheese" poured over it. Why do you find it so hard to believe that something I criticise might actually be worth criticising?

An American food that has nothing to do with our great island.

And here we go - the usual @Kofi Drinka algorithm of say something and then wrap it up and lots of "I'm so British and I'm so racist" for acceptance points. No wonder people think you're a Glowie.

That we don't fucking eat and never would eat?

If you actually lived in Britain you would know that quite a lot of our restaurants happen to serve Nachos. Who the fuck is "we"?

Crazy example to be using when trying to defend real and fake food.

Example is fine.

I know what jumping off a bridge is like because I'm not retarded. It's going to hurt.

Hopefully.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Right. And I said that just swapping things over was what the restaurant was doing. Every crappy meal on their crappy menu was exactly this with no thought to re-balancing anything or re-thinking the dish as a whole. You just want to argue.

I want people to actually try things before they comment on the quality of them. If it's a veggie place they won't be serving the exact same recipe switching 1 ingredient. That's not how this works. I told you how basic changes to herbs to compensate makes a huge difference to how a dish tastes.

If you actually lived in Britain you would know that quite a lot of our restaurants happen to serve Nachos. Who the fuck is "we"?

I bloody well do not think so. I don't know what trashy places you eat but nachos are not a common food item on any of the menus I have seen. What kind of metrosexual Greggs filled life style do you live? No where civilized serves American cheese slop over doritos.

I am a glowie.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Ask one of your Ex girlfriends on tips for vest making..

Nah, they were shit at chemistry.

The average man on the street is not delusional nor retarded. He can see the same problems as you or I but doesn't see a way to solve it. He is the spitting image of you and you think he's retarded because he hasn't acted yet. But you haven't acted yet either. And neither of you talk to each other and ask what the other thinks. You all stay quiet because you don't want a knock on the door at 6am.

You think everyone else is worse than you. And so does everyone else. But when you talk to those people they're all in the same boat. Everyone is waiting for someone else to act and trying to keep off the radar. When if they all spoke up (and stopped hanging out with fucking pakis) there would be a revolution over night.

I'd like to think that. I'd like to think that there's some groundswell of hidden racists. My own mother who's a former labour voter has become very racist in the last few years, so if she can I'd hope anyone can. I did ground pounding for the usual right wing suspects before they collapsed into doing gang bangs in the woods and selling peoples data to hope not hate; and there was a very visceral "RACISM BAD!!!" Reaction back then; but that was about 6ish years ago. So maybe people have gotten better? Maybe I'm just assuming that people are the same as they were back then; and haven't changed as things have gotten worse?

I'm probably just doomering because I'm pissed off, again, but ho-hum.

If you actually lived in Britain you would know that quite a lot of our restaurants happen to serve Nachos. Who the fuck is "we"?

Nachos are wank. Most American food is tbh.
EDIT: I am a bit of a food snob, and the British food, is unironically some of the best. Put aside the brainwashing of 'hurrr durrrr british food is beans' bullshit. American food is just slop on a bin lid. The French food is okay, but German food? The only reason Americans think British food is bad is because they can't speak Kraut. OOOhhhh who vants raw pork on das rye bread? It comes with raw onion slice ja! Soooo tasty!

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

I'm in a constant state of edge of my seat flight or fight here. I can't properly plan for the future, I can't properly settle, the floor is lava and it's like I - and a few others obviously - am the only one who has noticed and when I point out that the lava is now reaching the edge of the fucking sofa, they act like I'm crazy.

Shit or get off the pot.

By which I mean make a decision or you’ll just go insane.

I look forward to the day I tell a neighbour who has benefited massively from corruption within the nhs and always votes Labour that I’m selling the house to serco.

 

[Overly Serious]

The UK isn't just not business friendly, they aren't friendly to any form of real stability in general. It's a parasite system, it exists purely to maintain these decrepit; ancient systems and decrepit ancient people at the same time. My wages are garnished to feed an unending tide of third world retards, and also to cover up for the unending fuckups of the previous generations. The burden of it grows every single day and it seems that most people don't seem to understand what a genuinely raw deal we're getting. It's just constant, relentless theft of the future to sacrifice it.

Same. A couple of specific examples that come to mind that I could use when talking about this... Inheritance tax for one. We're in I think the top eight rates of inheritance tax in the world. Most countries don't even have it and those that do it is usually much, much lower than ours. Another example would be the sheer cost of things. Energy and other utilities for one. Burgers love to ask why we don't have Air Conditioning. Well there are a few reasons it's never become quite as standard here as in the USA (not least that I and many others don't actually like it and for the most part our climate doesn't need it) but a significant reason is also just our energy costs. I explained in the Burger thread with numbers once how much it would cost to run here and raised a few eyebrows. And it's not just the utilities. So many goods just have their prices racked up for the British market and people don't know enough to not buy it.

Then there's the bureaucracy. You know one of the reasons Putin was popular in Russia, I heard? Because when he came to power he took one look at the Soviet tax monstrosity and like Alexander and the Gordian Knot, just slashed the whole thing apart and said "you can pay a company tax or a personal tax, the rates are X% and Y% and once the money is taxed that's it." I'm simplifying a bit but compared to Bongland it's the simplest thing. Can you imagine that? Former soviet states have less bureaucracy in many areas than we do. I don't know why that should be surprising really, we have become a soviet state.

I think a lot of people don't like, or refuse to acknowledge the reality that we're burning up our future and our childrens future and our grandchildrens future. Sacrificing them - sometimes literally in the case of the amount of abortions we now have yearly - for...what? What the fuck am I getting out of this? I keep circling back to this question and have been for a while. What am I getting out of this deal? I can afford rent and bills and still have some cash left over at the end of the month, but not apparently enough for a bank to give me a loan. Even if they did, what am I buying into the land of the UK for? I live down souf, and down souf is completely fucked. It's getting flooded every single year, year after year.

Yes. We're like an elderly person selling off all the family silver, the house, everything. It's buying us time but it's not sustainable. It's a short-term thing but the government doesn't acknowledge that. We're mortgaging the entire fucking country.

I keep returning to the conclusion that my options are to do fedpost things, or to just leave. I encountered parts of the system and went "Huh, this seems weird" a decade ago and have gotten more radical every single year, but the average man on the street seems to be a delusional retard. I have no confidence that anything is going to change. I genuinely think someone needs to do something, but whenever I think about it, I just end up in this doom spiral where I ask why you'd bother? The average brit is a fucking moron that thinks - if they think at all! - that the solution is to return to 2005. I just want something to happen. I'm in a constant state of edge of my seat flight or fight here. I can't properly plan for the future, I can't properly settle, the floor is lava and it's like I - and a few others obviously - am the only one who has noticed and when I point out that the lava is now reaching the edge of the fucking sofa, they act like I'm crazy.

And this is one of the most enabling aspects of all the problems. You just can't get enough people angry and organised about it. They just plod on.

British people are like coal. If you can actually get them to light then they burn very hot and very long and are very hard to put out. But actually getting them going is really hard. Whereas your Mediterranean types are more like firewood. They get going quicker but it also tends to go out quicker. And some other nations (I wont call any out specifically) are more like kindling. Poof - violence. Then done. Then repeat.

I like the British coolness but sometimes I could wish it were a little more quick to anger when needed.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I'd like to think that. I'd like to think that there's some groundswell of hidden racists. My own mother who's a former labour voter has become very racist in the last few years, so if she can I'd hope anyone can. I did ground pounding for the usual right wing suspects before they collapsed into doing gang bangs in the woods and selling peoples data to hope not hate; and there was a very visceral "RACISM BAD!!!" Reaction back then; but that was about 6ish years ago. So maybe people have gotten better? Maybe I'm just assuming that people are the same as they were back then; and haven't changed as things have gotten worse?

They're not "hidden racists". They're average people who don't like outsiders and the propaganda is in place to cover up that the majority feel that way. Maybe it's because I don't live in a city so I'm not as gay as some of you are that I see this. I talk to my neighbours, I talk to blokes at the pub. Every where I've lived and many places I've visited has the same opinion. The lefty virtue signalling in the media is not reality. Women are SCARED and trying to comfort each other of how the rapey invaders giving them the rape stare isn't actually a problem. The men want to kick their teeth in and send them back home but don't want to go to prison making no impact on the situation. The public are desperate and want a solution but none of them have the power alone to solve it.

Despite what some twat's propaganda arm might say. Reform is "We are racist and we want them gone" at it's core support. Brexit was the same thing. It's a polite way for the general public to be racist because they all think "no one else is as racist as I am. I bet they love the foreigners".

You're not alone. You're not the only one wanting something done. Others don't speak up the same way you don't speak up.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The quorn 'chicken' pieces they do aren't that bad, I used to switch out chicken for it ages back whenever I fancied a change to my curries but stopped when I realised in terms of protein content, chicken was always going to top it.

Protein is essential for muscle growth, muscle replenishment and helps regulate tons of other things indirectly like brain activity, heart health etc. Every vegan I know is either skinnyfat or stick thin, and it's always sad to see them at the gym trying their hardest and getting absolutely smoked by overweight Baz, 49 who pops in hungover as fuck and easily outperforms most gym rats with no preworkout or warm up sets.

 

[FedPostalService]

Can Royal Mail die? I've been waiting on a package. 48 hour delivery. Stuck in London for two days. Meant to be delivered today. Nothing. Can it just be killed? It's fucking useless.

Your package has been stolen by a Nigerian temp at the sorting centre.

Get in touch with who you placed the order with and get them to chase Royal Mail.

I have a problem with various delivery companies just leaving parcels inside the entry of my block of flats.

It’s a nice area, but because it’s a nice area people will try the entry door and if one of my retarded neighbours leave it on the latch then those parcels are free to take. Plus we think other delivery drivers have robbed parcels left there.

If something of value isn’t delivered to my front door now I just pick it up and say 24 hours later I didn’t receive it. Fuck these delivery companies and their lazy third world workers.

 

[Overly Serious]

I don't know what trashy places you eat but nachos are not a common food item on any of the menus I have seen.

Huh? I'm literally talking about a place I specifically said I didn't want to eat because it looked shit. The point is I don't eat there. But a few lines up you insist that I can't know it's shit if I haven't tried it. So how come you get to say their vegan cheese nachos are "trashy" but I'm not allowed to and have to eat them before I can say so?

Go eat some of your meat substitute dishes. You're getting hangry.

I am a glowie.

Mmm-hmmm.

 

[Otterly]

Living abroad is quite difficult. Don’t underestimate how different other cultures are, even ones that speak languages you understand. Ind t say this to be negative, but just be aware the grass isn’t always greener. Financially maybe, but happiness-wise, being an exile can be very lonely and isolating

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Huh? I'm literally talking about a place I specifically said I didn't want to eat because it looked shit. The point is I don't eat there. But a few lines up you insist that I can't know it's shit if I haven't tried it. So how come you get to say their vegan cheese nachos are "trashy" but I'm not allowed to and have to eat them before I can say so?

Go eat some of your meat substitute dishes. You're getting hangry.


Mmm-hmmm.

You say a place is switching meat for fake meat and that's all they're doing for their menu. What I'm saying is no place that does that would stay open. A quorn curry is not the same as a chicken curry. You have adapt it. So even if Quorn Chicken Curry and Chicken curry are on the menu it doesn't mean they're the same dish in all but 1 ingredient. You have to go to places and try the food.

All nachos are trashy. They're spic food adapted by stoners in the USA. Pile shit on a pack of crisps and then melt cheese over it.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Living abroad is quite difficult. Don’t underestimate how different other cultures are, even ones that speak languages you understand. Ind t say this to be negative, but just be aware the grass isn’t always greener. Financially maybe, but happiness-wise, being an exile can be very lonely and isolating

I lived in the US for a year, and yeah; it definitely is ha. The desire to leave the UK is purely economic. If I could afford to, I'd live down the street from my parents (thankfully not in Brum anymore). There's nowhere else I'd rather be.