UN Brazilian Election Megathread - Bolsonaro Wins HUEHUEHUEHUE

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Bolsonaro wins

I figured I'd start this thread in a similar manner to the Swedish one, about a topic of considerable importance this weekend which we all forgot about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_general_election,_2018
General elections are scheduled to be held in Brazil on 7 October 2018 to elect the President, Vice President and the National Congress. Elections for state Governors and Vice Governors, state Legislative Assemblies and Federal District Legislative Chamber will be held at the same time.
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So, who do you think is going to win? Will @AN/ALR56 come back to life and educate us? Polls looks quite good for Bolsonaro as God-Emperor of the southern half of the New World.
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IAmNotAlpharius said:
In many of the border cities, they literally buy votes. This occurs because you have to vote as a Brazilian so long as you're literate and able bodied. Since many people in border towns are Brazilians or dual citizens, they have to vote. Due to the fact that they're often living outside of the country (barely), it's hard for the government to crack down on them. This occurs frequently in Pedro Juan Caballero which has a dry border with Brazil as well as Ciudad del Este which is an interesting city.
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LOL, you get fined about the equivalent of one U.S. Dollar for not voting. I wonder how much people sell their votes for?
 
So, now that it's guaranteed Bolsonaro is going to win, I guess we should start talking about him.
I'm going to be honest, I don't really like him as either a person or politician.

Whether or not you think he's literally Hitler or whatever, the man often refers to the dictatorship as the "Democratic Intervention of 1964", he responded to the attempts at identifying the remains in Araguaia by insulting those interested, he comes across as kind of a homophobe and misogynist (yes, I know those terms have been severely overused by the left as of late, but I think it's rather applicable here), and although I may be wrong (and if so I welcome someone to correct me), it seems like privatising the prisons is going to make a criminal system less interested in actually dealing with criminals by either execution or rehabilitation but more on keeping them around for the sake of profit.

Plus there's the slightly more out there things which likely won't happen but would still be pretty shitty, like more corrupt police death squads, an increase in politically motivated violence, rolling back civil liberties either for everyone or for minorities specifically, or the snowflake's chance in hell possibility of the military seizing government again.
I just don't like that he's an apologist for dictatorship in general (seriously, he supported Chavez back in 1999).

If something good can come of it, I guess he could crack down on crime, that's a huge issue that he seems somewhat capable of fixing, hopefully without killing too many bystanders.
Maybe the left will learn to take a slightly less communist turn in the next elections.
 
WillShitpostForFood said:
So, now that it's guaranteed Bolsonaro is going to win, I guess we should start talking about him.
I'm going to be honest, I don't really like him as either a person or politician.

Whether or not you think he's literally Hitler or whatever, the man often refers to the dictatorship as the "Democratic Intervention of 1964", he responded to the attempts at identifying the remains in Araguaia by insulting those interested, he comes across as kind of a homophobe and misogynist (yes, I know those terms have been severely overused by the left as of late, but I think it's rather applicable here), and although I may be wrong (and if so I welcome someone to correct me), it seems like privatising the prisons is going to make a criminal system less interested in actually dealing with criminals by either execution or rehabilitation but more on keeping them around for the sake of profit.

Plus there's the slightly more out there things which likely won't happen but would still be pretty shitty, like more corrupt police death squads, an increase in politically motivated violence, rolling back civil liberties either for everyone or for minorities specifically, or the snowflake's chance in hell possibility of the military seizing government again.
I just don't like that he's an apologist for dictatorship in general (seriously, he supported Chavez back in 1999).

If something good can come of it, I guess he could crack down on crime, that's a huge issue that he seems somewhat capable of fixing, hopefully without killing too many bystanders.
Maybe the left will learn to take a slightly less communist turn in the next elections.
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About the "Democratic Intervention of 1964", Just a little bit of history:
The Intervention of 1964 democratic or not happened most likely because at the time the president was "João Belchior Marques Goulart" aka "Jango", he was a populist president just like Lula was, he has some viewpoints that were kinda like the communist ones and they feared he would became a dictator, remember this is 1964 and WW2 had just ended and the fear of a communist Brazil was real (some latin-american coutries got Dictators unfortunately) now if you ask from people that actually lived on this time period (1964-1985) you'll find that quite a lot of people actually liked the military government, granted freedom of speech was not exaclty there but also did crime and violence, with heavily police patrol, military public education wich some schools are still today and the country was doing great at time, probabilly not as good as they claimed but still good, some people say that at the time there was heavy sensorship on media outlets and some people got "missing or torturated" because they didn't liked the government, this hovewer had very little evidence that actually happened and no one that I asked about known a single person that went missing or got tortured.


About him beeing "homophobe and misogynist":
This is the most persistant claim of the leftists here, one of the most common instances where he was "mysogynist" was back in 2014 when he told to "Maria do Rosário" a leftist politician that she didn't diserver being raped because she was too ugly (lol) so yeah, he didn't liked her apparently...
The other acusation of him beeing homophobic was becouse he was heavilly against the book "Aparelho Sexual e Cia" ( https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aparelho_Sexual_e_Cia. ) wich was going to be distributed to very young child and the book had some very questionable content specially for children, remember this was for young kids and not teenagers, the media called it the "Gay kit" (cringy, I know) and he was againt it so they called him a homophobe.

In a nutshell, I honesty think that right now there's no better choice, if he ONLY cracks down on crime than he would be a good president (yes, we came this far) and now thankfully if he wins and became a bad president, the people will took him down in no time (just like Dilma)
 
SomeRandomJosh said:
some people say that at the time there was heavy sensorship on media outlets and some people got "missing or torturated" because they didn't liked the government, this hovewer had very little evidence that actually happened
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There's a list of dead and missing people on the site of the National Commission of Truth (Comissão Nacional da Verdade) and there's also the site of Memories of the Dictatorship (Memórias da Ditadura) that is more for educational purpose.

Between missing people were not only students and journalists, but also guerilla, which the ex-president Dilma also took part of.

There is also the site Documentos Revelados with scanned documents of the time.

I also don't know any stories on my circle of missing or dead people. Probably because no one from my circle was or is involved into politics as far as I remember.
 
SomeRandomJosh said:
About the "Democratic Intervention of 1964", Just a little bit of history:
The Intervention of 1964 democratic or not happened most likely because at the time the president was "João Belchior Marques Goulart" aka "Jango", he was a populist president just like Lula was, he has some viewpoints that were kinda like the communist ones and they feared he would became a dictator, remember this is 1964 and WW2 had just ended and the fear of a communist Brazil was real (some latin-american coutries got Dictators unfortunately) now if you ask from people that actually lived on this time period (1964-1985) you'll find that quite a lot of people actually liked the military government, granted freedom of speech was not exaclty there but also did crime and violence, with heavily police patrol, military public education wich some schools are still today and the country was doing great at time, probabilly not as good as they claimed but still good, some people say that at the time there was heavy sensorship on media outlets and some people got "missing or torturated" because they didn't liked the government, this hovewer had very little evidence that actually happened and no one that I asked about known a single person that went missing or got tortured.


About him beeing "homophobe and misogynist":
This is the most persistant claim of the leftists here, one of the most common instances where he was "mysogynist" was back in 2014 when he told to "Maria do Rosário" a leftist politician that she didn't diserver being raped because she was too ugly (lol) so yeah, he didn't liked her apparently...
The other acusation of him beeing homophobic was becouse he was heavilly against the book "Aparelho Sexual e Cia" ( https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aparelho_Sexual_e_Cia. ) wich was going to be distributed to very young child and the book had some very questionable content specially for children, remember this was for young kids and not teenagers, the media called it the "Gay kit" (cringy, I know) and he was againt it so they called him a homophobe.

In a nutshell, I honesty think that right now there's no better choice, if he ONLY cracks down on crime than he would be a good president (yes, we came this far) and now thankfully if he wins and became a bad president, the people will took him down in no time (just like Dilma)
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Yeah, I have to agree with you on the bit about crime, a total lack of security seems to be Brazil's biggest problem right now, and the government needs to reassert itself as holding the monopoly on force.

After that, privatizing may take some weight off of the government's back, cutting down on spending will lower the deficit and since the state has already fucked the environment pretty hard, I guess giving the corporations a shot with some deregulation could be good for the economy.

I do like his opposition to Mercosul, since that has a tendency to screw most South American countries over for the benefit of foreign interests, and admitting that he doesn't know much about economics and is instead going to leave it to his cabin at least shows he's willing to let other people do the stuff he can't.

With all of that said, I wasn't talking about the "Kit Gay" when I said Bolsonaro is homophobic (in fact I thought it was an awful idea to try to teach children about sexuality at such a young age, and the actual content of the books was in very poor taste), I was thinking back to this particular quote from his interview on Playboy:
"Seria incapaz de amar um filho homossexual, preferia que ele morresse num acidente do que se me aparecesse com um bigodudo [...] não vou combater nem discriminar mas, se eu vir dois homens se beijando na rua, vou bater"
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For all the gringos, it's roughly:
"I could never love a homosexual son, I'd rather he die in an accident than show up to me with a mustachioed man [...] I'm not going to combat or discriminate but, if I see two men kissing on the street, I'll beat"
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Now, I admit I've always been a bit of leftie, but saying that he'd personally gaybash even though he doesn't let it get into his political career still sounds homophobic. Is there a context I'm missing here?
 
A lot of people are saying that Bolsonaro has a clear and easy victory, but this very well may not be the case.
The MSM and other influential groups will have 3 straight weeks to prop up haddad, while taking swings at Bolsonaro.
Not to mention that even if he wins, the Judiciary branch is stacked to the top with socialists who will do everything they can to oppose him.
 
WillShitpostForFood said:
Yeah, I have to agree with you on the bit about crime, a total lack of security seems to be Brazil's biggest problem right now, and the government needs to reassert itself as holding the monopoly on force.

After that, privatizing may take some weight off of the government's back, cutting down on spending will lower the deficit and since the state has already fucked the environment pretty hard, I guess giving the corporations a shot with some deregulation could be good for the economy.

I do like his opposition to Mercosul, since that has a tendency to screw most South American countries over for the benefit of foreign interests, and admitting that he doesn't know much about economics and is instead going to leave it to his cabin at least shows he's willing to let other people do the stuff he can't.

With all of that said, I wasn't talking about the "Kit Gay" when I said Bolsonaro is homophobic (in fact I thought it was an awful idea to try to teach children about sexuality at such a young age, and the actual content of the books was in very poor taste), I was thinking back to this particular quote from his interview on Playboy:


For all the gringos, it's roughly:


Now, I admit I've always been a bit of leftie, but saying that he'd personally gaybash even though he doesn't let it get into his political career still sounds homophobic. Is there a context I'm missing here?
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About the "Seria incapaz de amar um filho homossexual, preferia que ele morresse num acidente do que se me aparecesse com um bigodudo [...] não vou combater nem discriminar mas, se eu vir dois homens se beijando na rua, vou bater" I didn't known about this since now, I couldn't find a ton of info about it (a lof of questionable content actually) but even if this is true and he actually said that, he did not mentioned or proposed any "anti-lgbt" measurement until now, i've seen some politicians on the more extreme-side promissing to ban gay marriage and stuff like that but he seems more open-minded to this right now, he is focosing more on "real" problems like crime, unemployment and high taxes than literally killing every gay person like the media says
 
He doesn't have any policies or promises, he's spent the last month inside a hospital without talking. He is literally nothing, a big, fat fucking void of a human being.

His votes are anti-communism votes. It's incredibly easy to understand that. The few people who really like the massive piece of shit that is Bolsonaro are lolcows, but they are probably 1% of the total of his supporters.

He's going to win and 16 months later be impeached. that's the Brazillian tradition. I think we have just a dozen presidents who finished their terms.
 
Raging Capybara said:
He doesn't have any policies or promises, he's spent the last month inside a hospital without talking. He is literally nothing, a big, fat fucking void of a human being.

His votes are anti-communism votes. It's incredibly easy to understand that. The few people who really like the massive piece of shit that is Bolsonaro are lolcows, but they are probably 1% of the total of his supporters.

He's going to win and 16 months later be impeached. that's the Brazillian tradition. I think we have just a dozen presidents who finished their terms.
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This is the worst people have to say about him? That he hates fags and spent time in a hospital after getting stabbed? None of that is bad, no wonder he won.
 
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This is the worst people have to say about him? That he hates fags and spent time in a hospital after getting stabbed I? None of that is bad, no wonder he won.
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Most people who I talked to who support him essentially are just doing it for the sake of ensuring the country is secure, saying that even if he brings back the military dictatorship at least the country will be safe, which sort of runs with that idea of giving up personal freedom for safety, and the can of worms that idea opens up.
Honestly, I'm just scared that he pulls a Putin and becomes an unofficial dictator.

The support of Chavez in 1999, the praising of the dictatorship's atrocities, the cult of personality built around him, the radical proposal to dealing with crime (just kill them all), the desire to instill military values into the general populace, and the circumstances he finds himself in (almost every other candidate is very left-wing and their corruption is publicly known, the democratic system has shown itself to be quite unstable, crime and poverty are rampant, etc.) along with how he's stated he wants to fill the government with military personnel all feel like warning signs.

I don't want to fearmonger, but from the way I see it this could get ugly really fast. I hope it's just me being paranoid or stupid, but I can't help the sinking feeling in my gut that I'll be hearing about another dictatorship emerging in South America.
On the bright side, Bolsonaro is also intent on sucking Israel's dick, so the family I have in Brazil isn't going to get horribly murdered if he does turn out to be a dictator.
 
WillShitpostForFood said:
Most people who I talked to who support him essentially are just doing it for the sake of ensuring the country is secure, saying that even if he brings back the military dictatorship at least the country will be safe, which sort of runs with that idea of giving up personal freedom for safety, and the can of worms that idea opens up.
Honestly, I'm just scared that he pulls a Putin and becomes an unofficial dictator.

The support of Chavez in 1999, the praising of the dictatorship's atrocities, the cult of personality built around him, the radical proposal to dealing with crime (just kill them all), the desire to instill military values into the general populace, and the circumstances he finds himself in (almost every other candidate is very left-wing and their corruption is publicly known, the democratic system has shown itself to be quite unstable, crime and poverty are rampant, etc.) along with how he's stated he wants to fill the government with military personnel all feel like warning signs.

I don't want to fearmonger, but from the way I see it this could get ugly really fast. I hope it's just me being paranoid or stupid, but I can't help the sinking feeling in my gut that I'll be hearing about another dictatorship emerging in South America.
On the bright side, Bolsonaro is also intent on sucking Israel's dick, so the family I have in Brazil isn't going to get horribly murdered if he does turn out to be a dictator.
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The Lula cult has been far stronger and far more similar to the Chavez shit show. Bolsonaro is the pendulum swinging back against asshats like Chavez, Lula, and Allende
 
KingCoelacanth said:
A lot of people are saying that Bolsonaro has a clear and easy victory, but this very well may not be the case.
The MSM and other influential groups will have 3 straight weeks to prop up haddad, while taking swings at Bolsonaro.
Not to mention that even if he wins, the Judiciary branch is stacked to the top with socialists who will do everything they can to oppose him.
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Just like the U.S
 
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