Battlefield General - Discuss the series here

[shartshooter]

For indie shit like Undertale, the majority of the audience is plugged into online culture. For mainstream games like CoD, Battlefield, and Fifa though? I don't think it has such a huge impact.

Remember Call of Duty infinite warfare? Its reveal trailer was the most disliked video in YouTube history up until recently. Guess what though? It was still the best selling game of 2016.

Infinity Ward didn't respond with antagonism then wade into the culture war. And iirc COD has good community managers.

BF may have a large audience but the demographic is still by far narrower than Fifa. Your assertion that social media doesn't affect this scale doesn't make any sense. A single reddit controversy hit Battlefront 2 and EA had to change the monetization scheme as damage control, and that's Star Wars. You yourself said BFV sold poorly because it was "mediocre," but how did customers hear that negative buzz in advance of their purchase if not social media? And the mediocre COD game that released alongside was a hit. It's almost like something happened, something before the game's release, that generated a shitstorm of negative buzz and instead of positive buzz...

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Bruh.

99% of the audience doesn't give a shit/know about some developer telling exceptional individuals online not to buy the game if they don't like it.

People who post on forums and YouTube are a tiny, tiny percentage of the overall audience. There's a reason why games like Far Cry and Fifa are consistently among the best selling games of the year despite there being zero online buzz about them.

BFV sold under estimates because it's a shitty sequel to a mediocre game that came out during a crowded launch window.

This. Go into 5 different Gamestops and ask everyone in there about "the culture wars" and see how many people know or give a fuck about it.

Infinity Ward didn't respond with antagonism then wade into the culture war. And iirc COD has good community managers... And the mediocre COD game that released alongside was a hit.

Nigger cawadoody is also one of the biggest franchises of the last couple of decades. Get the fuck out of here like 'Well gee, this darkhorse sure came out of nowhere and cleaned house. Seems like "getting woke" results in a hit to the ol pocketbook!' shit.

BF may have a large audience but the demographic is still by far narrower than Fifa. Your assertion that social media doesn't affect this scale doesn't make any sense. A single reddit controversy hit Battlefront 2 and EA had to change the monetization scheme as damage control, and that's Star Wars. You yourself said BFV sold poorly because it was "mediocre," but how did customers hear that negative buzz in advance of their purchase if not social media? It's almost like something happened, something before the game's release, that generated a shitstorm of negative buzz and instead of positive buzz...

The game was number 4 in November, number 5 in December. Over the holiday season it was beaten out by an incredibly popular Nintendo game, two of the biggest selling franchises in the modern era, and literally the second best selling piece of entertainment of all time. KotakuInAction were jerking themselves raw over the games failure yesterday and only casually noted that the sales figures they were using apparently didn't count digital PC sales.

When a commentor brought that up, they legitimately tried to counter that there's no way a PC game sold digitally would have possibly made a difference. Really? Go on somewhere with this.

I understand GamerGate came and went and there's not really shit to show for it, but you're all leaning on this GET WOKE GO BROKE shit to a delusional level at this point.

 

[shartshooter]

Nigger cawadoody is also one of the biggest franchises of the last couple of decades. Get the fuck out of here like 'Well gee, this darkhorse sure came out of nowhere and cleaned house. Seems like "getting woke" results in a hit to the ol pocketbook!' shit.

Lmao I literally wrote nothing like that.

I like how assblasted defense of EA is always all or nothing. Can't discuss how BFV had negative buzz or the effect, because people in gamestop doesn't know what a gamer gate is. So there can't be negative buzz or diminished hype. Can't discuss concepts like underperformance, because the game sold in any amount means the game sold well.

The game was number 4 in November, number 5 in December.

Titanfall 2 also debuted at #4. Hm why was everyone so hard on it then, it sold enough to be fourth! Takes 1 minute to google a digital estimate, and Nielsen put the BFV holiday at poor. EA revised their projected annual earnings after BFV's launch.

EA restructured its online monetization system after a single Reddit controversy. You should get a job at EA and tell them it doesn't matter, they'd make more money and you would get promoted :^)

 

[Munchingonfish]

The game was number 4 in November, number 5 in December. Over the holiday season it was beaten out by an incredibly popular Nintendo game, two of the biggest selling franchises in the modern era, and literally the second best selling piece of entertainment of all time. KotakuInAction were jerking themselves raw over the games failure yesterday and only casually noted that the sales figures they were using apparently didn't count digital PC sales.

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When a commentor brought that up, they legitimately tried to counter that there's no way a PC game sold digitally would have possibly made a difference. Really? Go on somewhere with this.

I understand GamerGate came and went and there's not really shit to show for it, but you're all leaning on this GET WOKE GO BROKE shit to a delusional level at this point.

No digital PC sales isn't a gotcha. The earlier games it was compared to didn't have that data either. That's because EA exclusively sells their PC digitally games on Origin. The 2016 chart you posted literally says that they're not included. Only EA knows their digital PC sales. Origin's not a popular enough storefront for outside companies to invest in monitoring it.

You really should look at the charts you posted more carefully. In 2016, Battlefield 1 outsold Grand Theft Auto V in the US. In 2018, Grand Theft Auto V outsold Battlefield V. Yes, GTA V is the biggest thing ever, but it's years old and the game before Battlefield V managed to outsell it in its release year. How did that happen?

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

//Origin's not a popular enough storefront for outside companies to invest in monitoring it.

How the fuck do you figure this? one of the biggest companies around isn't moving enough numbers with their exclusive storefront to be considered as moving numbers? Are you retarded?

 

[Adolf Von Merkel]

I doubt PC sales in a platform who isn't steam or Battlenet have sales near of the console port.

 

[Munchingonfish]

How the fuck do you figure this? one of the biggest companies around isn't moving enough numbers with their exclusive storefront to be considered as moving numbers? Are you exceptional?

The last time someone tracked this, Steam had 75% market share of the digital PC gaming space. That remaining 25% is split between Origin, Uplay, GOG, Windows Store, Battle.net and lots of other shit. EA is a publicly traded company. Their PC business is a fraction of their console one.

The only people I know with Origin accounts created them because EA used to give games away for free. Check out the player base numbers for Battlefield 1 and you'll see how the PC version was always lower than both consoles. Battlefield V doesn't have a similar feature.

Why are you sticking with the PC sales defense? That would only matter if a much larger amount of people bought Battlefield V's PC version compared to the earlier games. I don't see why that would happen.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I don't know why you're sticking with the PC sales defense.

Because of the aforementioned tidbit about people jerking themselves raw about how physical sales being down was GOING BROKE!, completely ignoring that CoD's were down too.

Made even more interesting by the fact that this GamerGate-friendly website is more or less admitting the "bombing" probably wasn't as dire as people keep saying. So either OneAngryGamer randomly got cucked from out of nowhere, or maybe it didn't actually flop on it's face.

I'm actually interested to know how many copies they apparently expected to sell where "1,404,974 units in two days at retail" is considered a humiliating failure.

 

[Munchingonfish]

Because of the aforementioned tidbit about people jerking themselves raw about how physical sales being down was GOING BROKE!, completely ignoring that CoD's were down too.

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Do you read the things you link to? That Wikipedia sentence is about Blops 4's UK launch where it was down 50% from last year's boxed sales. In the UK, Battlefield V's physical launch sales were down more than 63% compared to Battlefield 1's.

Blops 4's launch sales being down isn't surprising. It came out in October. CoD usually comes out in November, so it gets an instant Christmas boost. By the end of November, Blops 4 was already the best selling game of 2018 in the US. Battlefield V couldn't even outsell Grand Theft Auto V's yearly sales, which is something Battlefield 1 did in 2016.

Made even more interesting by the fact that this GamerGate-friendly website is more or less admitting the "bombing" probably wasn't as dire as people keep saying. So either OneAngryGamer randomly got cucked from out of nowhere, or maybe it didn't actually flop on it's face.

I'm actually interested to know how many copies they apparently expected to sell where "1,404,974 units in two days at retail" is considered a humiliating failure.

Can you even read the things you link to? You're asking why 1.4 million units would be seen as poor when in the same article EA is mentioned being disappointed in a game that sold over 7 million units. These are some of the most expensive games in the industry. They're expected to bring in shit loads of cash.

If a single sentence gets you spewing all this spergatry, I'm going to make sure I say it more often.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Can you even read the things you link to? You're asking why 1.4 million units would be seen as poor when in the same article EA is mentioned being disappointed in a game that sold over 7 million units. These are some of the most expensive games in the industry. They're expected to bring in shit loads of cash.

Whoa, so you mean retarded expectations account for "flops", and not WE DID IT GANG, WE MADE THEM REALIZE (((SOCJUS))) IS POISON!.

Why are you making bitchy remarks about "even reading the links your posting" and then just completely ignoring the fact that's I'm not getting at "dissapointing sales" for CoD, it's about it being the best selling digital sales ever. What kind of fucking retard sits there and pretends digital sales aren't a big factor?

Wow, I'm sperging out so hard that even you can't read the link I'm posting! Here let me dumb it down for you; digital game big convenience! Gamer like convenience! Gamer download games, make for good sales!

Now let's take it a step further (and pay extra close attention as this seems to have tripped you right the fuck up earlier), and show you that even a game that sold poorly physically sold good on make computer strorefront! No count digital storefront purchases? Get lower number!

That too spergy for you? Need me to fire up the ol MS Paint and see if I can make it a maymay to try and explain it better?

 

[Next Task]

lol calm down

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

No count digital storefront purchases? Get lower number!

So I got no horse in this race, but don't those numbers literally not exist with EA like, not releasing them? If so, how the heck can you count a non-existent number?

 

[BScCollateral]

So I got no horse in this race, but don't those numbers literally not exist with EA like, not releasing them? If so, how the heck can you count a non-existent number?

This. Given that we don't have all the information, people need to work with what they've got, and not act like possible honest misinterpretations are literally killing female WWII cyborg veterans.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

This. Go into 5 different Gamestops and ask everyone in there about "the culture wars" and see how many people know or give a fuck about it.



Nigger cawadoody is also one of the biggest franchises of the last couple of decades. Get the fuck out of here like 'Well gee, this darkhorse sure came out of nowhere and cleaned house. Seems like "getting woke" results in a hit to the ol pocketbook!' shit.



The game was number 4 in November, number 5 in December. Over the holiday season it was beaten out by an incredibly popular Nintendo game, two of the biggest selling franchises in the modern era, and literally the second best selling piece of entertainment of all time. KotakuInAction were jerking themselves raw over the games failure yesterday and only casually noted that the sales figures they were using apparently didn't count digital PC sales.

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When a commentor brought that up, they legitimately tried to counter that there's no way a PC game sold digitally would have possibly made a difference. Really? Go on somewhere with this.

I understand GamerGate came and went and there's not really shit to show for it, but you're all leaning on this GET WOKE GO BROKE shit to a delusional level at this point.

To be fair, most people don’t know about GamerGate. Even people who hate on Battlefront II for its lootboxes and BFV for its botched marketing. Hell, I’ve known people who ranted about SJWs in Star Wars and even Sargon subscribers that didn’t know about GamerGate.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Moral of the story, don't antagonize your fanbase and tell them "don't like it, don't buy it".

Word of mouth should never be underestimated, and an incensed fanbase will make their anger heard.

Something I remember near and dear from my District Manager is that people will more likely remember a bad customer experience rather than a good one, which by all accounts should be simple and common sense, but it seems that in this day and age, common sense is almost as rare as gold. Greed, cynicism, arrogance, and stagnation are all major problems for the game with the social justice shit just being cherry ontop of the shit sundae. All I want ot know is when is the marketing tactic of "Buy our product or you are bad" is going to end?

 

[nosemouth]

When a commentor brought that up, they legitimately tried to counter that there's no way a PC game sold digitally would have possibly made a difference. Really? Go on somewhere with this.

I understand GamerGate came and went and there's not really shit to show for it, but you're all leaning on this GET WOKE GO BROKE shit to a delusional level at this point.

"Y-you guys are all wrong, and everyone else in the world agrees with me!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111"

 

[CrunkLord420]

No one probably cares but I'm pretty happy that my fibonacci lines came really close to what actually happened. I just made up those bounce lines (roughly 45 degree angles).
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lol, I still haven't touched these lines

 

[Ruin]

The final figure looks to be about 7.2 million units which is less than half of BF1's 15 million and a fucking disaster by EA standards.

 

[Vault Boy]

The final figure looks to be about 7.2 million units which is less than half of BF1's 15 million and a fucking disaster by EA standards.

I knew that the Battlefront II controversy would affect Battlefield V (I know it did for me, that game soured me on Live Service models), but I guess acting like assholes towards an already incensed fanbase made things worse. EA & DICE really ought to work on their PR skills, they're woefully lackluster.

 

[shartshooter]

Breaking News, EA Tricked Into Repeating Goobergate Disinfo That BFV Underperformed

While Battlefield V was the flagship game for showing off the real-time ray tracing features of Nvidia's RTX cards, the latest entry in the franchise didn’t perform as well as hoped. EA’s COO and CFO, Blake Jorgensen, said 7.3 million copies had sold worldwide to date. That might sound like a lot, but it’s still one million fewer than EA was anticipating. Additionally, it didn’t help bring in as many Origin Access Premier subscribers as expected...

EA recorded a total net revenue of $1.289 billion for Q3, but had been looking for $1.375 billion. The results saw its shares fall as low as $74.71 in late trading. The company has now lowered its outlook for revenue during this quarter, despite the initial popularity of Apex Legends, which gained one million players in under eight hours following its launch, and the upcoming release of Anthem.

Something interesting to note, 7.3 million would actually move down that 2018 NPD chart a space and not up if I'm not mistaken. It seemed weird Mario Odyssey should be below it, I checked and Nintendo announced they'd already sold 10 million copies by April. So I guess digital sales can make a big difference