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Arbiter said:
Do women really look like this from your perspective
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You know those videos of a bouncer picking up some short dude that's kicking up a fuss and just carrying him away while everyone laughs? It's like that. If you are a head taller than someone, it can look a bit silly if they argue with you. Part of your lizard brain goes "why does this person argue with me like I can't just use force?".
It's why I hate movies where they have some woman talk tough in a dangerous situation (like a shady bar), especially when surrounded by men that could easy pick her up and put her in the corner if she's yapping too much. Woman can command power and respect, but not by acting like they're a quarter backer that can back their threats up.
 
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FrogMinutes said:
Because there's zero reason to ever mention your sex in a hobby unless you're looking for attention.
it all goes back to the old internet rule "there are no women on the internet" and it isn't what you think it means at first glance.

its a guideline to treat everyone else the same and focus on the hobby/discussion.
if there is someone calming to be a woman, the "post tits" isn't just asking for tits.
it's devaluing the idea that people NEED to know your identity at all times, even when you're talking about trains or some shit.

by posting tits you've proven the point that you're looking for attention.
by not posting tits means you're a man, therefore you are to be treated no different than anyone else.

'There are no women on the internet" forces value to be entirely based off your ideas/shit you make/funny shit you say,
not your identity. the minute you start putting value in Identity over ideas in a hobby, you'll be thrown into identity politics.
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Even if you don't mention your gender people still think you're vying for attention. It's lose-lose whether you mention it or not.
 
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Alabaster Ramshackle said:
I am not a gooner and I am anti-porn, anti-sexwork as well.

Men are always thinking about sex. It's hard-coded.

I am not being crass when I say this: When I see a woman, sex with her is among the first things that cross my mind. However, this thought is often just as quickly and frivolously discarded. I know I'm not alone in this. Many men will not admit to it, and probably even lack awareness of this, because the process is just so automatic in us.
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That's a bit extreme. I can certainly say that as I've gotten away from internet culture and hookup culture I have noticed myself objectifying women a lot less and primarily thinking of them as fellow children of god. Which isn't to say it never crosses my mind, but it's usually not the first thought, nor indiscrimanant. Like I said before, there's a nature aspect and a nurture aspect; it's always present but it's very much exacerbated by how much you focus on it and the type of people and media you expose yourself to.

Gangstalker #32194 said:
are gender wars a jewish psyop, or are they a jewish psyop instead?
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Any rhetoric that divides the working class against itself is a jewish psyop.

Also "gender" doesn't exist, it's a term invented by pedophile and castration fetishist John Money who was barred from talking to patients at his medical practice after he tried to deceive a mother into unnecessarily castrating her son, and who went on to force twin boys to simulate sex with each other in the name of science, an experience which lead both to eventually commit suicide. Just say "battle of the sexes".

Waffle Iron said:
It's why I hate movies where they have some woman talk tough in a dangerous situation (like a shady bar), especially when surrounded by men that could easy pick her up and put her in the corner if she's yapping too much. Woman can command power and respect, but not by acting like they're a quarter backer that can back their threats up.
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I wish they would do a better job of portraying realistic options for women, like BJJ or krav or carrying a gun. For all its flaws the second season of True Detective handles it pretty well.

 
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be honest, if a woman was giving you unrequited attention and was willing to put out how ugly and/or fat would you go?
 
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Arbiter said:
Do women really look like this from your perspective, because that's fucking devastating
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only if you stand too close
to the point where both of you have to angle your head to the weird postions to look at each other
malcolmlex said:
be honest, if a woman was giving you unrequited attention and was willing to put out how ugly and/or fat would you go?
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can't say that i dated fat chicks but i did dated extremly unkept girl. But honestly her being unkept was amostly a warning sign for all other issues that she had, so after that i have in my head that "how neat you are = how much you have your shit together".
if we talking ugly in the sence of extreme deformity or something, yeah i don't think i can do it.
 
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malcolmlex said:
be honest, if a woman was giving you unrequited attention and was willing to put out how ugly and/or fat would you go?
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A relationship is not just about sex/attention. Else BPD women wouldn't be hell. There are many other things that you can find attractive, or like to see in a woman. Like: is she chill or is she neurotic? How smart is she? How independent is she? How intro/extraverted is she? etc. You can have a 10/10 sex demon as girlfriend, but if you clash on too many things you won't be happy together. If she wants to go to every crazy party every night, but you want to go once in a while, and she acts like every bump in the road is the end of the world, and you prefer to think through things calmly when they go wrong, you are going to get sick of each other quick.

As for fat/ugly. That is relative. Fat is something that can be worked on, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. A woman might not be the prettiest, or the slimmest, but if being together is very enjoyable then why beat yourself up over something that is skin-deep*? But if the only thing you can bring to the table is "I pay attention to you and I'm willing to have sex" then I don't see how a relationship lasts. Sex and attention are fun, but what about the vast amount of time in between the sex and me receiving your attention? Will you ever talk about something interesting?

*although as @DefinitelyNotMe said, outside appearance does reflect the inside to some point. A fat person can indicate she doesn't take care of herself or is not very disciplined. Or deals with stress by eating.
 
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Waffle Iron said:
As for fat/ugly. That is relative. Fat is something that can be worked on, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. A woman might not be the prettiest, or the slimmest, but if being together is very enjoyable then why beat yourself up over something that is skin-deep*? But if the only thing you can bring to the table is "I pay attention to you and I'm willing to have sex" then I don't see how a relationship lasts.
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Valid points, NLOB, however I mean more in a one night stand way. Imagine a woman hitting on you in a club who is desperate, and you’ll probably never see again. I suppose that question ultimately comes down to how the individual views casual sex though.
DefinitelyNotMe said:
But honestly her being unkept was amostly a warning sign for all other issues that she had, so after that i have in my head that "how neat you are = how much you have your shit together".
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Definitely true however sometimes unkempt people have potential. Be it a shitty haircut, big googly eye glasses, acne scars, if I can see somewhere under the laziness they’re attractive and I genuinely enjoy their company and find them funny, as a lady I would probably try to ‘fix him’. Did you (or anyone else reading) manage to fix your neet gf? Or any for that matter?
 
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malcolmlex said:
Valid points, NLOB, however I mean more in a one night stand way. Imagine a woman hitting on you in a club who is desperate, and you’ll probably never see again. I suppose that question ultimately comes down to how the individual views casual sex though.
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There are always men desperate/drunk enough to settle for some fatty.
malcolmlex said:
as a lady I would probably try to ‘fix him’.
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he already got a gf while being a slob. Changing is hard, and needs to come from yourself. And sometimes you read a story of someone who does manage to clean up a girl, but she suddenly gets attention from chad and decides to upgrade.
 
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jandlecack said:
be honest, if a woman was giving you unrequited attention and was willing to put out how ugly and/or fat would you go?
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jandlecack said:
I mean more in a one night stand way. Imagine a woman hitting on you in a club who is desperate, and you’ll probably never see again. I suppose that question ultimately comes down to how the individual views casual sex though.
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It's complicated. In my experience when somebody is being particularly active/aggressive about pursuing you, they usually want more than just a hookup, and I am hard-line not interested in being in a relationship with someone who doesn't take care of themselves (e.g. fat, bad hygiene, bad habits, etc). It's a lot easier to just reject that type of person outright than it is to hook up and then explain why you don't want to see them again. It's sort of adjacent to "don't stick your dick in crazy".

The flip-side to that is that if somebody is "ugly" because of bad genes or something else they have no control over but they're clearly putting in the work to make the best of it, I perceive them a lot more favorably than somebody who just lucked into being pretty. To be clear I'm talking about stuff like going to the gym and taking care of yourself, not using make-up and clothes to momentarily distract from the fact that you don't take care of yourself the rest of the time.

People can be ugly on the outside but pretty on the inside, people can be pretty on the outside but ugly on the inside; people can be ugly on the outside because they're ugly on the inside, and people can be pretty on the outside because they're pretty on the inside. Hooking up with someone who's ugly on the outside but pretty on the inside is a lot less detrimental to your life than hooking up with someone who's pretty on the outside but ugly on the inside. But if you're going to settle for somebody who's ugly on the inside, you might as well pick one that's pretty on the outside, because there's no shortage of people like that and they're not that hard to impress. Like I said, it's complicated.

All that said, it took experience to figure all that out and I hooked up with more than a few people I shouldn't have along the way, so shoot your shot I guess. I have mixed feelings about casual sex on principle but I'm not your dad.

DefinitelyNotMe said:
can't say that i dated fat chicks but i did dated extremly unkept girl. But honestly her being unkept was amostly a warning sign for all other issues that she had, so after that i have in my head that "how neat you are = how much you have your shit together".
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Same applies to being fat.

jandlecack said:
Definitely true however sometimes unkempt people have potential. Be it a shitty haircut, big googly eye glasses, acne scars, if I can see somewhere under the laziness they’re attractive and I genuinely enjoy their company and find them funny, as a lady I would probably try to ‘fix him’.
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Doesn't work.

"Women marry men with the expectation that they'll change, and men marry women with the expectation that they'll stay the same; invariably, both are disappointed."

DefinitelyNotMe said:
Tried and failed.
It was weird man. Its like i was a father or something schoulding her for not cleaning her room and take her job a bit more serious.
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It's even worse when they present themselves as having their shit together and then regress into being a slob. Especially if you try to abide by the "campsite rule", because then you feel like you can't dump them until they get their shit together again. Spoiler alert: it won't happen, cut your losses. I know because I've been on both sides of it.
 
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