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I moved to New Hampshire for this shit in my twenties. When my brain fully developed (literally mid to late 20's) I realized the entire premise of this view of "liberty" means assuming everyone who disagrees is too retarded to make a free choice.

I think almost everyone has a libertarian phase - even when I identified as one I couldn't stand the retarded nigger cattle who supported open borders and had no loyalty to anything besides what made them cum. Congrats on unfucking your brain.
 
Note that you're admitting you need to promise bread and land, because you can't create it yourself. All parasitism, no production. The envy you accuse me of ignoring is exactly what your scheme depends on.
Jesus, you really don't get it...it's not what I want, it's what will happen.

Power will accumulate towards those with the will and charisma to make it happen because people fundamentally desire law, order peace and stability and if that leader promises it and delivers it enough they will follow him or her to the ends of the Earth.

On the contrary, I take these vices seriously enough to not put them on a throne.
You and what army?

General Secretary/King/Imperator/Baseilus Agamemnon Busmalis guarantees all loyal subjects involved in the war against the parasites will receive extra rations of fish, oil and grain and the first fruits of looting your cities and towns.
 
Jesus, you really don't get it...it's not what I want, it's what will happen.
Uh-huh. "Here's why X follows from Y" is no longer in fashion, I guess. "Shut up, destiny says so" is the new black. Try reasoning instead of fortune-telling.
Power will accumulate towards those with the will and charisma to make it happen because people fundamentally desire law, order peace and stability and if that leader promises it, what are you going to do?
So you admit that people want order, people, and stability. And you admit that leaders have to promise bread and law to win support. That means the currency isn't charisma, it's the demand for actual goods and predictability. And that undermines your fatalism. If people want order, then the consistent way to get it is respecting boundaries, and not gambling on strongmen whose "order" collapses into famine and purges.
You and what army?
Armies don't conjure themselves out of thin air. They require production, loyalty, and sustained costs. Which circles us back to my point. Coercion is parasitism, and parasites need hosts. Strip away the legitimacy, strip away the tax base, and your "armies" shrink to gangs that get resisted like every other gangs.
 
Uh-huh. "Here's why X follows from Y" is no longer in fashion, I guess. "Shut up, destiny says so" is the new black. Try reasoning instead of fortune-telling.
I was chosen by God, there was a full moon on the day of my birth and it told me to loot your ancap lands. What do you think comrades? Are you tired of being hungry and impoverished by these fucks!?

So you admit that people want order, people, and stability. And you admit that leaders have to promise bread and law to win support. That means the currency isn't charisma, it's the demand for actual goods and predictability. And that undermines your fatalism. If people want order, then the consistent way to get it is respecting boundaries, and not gambling on strongmen whose "order" collapses into famine and purges.
We'll deliver it to our people seizing it from you by force. What are you ancaps going to do?

Armies don't conjure themselves out of thin air. They require production, loyalty, and sustained costs. Which circles us back to my point. Coercion is parasitism, and parasites need hosts. Strip away the legitimacy, strip away the tax base, and your "armies" shrink to gangs that get resisted like every other gangs.
I'll pay them out of the loot and slaves from your ancap farms and cities. Burn every village and take what you want, men!

How do you not get this is the ultimate outcome?
 
Parents don't own children. They brought them into existence and are responsible for not aggressing against them. Neglect that results in aggression (like letting a child starve while obstructing others from helping) violates the child's rights. But no, unless the parents agree otherwise, there is no state-like "legal code". The framework is liability and restitution under property rights.
In case that wasn't clear enough: Everybody has the right to help children, everybody has the right to enforce the child's property rights as an intervening third party. Forestalling/obstruction is aggression and can be met with force.
Do children have property rights, such as to food and clothing, that they have not acquired through charity or through their own economic initiative?

That is to say, assuming for the sake of argument that no "intervening third party" "helps" the child, and the child has not worked to acquire money and property of his own, do parents have a positive obligation to feed, clothe, or educate their child?
 
Do children have property rights, such as to food and clothing, that they have not acquired through charity or through their own economic initiative?

That is to say, assuming for the sake of argument that no "intervening third party" "helps" the child, and the child has not worked to acquire money and property of his own, do parents have a positive obligation to feed, clothe, or educate their child?
Children, like adults, don't get property "for free", not food, not clothing, not shelter. Rights don't magically produce goods, they only define what others may not do to you. The rights of a child mean that nobody may aggress against them and nobody may block others from offering them help.
So a child does not automatically "own" food or clothing just by existing. But parents, by bringing a child into the world, create the special liability. They can't simply let the child starve while forbidding others from stepping in. That obstruction would be aggression against the child's body. If the parents refuse to provide, then they have to relinquish guardianship of the child to others who will.
Rights != guaranteed goods; rights == boundaries against aggression.
 
Do children have property rights, such as to food and clothing, that they have not acquired through charity or through their own economic initiative?

That is to say, assuming for the sake of argument that no "intervening third party" "helps" the child, and the child has not worked to acquire money and property of his own, do parents have a positive obligation to feed, clothe, or educate their child?
Here's a more coherent anarcho-retard reply brought to you by AI:

As an anarcho-capitalist, the answer is no, children do not have a positive right to the property of others, including their parents. This is a fundamental tenet of anarcho-capitalism, which holds that all rights are negative rights.

The Non-Aggression Principle

The core of anarcho-capitalism is the non-aggression principle (NAP). The NAP states that it's wrong for anyone to initiate force or coercion against another person or their property. This means no one has a positive obligation to provide food, clothing, or education to another. A positive obligation would require someone to use force to take property from a parent to give to a child, which violates the NAP.

Property Rights and Individual Sovereignty
In an anarcho-capitalist society, all individuals, regardless of age, are considered self-owners. This means each person has absolute ownership over their own body and labor. This concept extends to property. A parent's property, earned through their labor, is theirs alone. To claim a child has a right to that property would be to violate the parent's property rights.

The Role of Charity and Contracts

While children do not have a right to their parents' property, this doesn't mean parents can't or won't provide for their children. The parent-child relationship is viewed through the lens of a contractual or consensual agreement. Parents are expected to provide for their children through voluntary charity or a tacit agreement. If a parent fails to provide for a child, it's not a violation of the child's rights but rather a moral failing. The child's protection would fall to the community, which would address the situation through voluntary means, such as private charities or adoption services.

In an anarcho-capitalist system, disputes over child welfare would be handled by private arbitration agencies. These agencies would enforce contracts and voluntary agreements, but they would not create or enforce positive obligations.

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And the counter argument:

The argument that rights are solely boundaries against aggression and don't guarantee goods is a core tenet of anarcho-capitalism, but it fails to account for the unique vulnerabilities of children and the societal obligations that arise from their existence.

The Flaw in the "Rights as Boundaries" Argument

The anarcho-capitalist argument presents a narrow, and ultimately unworkable, view of rights by separating them from the material conditions necessary for life. A right that can't be exercised is meaningless. For a child, the "right" not to be aggressed against is insufficient if they are simultaneously denied the means to survive. The argument states that a parent's refusal to provide for their child is only aggression if they also obstruct others from helping. This creates a dangerous legal and ethical vacuum. In a truly anarcho-capitalist society with no state to enforce obligations, this would lead to a system where a parent could theoretically abandon a child to the elements, as long as they don't physically prevent a stranger from rescuing them. This ignores the inherent vulnerability of children, who are incapable of seeking out help on their own. The child's right to life is effectively moot if it's conditional on the benevolence of a third party.
The Social and Moral Obligation of Parents
A more robust understanding of parental responsibility is that it is a positive obligation, not just a negative one. By choosing to bring a child into the world, parents assume a direct and primary duty to care for that child. This duty isn't merely to avoid aggression but to actively provide for their well-being. This is a fundamental concept in both legal systems and moral philosophy. John Locke, for example, argued that the law of nature obligates parents to preserve, nourish, and educate their children. This obligation is not a violation of rights but a fulfillment of a natural duty.

The Concept of Positive Rights

The anarcho-capitalist argument dismisses the concept of positive rights, which are entitlements to certain goods or services, such as the right to education, healthcare, or, most fundamentally, the right to sustenance when one is incapable of providing for oneself. The argument states that rights "don't magically produce goods," which is correct. However, this is a strawman. The purpose of positive rights is not to magically create goods but to obligate individuals or society to provide for those in need, especially the most vulnerable. While negative rights (freedom from interference) are crucial, they are not sufficient to protect those who cannot protect themselves. For a child, the right to life must include the right to the resources necessary to sustain that life. The right to freedom from aggression is useless if one is starving to death. The legal and ethical framework for children's rights must therefore acknowledge both negative and positive rights to ensure their survival and well-
being.

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Weird how easy it is to stream this stuff on text prediction in less than half a second but it doesn't actually solve anything.
 
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They can't simply let the child starve while forbidding others from stepping in. That obstruction would be aggression against the child's body. If the parents refuse to provide, then they have to relinquish guardianship of the child to others who will.
OK, but I'm not asking about third parties and obstruction.

I'm asking about parents and their children.

Disregard all third parties. Imagine we're living on a Sealand platform, or it's Fallout World, and no other intervening parties are anywhere near. OR, maybe everyone else is a tranny, and doesn't care enough to help.

Do parents have a positive obligation to feed, clothe, or educate their child?
 
Desire isn't a title.
What?
Scarcity means that human wants always exceed available goods. Property norms say "acquire by first use/creation, trade, gift or inheritance; don't seize".
Depends on whom you ask, which is what you don't account for.

If you want more than you have, your options are production and exchange, not overruling the boundaries of others.
Unless someone thinks otherwise. You see a pattern yet?

That's exactly how conflict is minimized, namely by channeling desire into peaceful means, and not by pretending that a want comes with a claim.
And the reason for the initial claim?

Conflict exists because of scarcity,
Conflict exists because of desire.

and property rules are how you resolve conflict without institutionalizing aggression.
If everyone agrees. And if they don't, no.

A voluntary contract reveals demonstrated preference over the alternatives a person has.
Fucking duh.

Fraud, duress, or incapacity make consent null and void, full stop. Markets respond to "poor negotiation" with advisors, reputation systems, standardized terms, warranties, and insurance.
Based on what standards, and with what teeth?

The statist "cure" (letting a monopoly declare peaceful agreements null and void by decree) creates the only party with actual unilateral power.
Speaking of strawmen.

You, like many others, are assuming that law = state edict. I reject that premise.
You, like many of your ilk, disregard the notion and mechanisms of vaguely communal (=voting) societies who agree in inception to a society in which they have a role, albeit diluted at certain levels. I won't bother to critique pure democracies, given your world view.

Law is the rule that your action stops at the boundaries of others.
That is not an objective definition or statement.

Enforcement is defense, restitution, and exclusion. "Societal consequences" are precisely what owners and their coalitions impose when they are wronged, without qualified immunity or political sanctuary.
Lol.

Private order comes first. States later codify fragments of what already works (because it works). The mechanism is contract + reputation + exclusion. You can call that "adjacent to the state" if you like, but I don't care.
It's just proto- as applied beyond an actual, limited commercial context. Commercial rules do not lend themselves to actions we understand today as criminal.

Private order comes first. States later codify fragments of what already works (because it works). The mechanism is contract + reputation + exclusion. You can call that "adjacent to the state" if you like, but I don't care.
Yes, thank you for parroting what I explained was the trajectory of lex mercatoria. As societies grow and expand, niche resolution mechanisms become common law or codified. For a reason.

"I don't care." Excellent defensible principled position.

Antitrust laws exist to make every businessperson guilty before proven innocent. Charge more than your competitors? Guilty of price gauging. Charge less than your competitors? Unfair dumping prices. Charge the same as your competitors? Collusion.
Lol, tell me you don't understand antitrust and monopoly without telling me. All you have is sour cynicism without comprehension.

There exists no such thing as a "monopoly" in the absence of a state. Everything that you might colloquially call a "monopoly" is at best a market leadership that's contestable. The moment force enters, it's not commerce, it's crime.
Incorrect. You can't speak the language, so stop trying to redefine it.

Monopoly centralizes whim.
I said nothing about monopoly there. You're mis-defining terms and premising weak arguments on those erroneous definitions. Do better.

Discretion, selective prosecution, and immunity are not bugs or accidents of statism, they're the core operating system doing what it's designed to do..
Absolute naive yet cynical reactivism.

In a free order, the costs of predation fall on predators. Under the state, they're socialized and often subsidized.
Unfounded assertion.

That said, please try better next time. You've mixed many categories and smuggled many premises. You keep redefining "law" to mean "whatever a monopoly declares"
Never did. If you're confused, ask for clarification before making a poorly-judged leap. I mean, if you have any intellectual integrity. :optimistic:

and then declare every non-state law "not really law".
Fantasy. I know you're ESL, but if you self-advocate as thoughtful, work on some basic comprehension.

I'm happy to answer actual questions, but I ask you to follow the AMA format and pose clear questions next time.
Sorry, Hitler; I'm not curious about your obviously and evidently incoherent views, except insofar as you're unable to support them. And I am amused by puerile assertive attempts at political philosophy.
 
I am confused. What is stopping me from cracking your head open and stealing your food?
OP is going to miss the point of this question and answer with something like "in ancap land there can be decentralized private militaries that will contractually agree to defend me not like in those evil states where military exists to do things without contracts or consent GRRR" not realizing that this doesn't answer the question because it's not about whether his ancap system is ideal and morally just, but whether it's sustainable. Ancap land doesn't have an answer for private militaries that end up being big enough to ignore contractual agreements and just do what they want without permission.

Acknowledging this can happen doesn't mean that you think morality doesn't exist and that the only thing that determines what's good or bad is "might makes right". I do think that "Might makes right" is a little misleading, I prefer the less catchy "might makes things possible but doesn't say anything about whether the thing is good or bad". Might is a tool for your preferred system of belief.
 
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I am confused. What is stopping me from cracking your head open and stealing your food?
The Second Amendment. Oh wait, there’s no state and he’s not American. What would stop up is an equal or greater force from him to defend his property against you.
 
OP is going to miss the point of this question and answer with something like "in ancap land there can be decentralized private militaries that will contractually agree to defend me not like in those evil states where military exists to do things without contracts or consent GRRR" not realizing that this doesn't answer the question because it's not about whether his ancap system is ideal and morally just, but whether it's sustainable. Ancap land doesn't have an answer for private militaries that end up being big enough to ignore contractual agreements and just do what they want without permission.

Acknowledging this can happen doesn't mean that you think morality doesn't exist and that the only thing that determines what's good or bad is "might makes right". I do think that "Might makes right" is a little misleading, I prefer the less catchy "might makes things possible but doesn't say anything about whether the thing is good or bad". Might is a tool for your preferred system of belief.
You have a mich nicer perspective on human nature than I do.

Let's amp the question a bit. What is stopping the private military you contracted from killing and robbing you?
 
OK, but I'm not asking about third parties and obstruction.

I'm asking about parents and their children.

Disregard all third parties. Imagine we're living on a Sealand platform, or it's Fallout World, and no other intervening parties are anywhere near. OR, maybe everyone else is a tranny, and doesn't care enough to help.

Do parents have a positive obligation to feed, clothe, or educate their child?
Parents don't magically owe their children goods simply by virtue of their existence. Rights are not claims upon other people's resources, they are boundaries against aggression. Children have the right to not be starved, beaten, or blocked from receiving help. If parents refuse to provide, they forfeit guardianship to others who will.



I am confused. What is stopping me from cracking your head open and stealing your food?
What stops you is the same thing that stops you today: defense, retaliation, and the unbearable costs of living as prey in a world of armed neighbors. Aggression is always possible, the real question is whether it's sustainable.



How would anarcho capitalism deal with marriage?
Marriage is no different from any other association. Property and contract. Parties agree to terms of living, custody, inheritance, and separation, and those terms are enforced as any other contract is, through defense, arbitration, and reputation. The state co-opted marriage for taxation, property seizure, and immigration control. Without that monopoly, it reverts to what it always was, namely a voluntary covenant.



At this point, I have answered the substantive questions. The rest collapses into fatalism or fanfiction. The statist refrain is always the same: "cope harder, it's inevitable". It's not an argument, but surrender disguised as smugness.
There is nothing to be gained by circling the drain with hecklers who mistake sneers for thought. If you have a genuine question, you know where to find me.
 
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