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[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Despite mentioning Devilman previously, I'd never actually watched the series. Its interpretation of Demons is seriously interesting, making them basically fucked up ancient animals, like the Thing. No malice necessarily, just pure instincts to survive. Plus lots of nightmare fuel.
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Then I watched the Netfux sellout bastardization called Crybaby, and it made me want to cry... Not because it was good, but because the horrid "animation" (a stretch to call it that) was so piss poor. It's an exemplar of how far an industry can fall in less than 20 years. Go Nagai weeps.

Behold a "melee" from Crybaby...
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And compare it to just one single 1v1 brawl from the cancelled OVA series 18 years prior.
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I say this as someone not into Devilman, but I feel like people just wanted anything Devilman at that point considering the last actual Devilman anime came out in 1998 with Devilman Lady, & the only other thing since was an anime 3 years before the Netflix one with the crossover OVA Cyborg 009 VS Devilman, & between those 2 came out the most cursed (not ironically, but an unironically accursed by the actual Devil himself) live action film of all time, which became a national issue in Japan.

Lack of non-literary visual media probably led to the Netflix one being so loved. Also, the Devilman no Uta remix is great, as it's the only Devilman thing I know about apart from the OG anime's godly dub & the lore of the 2004 live action film.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thing end with Apollo punishing Athena by stripping her of her divinity so she will die a human with no memories of anything she has done until now, all her saints got spared because they were only following orders but their memories are also wiped out and the Sanctuary has been destroyed with only Aioros will remaining in the rubbles

I don't know SS, but it sounds like the usual setup for tradwife ending

 

[BananaSplit²]

Even obscure, comfy kino anime aren't safe from dogshit crunchyroll "translations".

Someone compiled a list of Crunchyroll examples where they simply fail at basic Japanese

Spoiler: Crunchyroll "translations"

Spice and Wolf: MERCHANT MEETS THE WISE WOLF #6

「あの道を突き当たって右にあがれば」
"If we follow that path and turn right at the end of it"

Spice and Wolf: MERCHANT MEETS THE WISE WOLF #10

「我々は羊の腹の中に金を隠すことで」
"We plan to hide the gold inside the bellies of the sheep"

Reincarnated as the 7th Prince:

「魔力を1割以下にまで抑えたはずなのに」
"I thought I had flattened my mana to less than 10% of its normal strength."

Chillin’ in Another World with Level 2 Super Cheat Powers #8:

「悪夢を振り払おうとがむしゃらだっただけですが」
"Actually, I was just desperate to shake off that nightmare."

Tonari no Yokai-san #1

「正直、先のことで少し不安]
"To be honest, I'm a bit anxious about the future." (Wrong interpretation of 先)

TSUKIMICHI Moonlit Fantasy S2 #11

「第一から第四階梯まで解放」
"Release steps one through four."

The Apothecary Diaries #24:

「女の、母たる記憶はない。今あるのは歪んだ小指だけだ」
"I have no memories of that woman as a mother. All I have now is a crooked little finger."

It just goes to show the meme rings true: you don't hate localizers enough.

Their incompetence is one thing, but it's especially their narcissism and this hostile attitude towards the Japanese media that is really grating.

 

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I did not understand the hype around Crybaby after watching it. The first episode is the only one where anything close to shocking happens, the rest of it is just kind of dumb.
It's possible I didn't get it, but, the whole series is just kind of silly, and the art style completely removes whatever grit there's supposed to be. How can I be shocked or gripped when everything looks so loose and rubbery and weightless?

If there's one thing I appreciate about Crybaby though, it's that it's brave. It adapts devil man in a new contemporary way for the time, and if i don't like it there is plenty of devilman to go around and compare it to. It's a lot like Zelda in that way. It just so happens this minimalist and pastel style didn't work for me.

Devilman crybaby is the worst anime I ever watched and if I see anyone praising it, I consider that person mentally retarded, even more of they consumed other devilman stuff before.

And no, the contemporary way, it adapted fucking sucks, because it was badly made. One example is the delinquent group: in the manga they are literally hooligans who use violence to achieve what they want. In crybaby they are just some wannabe rappers. What is the difference then? First case it was the worst of the worst young people could give, bunch of trash kids that did not fit in. I crybaby you have rapper kids in a series made in the end of the 10's, when hip hop and rap are simply so mainstream and famous that for it to be in a bad light is just impossible.

And why would this matter? Because these kids in the manga are the very few humans that helps the Devilmen instead of shunning them, they went to protect miki against normal frenzied humans and died because of it. The worse of the worst became the best. Something that crybaby fails to depict because it was made by complete retards that even when they had 40 years of devilman adaptations, got literally the worst version.

Jesus fucking christ, devilman crybaby is so bad that the live action film manages to even be less worse than it with their own changes (miko).

And it isn't a matter of being purist, it is a matter of it being complete shit

@Xenomorphs Are Cute

"people just wanted anything Devilman at that point"

Wrong. Devilman got so much material since the 70s, it was never dead at any point. Even the OVA with cyborg 009, which was a crossover, managed to do everything right. It Updated the designs, the fight scenes were excelent, the divided time of the ova when focused on devilman stuff was on point (Jinmen black and white scene)

Now when it comes to animefags only: fuck then, they are worthless, devilman had two great ovas and a bad one in the 90s, that never completed the story, meanwhile devilman in the manga section got various sequels, spinoffs, remakes and reimagines, for fans of it they were great.

That was why I never cared about crybaby before watching, I had zero hype for it. I had so many versions of it that for me at that time, crybaby would be just another one.

Then the first episode happened, I was so shocked at how rushed and bad it was, I had to see it all by myself binging it

I was so mad at the end, that I was running on rage. I hate it so much and it is the only work of fiction that left me like that. How in less than a day, I went from complete apathy to turbo autismo rage, oh shit I was fucking pissed off at it.

I wish I could erase it from my mind, since just thinking about it rots my soul to the core

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Someone compiled a list of Crunchyroll examples where they simply fail at basic Japanese

Spoiler: Crunchyroll "translations"

Spice and Wolf: MERCHANT MEETS THE WISE WOLF #6

「あの道を突き当たって右にあがれば」
"If we follow that path and turn right at the end of it"

Spice and Wolf: MERCHANT MEETS THE WISE WOLF #10

「我々は羊の腹の中に金を隠すことで」
"We plan to hide the gold inside the bellies of the sheep"

Reincarnated as the 7th Prince:

「魔力を1割以下にまで抑えたはずなのに」
"I thought I had flattened my mana to less than 10% of its normal strength."

Chillin’ in Another World with Level 2 Super Cheat Powers #8:

「悪夢を振り払おうとがむしゃらだっただけですが」
"Actually, I was just desperate to shake off that nightmare."

Tonari no Yokai-san #1

「正直、先のことで少し不安]
"To be honest, I'm a bit anxious about the future." (Wrong interpretation of 先)

TSUKIMICHI Moonlit Fantasy S2 #11

「第一から第四階梯まで解放」
"Release steps one through four."

The Apothecary Diaries #24:

「女の、母たる記憶はない。今あるのは歪んだ小指だけだ」
"I have no memories of that woman as a mother. All I have now is a crooked little finger."

Fucking troglodyte, dung-eating, ESLs.

 

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@Cubanodun

As someone from latin america, of course I know my Saint Seiya. Just for reference:

What did I read:
Saint Seiya
Saint Seiya Episode G
Saint Seiya Episode G. - Assassin
Saint Seiya - Saintia Shou
Saint Seiya - The Lost Canvas
Saint Seiya - The Lost Canvas - Meiou Shinwa Gaiden
Saint Seiya - The Lost Canvas - Meiou Shinwa Gaiden Bangai Hen
Saint Seiya - Next Dimension (up to volume 9)
And the first part of Omega.

Saint Seiya as a franchise is a fucking mess. It has one of the coolest concepts executed in one of the worst ways possibles. Every manga that I mentioned here has its problems and it all goes back to the original saint seiya execution: it is incredibly repetitive.

Of all those, the worst is episode G for reasons that just those who experienced it could explain.

As for next dimension, I read it so long ago that I decided to wait until it to conclude and read it all over again because I forgot most of it. I was never one of the saintseiyacanonautists that puts star wars fans to shame at how braindesd they are with it.

And when I started reading ND back then, one of the enjoyable surprises was how weird it was, it had N E W T H I N G S. Something to ponder about since with all those series they repeat the same shit so many times.

Here is one example: this is how saint seiya fights are, do you have how many idea how many pages just like this I did read in all these years? No variation, no innovation, just this over and over again.

Now imagine episode G, that focuses on just the Gold Lio saint. Using the same attack for 20 fucking volumes. With the most eye burning artstyle, the only artist that I ever saw that did a 8 pages spread in the middle of his manga.

And as for Omega: I never finished it because I suck at watching stuff, but I did watch the first part. This is my truest thought: the first part of Omega is the best saint seiya ever got in all these years. Not because it is innovative or even very good, but because it was the one who executed the formula the best.

Because they all are a copy of the same badly executed moments of the original. But with better characterization and worldbuilding.

Saint seiya deserves a reboot that completely destroys all the idea of the original series and makes something new

 

[Cubanodun]

I don't know SS, but it sounds like the usual setup for tradwife ending

The only got that got some kind of wife was Dragon Shiryu, he even has a plot in Next dimension where he forfeit his life as a Saint to live a peaceful life with his wife and adopted son, he forfeit that life because he said he is a warrior and his end should be in battle, the strongest pair Seiya and Athena get nothing, being mindwiped was their reward for surviving 2 apocalypses

Saint seiya deserves a reboot that completely destroys all the idea of the original series and makes something new

The problem is that if you remove the old man you get shit like the Netflix adaption or the live action, there is a reason Lost Canvas was so beloved here because it was Saint Seiya with the modern shonen formula, Omega believe it or not the main complain latin america had was the elemental attributes around cosmos, the erasure of the myth boxes and the armours looked to much like the style of precure for their taste, all of this was solved in the second arc and people returned to praise it

For example the fights of Omega were like this

Omega respected the lore more than any adaptation, sadly because of Kurumada its canonicity status is on the air, it at least acknowledge Hades and Poseidon happened but because the serie was created because Kurumada was slow as fuck making Next dimension (it took him freaking 18 years to finish 118 episodes) it doesn't acknowledge the new lore, my bros are in the side that Tenkai hen but not by Kurumada will happen someday but also believe the ending of next dimension was cringe, i however believe Seiya made the right call because 1) His asspulls were a thing that require a lot of luck to pull off and require complex requirements to do it and 2) when Athena was judged and he arrived he meet with Apollo and Artemis present with all their armies on Olympus no less, there was no way for him to win

Also forgot to add Kurumada was supposed to make a entire lore about the One Winged Angel and he did nothing except being clapped by Cygnus and Dragon

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

the strongest pair Seiya and Athena get nothing, being mindwiped was their reward for surviving 2 apocalypses

God damn, not even a chance meeting with "do I know you" that's brutal.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

2.5D Seduction looks like it’s going to be a great anime, especially since I found out it was going to have 24 episodes. I even read a third of the manga, and it’s been a long time since both Ecchi fan service and actual real comedy can work in the new age.

Spoiler: Fun fact

I also found out that the One Piece creator, Eiichiro Oda, called it one of his favorite manga(s) last year, so it must be something special.

 

[Cubanodun]

We cant catch a break with the other latin american pillar getting trounced on the new Grendizer anime



To be fair the Mazinger getting destroyed is kinda of a thing since its original series, it got destroyed in his series, in his movie, in the go nagai shorts, in Mazinkaizer and in Shin mazinger z

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Isekai

Seems like every isekai anime is about some guy (or more rarely a gal) with a crappy life, who gets "Truck-kun'd" to yet another medieval Europe-like world where it's like living in something like a Dragon Quest game. How about some variety, like a Stone Age world without civilization, or living in a space colony with futuristic technology*?

* Futurama is sorta like a Western futuristic isekai with Fry.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

Has Gege just given up?
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Even for a weekly, this art is straight-up ass.

It's always looked bad, this panel actually looks better than most. Dude's action just looks like a storyboard made under the assumption it'll be animated eventually. He's always trying to convey motion instead of capturing moments in time and to be fair, I actually can see what he's trying to convey which makes him better at it than most who do the same but it pretty much always looks like shit in my opinion.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Any recommendations for fan servicy manga along the lines of 100 girlfriends who really really love you? I want to get into the seinen ecchi/harem thing, the stuff which twitter calls problematic

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Any recommendations for fan servicy manga along the lines of 100 girlfriends who really really love you? I want to get into the seinen ecchi/harem thing, the stuff which twitter calls problematic

This is probably controversial, but how about Domestic Girlfriend? Hige Hiro is another one. Both don't feature harems though. There's a singular romantic interest in both.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Seems like every isekai anime is about some guy (or more rarely a gal) with a crappy life, who gets "Truck-kun'd" to yet another medieval Europe-like world where it's like living in something like a Dragon Quest game. How about some variety, like a Stone Age world without civilization, or living in a space colony with futuristic technology*?

* Futurama is sorta like a Western futuristic isekai with Fry.

Isekai as a genre exists as long as humanity heard of a story of some local gigachad who went to explore the frontier, killed some big critter and fucked a lot of women. The disturbing thing about modern isekai is how, rather than be based on adventure and curiosity, it is based on cynicism and despair. You aren't exploring a new world, you are in your Dragon Quest hugbox where every thing you blame you lacked in life is served to you on a silver platter. If the 2000's had a lot of optimistic manga for schoolchildren, the 2010's is when they are completely devoid of life goals and are a step away from ending it all.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Seems like every isekai anime is about some guy (or more rarely a gal) with a crappy life, who gets "Truck-kun'd" to yet another medieval Europe-like world where it's like living in something like a Dragon Quest game. How about some variety, like a Stone Age world without civilization, or living in a space colony with futuristic technology*?

* Futurama is sorta like a Western futuristic isekai with Fry.

I mean, everyone conflates Isekai into one storyline, and to be fair there is a lot of unoriginal settings that are just Dragon Quest/Fantasy Star Online but if you look around there is a lot of variety. Like the Stone Age setting isekai is Dr. Stone, Now and Then, Here and There is a futuristic isekai as examples

The problem with the omniisekai setting fundamentally is that it misinterprets the point of the genre. The point of an isekai is that you take someone and shove them into another world, a fish out of water story. You're supposed to be forced to learn new things about yourself and the people around you. But too many of them are some fucking shut in nerd that played too much MMO and he has been injected into a fantasy setting that operates on MMO logic and his willingness to spend 2000 hours grinding boars or just being given hacks by god that will finally get them rewarded with elf titties.

Basically if you go the omniisekai route you can still be entertaining but you have to rely on cast more like a slice of life then a battle shonen. Watching Rimeru from Slime-guy splat an entire army isn't interesting, watching the supporting cast interacting with each other as Rimeru tries to make Tokyo2 in the middle of middle ages fantasy Black Forest can be pretty fun though.

 

[Another Random]

We cant catch a break with the other latin american pillar getting trounced on the new Grendizer anime

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To be fair the Mazinger getting destroyed is kinda of a thing since its original series, it got destroyed in his series, in his movie, in the go nagai shorts, in Mazinkaizer and in Shin mazinger z

It was either this or Kouji building a spaceship to try and befriend aliens only to get attacked and having to be saved by the new guy.

Now comes the point of debate of all of this that has latin america to the point of war in the end the Athena of the past managed to remove the sword from Seiya, and she and her bronze saints finally return to the present , sadly the gods are furious to her because she almost destroyed all the universe for a single human, Artemis judge her that she need to be jailed for 100 years and her saints needed to be eradicated and the sanctuary destroyed, Apollo appears and complain this is to little and want Athena killed for what she did, after all of this Seiya appear and do the most dumb thing he has done in all this years, he kowtow to Apollo to ask for mercy, people was outright disgusted by this because this is Seiya the man that managed to beat 2 fucking gods with his bare hands and everyone believed he was going to repeat the fight he did with him on the Tenkai hen movie

Apollo didn't want her to be killed, he was going to make her into a handmaiden slave to all the Gods for like 3000 years and genocide all of humanity instead, and he belittles Seiya because in his view there's literally no amount of human lives worth that of a god. Rest of the argument is still fair though, because GODS.

And to think this was actually what Kurumada had in mind from the beginning, based on interviews from years ago. Yes, he wanted the Heaven Chapter to end like this. I don't hate him - kinda hard to be honest - but someone needs to make their own Saint Seiya in terms of 'warriors with thematic armors who fight evil'. The only other options are too old, like Samurai Troopers or Shurato.

 

[Trollblade69]

Jujutsu Kaisen art exhibition happened yesterday. Details in this Twitter thread.
The mangaka pretty much admits that he killed off Nobara in a planned story decision. Which honestly sucks, since editor-mandated character or not, she was still cool and likable, not to mention the only chick in JJK worth drawing porn of. Killing her off back in 2020 sapped away all my interest in the manga and is why I stopped reading after the Shibuya arc.

 

[God of Nothing]

Jujutsu Kaisen art exhibition happened yesterday. Details in this Twitter thread.
The mangaka pretty much admits that he killed off Nobara in a planned story decision. Which honestly sucks, since editor-mandated character or not, she was still cool and likable, not to mention the only chick in JJK worth drawing porn of. Killing her off back in 2020 sapped away all my interest in the manga and is why I stopped reading after the Shibuya arc.

JJK is a giant cautionary tale of sorts for other writers. I'd say it'd be easier to point to what went well with it more than what went wrong if there was anything really well done. Sukuna, as much as I may like him, only stands out as well as he does because everyone else is so trash. Think about what has actually happened during the story. Really, what was accomplished? Even Shibuya was just meaningless setup for the next arc. The people it killed off had no personal or narrative arcs to themselves. They just existed for the sake of it.
For fuck's sake, almost everyone who shows up in that arc is completely fucking useless.

 

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@Cubanodun

"was the elemental attributes around cosmos, the erasure of the myth boxes and the armours looked"

This was always such a shit argument, and it all originates from the mistake that was the first french translation to use Knights and Armors instead of Saints and Cloths.

You get retarded people wanting it to be armor and they to be militaristic pseudo knights instead of what it really is: fucking magic.

Then you have retarded people using these false terms to their hearts instead of the more abrangent terms of the original. And they complain about superficial stuff like the absence of the uber eats box in favor of magic pendants. Or people complaining about elemental aspects of cosmos fucking retards, what do you think Hyoga or Ikki were doing? They had it before, and it didnt made sense even back then.

I to this day refuse to use the translation terms since those are retarded and misleading to something that it isn't.

"Lost Canvas was so beloved here because it was Saint Seiya with the modern shonen formula"
Wrong, because I wish it was, it had the same battles of the original, ending in the same way, with zero inventive thought like Naruto would do, it was the same shit with new dolls to bash it.

"Kurumada was slow as fuck making Next dimension (it took him freaking 18 years to finish 118 episodes)"

Wrong again, kurumada was never slow, he just had way more interest in doing his other manga, he had enough of saint seiya already and would do 1 volume per year due to contracts, he even had a season to do. Now check out his other works, 8 volumes in 3 years, just because he wanted to. Saint Seiya is a cash cow, not something that he enjoys making it and pursues seriously like his other works.

Unless someone completely rebuilds Saint Seiya, all we will ever get is the same mediocrity that we got so far. (The one I was mote pissed off was the Saintia Sho, where instead of having an adventure with the girls, we had an interquel with gold saint bullshit instead of the girls, quite a shame since I loved Chimaki Kuori artsyle)

I didnt read the recent ones, but one of the best takes was some of the lost canvas gaiden, where they would explore new stuff instead of retreading the same ground.

Every new adaptation (the american one, the live action one, the soul of gold) is just retreading the same ground without an inch of originality. For 40 fucking years. It is all so tiresome