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Involuntary Celebrity said:
sounds like you just aren't far enough in yet. Maybe you should stop reading if you aren't enjoying it but if you continue you might have to apologise later (you won't but it's not really worth debating).
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120 chapters in. Nothing has changed. The combat still sucks and the villains are still boring, with "I'm emotionless but am still intrigued by emotions, a shame I never managed to find emotion in the end" being the furthest it gets. Honestly if the story wants to reinforce over and over again how demons only talk for the sake of deception and attrition, then I'd rather they didn't talk at all. Feels like a telltale sign of mangaka exhaustion - fill up panel space with exposition and related dialogue so you won't have to draw as much. Things might have gotten interesting when Frieren went to the past, but really it was just boring and more of the same.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
All hallmarks of isekai
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Narou-kei get all self-righteous about it, though.
"Oh I'm not simply buying a slave, I'm freeing her from slavery because I'm gonna be one of the good masters who feeds her instead of treating her like inexpensive cattle, and when I grope or fuck her without asking she's totally okay with it because she loves me! And so do the other half-dozen women I've stumbled upon in my travels and personally forced into slavery!"
If there's a real lesson I wish they'd learn from Dragon Quest III, it's that party members are completely replacable and it's fine to swap them out of it entirely once in a while. And also that the male gender exists and it'd be fine to let members shack up with each other instead of all be (You)rs.
 
Trollblade69 said:
120 chapters in. Nothing has changed. The combat still sucks and the villains are still boring, with "I'm emotionless but am still intrigued by emotions, a shame I never managed to find emotion in the end" being the furthest it gets.
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Maybe this is just something the anime does better, but I never saw her as emotionless at all. She just doesn't show them nearly as readily(unless it involves looking smug). There's no shortage of scenes where she's clearly having fun and enjoying herself. She's a reserved, cranky old fuck in a youthful body, with a hint of mischievousness. That's her character.

The point isn't to learn emotions per se, but to better understand the human experience. She has no idea what it's like to have so little time in the world and as a consequence she failed to understand what she had until she lost it. She wants to appreciate humans better as a means of coming to terms with her loss. That's how I interpreted the whole thing.
 
WULULULULU said:
I can't comprehend how he fucked up the ending of the manga. Hayasaka and Ishigami were robbed of their characterizations and a good ending.
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Don't fucking remind me...
Trollblade69 said:
and the villains are universally characterized as killbots with no desires who only seek to kill out of racial obligation.
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After being reminded of the shit that Promised Neverland was, I find it refreshing the demons are just fucking demons and at the best of times, the best you can achieve is to have them live as far away as possible from you.

You already forced fed yourself to hate it by reading 120 chapters (seriously dude, after 20-30 hou are more than entitled to stop) so saying this is pointless, but the anime does wonders with music and adding more emoting. Since I started with the manga after finishing the anime, stoic face syndrome goes hard and it's something the anime softens up. Though I get plenty of expresion from Frieren and Fern, it's just Frieren is aloof and detached to a degree and Fern is very stern to a fault.

As far as I concerned, I loved it and it's been one of the most enjoyable stories I've followed in a long time. But I just really like the sort of meandering style it has and how subdued it all is.
 
ShitLurker said:
seriously dude, after 20-30 hou are more than entitled to stop
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If I did stop at 30 or so chapters in, then people would tell me it gets better and it's my own fault for refusing to keep on going.
And then I do keep pushing on so I can either look into those claims or debunk them and people tell me "why did you keep reading if you hate it so much?". Fucking Catch-22s.

A faithful adaptation is only as good as its source material. Nobody does Trigun-style adaptations anymore, they all got scared off after Soul Eater. And I LIKED Soul Eater's original stuff!
 
Nobody would care. I did tell you to stop.

ShitLurker said:
I find it refreshing the demons are just fucking demons and at the best of times, the best you can achieve is to have them live as far away as possible from you.
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ya it's a nice change of pace that the two 'enlightened' ones we've seen who want to open minds or whatever are still completely amoral bloodthirsty motherfuckers for once. Demons are totally misunderstood and shit I guess but they'll still torture babies just for the fuck of it.

DrearyDoomguy said:
Maybe this is just something the anime does better, but I never saw her as emotionless at all. She just doesn't show them nearly as readily(unless it involves looking smug). There's no shortage of scenes where she's clearly having fun and enjoying herself. She's a reserved, cranky old fuck in a youthful body, with a hint of mischievousness. That's her character.

The point isn't to learn emotions per se, but to better understand the human experience. She has no idea what it's like to have so little time in the world and as a consequence she failed to understand what she had until she lost it. She wants to appreciate humans better as a means of coming to terms with her loss. That's how I interpreted the whole thing.
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Yeah, she's clearly not emotionless (the story kind of revolves around her having them, even) and has more goofy cartoon shorthand signpost expressions than anyone else so I can't imagine the level of spergitude necessary to think otherwise.
She's old, mysterious, and kind of inscrutable when she wants to be, but even though she spent most of her life--as far as we know anyway--being raised as a weapon or living as a hermit or nomad, she has the age and wisdom to have found her own way to deal with people. You're meant to contrast that with Fern who has also lived in near-isolation her whole life and has never had a friend her own age, so while she's well put-together has some major difficulty processing her own emotions (Frieren understanding her part in that and taking responsibility for it). The author acknowledges it's deliberate by shining a light on it with the temporary priest character, but doesn't exposit beyond that.
And the series is full of things like that which you're meant to be able to relate to if you recognise them, but won't spell em out otherwise.
 
Trollblade69 said:
If I did stop at 30 or so chapters in, then people would tell me it gets better and it's my own fault for refusing to keep on going.
And then I do keep pushing on so I can either look into those claims or debunk them and people tell me "why did you keep reading if you hate it so much?". Fucking Catch-22s.
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Then you say "it just wasn't to my liking" and if they insist, you politely tell them to choke on dicks and fuck off. No sense wasting your time on something you don't enjoy. I tried reading Samurai Deeper Kyo "it totally gets better" jesus fuck what a meandering piece of shit with shit string drawing, at around 40 I tapped out and never looked back
Trollblade69 said:
A faithful adaptation is only as good as its source material.
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I'm usually a manga purist but Frieren is one of the few that is enhanced by the anime. But yes, if you don't care for the source, the anime shouldn't change things for you.
Trollblade69 said:
Nobody does Trigun-style adaptations anymore, they all got scared off after Soul Eater. And I LIKED Soul Eater's original stuff!
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Trigun was a whole different breed... I still have to read the manga, but the anime is one of my favorites. One of the few stories in general that tries to tackle the cost of being a "pacifist".

Soul Eater I enjoyed both versions, though it was always so crazy that it could get away with a lot of random shit that would kill other manga/anime. Ending the manga with what amounts to a boob joke would be classified as "bold and deranged" in most circles.
 
Mysterious Girlfriend X said:
I don't watch Bang Dream!, but I love the songs from it.

Especially Roselia.
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first season is basically k-on 2.0, otherwise it's mostly backstory for the bands/CGDCT/drama, some of it are retelling of the ingame events iirc. it's nice if you're interested in the (fictional) characters.

it has it's moments tho:
the thought that the shy nerdy animu girl listens to slayer and megadeth is pretty funny.
 
Involuntary Celebrity said:
Yeah, she's clearly not emotionless (the story kind of revolves around her having them, even) and has more goofy cartoon shorthand signpost expressions than anyone else so I can't imagine the level of spergitude necessary to think otherwise.
She's old, mysterious, and kind of inscrutable when she wants to be, but even though she spent most of her life--as far as we know anyway--being raised as a weapon or living as a hermit or nomad, she has the age and wisdom to have found her own way to deal with people. You're meant to contrast that with Fern who has also lived in near-isolation her whole life and has never had a friend her own age, so while she's well put-together has some major difficulty processing her own emotions (Frieren understanding her part in that and taking responsibility for it). The author acknowledges it's deliberate by shining a light on it with the temporary priest character, but doesn't exposit beyond that.
And the series is full of things like that which you're meant to be able to relate to if you recognise them, but won't spell em out otherwise.
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It has it's cute moments
 
Trollblade69 said:
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What the hell is this?! Why are there EIGHT DIGIT NUMBERS in this popularity poll?! How was this poll compiled?!?!?
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I don't know anything about how this poll actually worked but the numbers are "points", not the number of people who voted, so I suspect that it's probably something like a system each respondent could vote for a certain number of characters, with each voter's top ranked character worth the most points and each subsequent character being awarded fewer points than the one above, sort of like ranked ballots in real world elections.
 
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A slightly off beat request. I love Ghost in the Shell and Innocence. Great films. Masterpieces. Everything. But I'm a little weird in how I enjoy those films. When I watch the original, it has to be the original English dub. That's the version I prefer largely because a few lines are radically different in the Japanese and I just prefer the interpretation that the English translator(s) prepared). Now with Innocence I'm the exact opposite, I need to watch the original in Japanese with subs.

I'm looking for subs for the original GiTS but for the English dub instead of a translation.
 
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