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>talking shit about absolute kino
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M6UbADLNFIkjust imagine the absolute brass balls telling nu-disney "fuck physics, fuck your lore, RULE OF COOL CRANKED UP TO 11 THIS IS HOW WE ROLL"
Nah fuck that gay shit. It's still part of nu-Disney canon. Eps 1-6 + Expanded Universe will always be Star Wars.
hey now, I can understand people having issues with shinkai, but that comparison is a bit harsh. for one shinkai's movies just work fine without it, if people even notice any commentary (like what's it in suzume, people leave places, tsunami's and disasters suck?). peele's stuff could be good but he likes to smear his shit all over himself thinking it's something profound telling viewers "white people bad mkay"
I like harsh criticism. Especially towards a director that almost everyone considers a darling (looking at you Christopher Nolan).
 
Was one of the idiots suckered by the manage when it was all about the orphanage, my god what a nosedive. Stopped reading out of tedium and then flipped through the last couple of chapters and was absolutely flabergasted with the ending they went with.
It doesn't help that the main character is so fucking generic (despite being played off as being just as smart as the other two) that she effectively says halfway into the end the equivalent of, "Look, I know (insert real life dictator here) killed a lot of people and ruined a lot of lives. But, they were doing it for a good purpose. They just wanted all of the unnecessary bloodshed to end."

I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what she said. That one line made me pause to read it again and again.
 
It doesn't help that the main character is so fucking generic (despite being played off as being just as smart as the other two) that she effectively says halfway into the end the equivalent of, "Look, I know (insert real life dictator here) killed a lot of people and ruined a lot of lives. But, they were doing it for a good purpose. They just wanted all of the unnecessary bloodshed to end."

I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what she said. That one line made me pause to read it again and again.
You cannot have a "X is misunderstood" story when X eats children like pickled plums, you simply cannot. That there is a subset of a subset of a subset that would be willing to cooperate (maybe) does not suddenly change everything. Basically, Norman was absolutely right and if anything, he should have gone in harder. And then Ray loses any sense of autonomy and just becomes Emma's simp.

And yeah, when Emma was pushing the whole "lets be fwiends" angle I fully tapped out, though it had been a slog for a long time.
 
You cannot have a "X is misunderstood" story when X eats children like pickled plums, you simply cannot. That there is a subset of a subset of a subset that would be willing to cooperate (maybe) does not suddenly change everything. Basically, Norman was absolutely right and if anything, he should have gone in harder. And then Ray loses any sense of autonomy and just becomes Emma's simp.

And yeah, when Emma was pushing the whole "lets be fwiends" angle I fully tapped out, though it had been a slog for a long time.
It also had a panel with Covid. Covid!
 
Most of the new studios are shit, go back to Gainax Madhouse and other 90s studios which knew how to handle lighting and shading properly.
This. Even for the shows I lauded earlier - the production values are beyond poor at this point in the global depression. Backgrounds are flat, everything else is a CGI abomination to try (and fail) to save money, and the characters are the lowest detailed they've ever been. Even the most glowing bones/madhouse moment these days is a far cry from the old days - the old days without wacom tablets, without digital cheats, and without easy-to-use digital animation software.
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The opening of Trigun still stuns me because those over-worked japanese fucks had to frame by frame paint, place, and sequence every single cel of that old west shootout.
 
This. Even for the shows I lauded earlier - the production values are beyond poor at this point in the global depression. Backgrounds are flat, everything else is a CGI abomination to try (and fail) to save money, and the characters are the lowest detailed they've ever been. Even the most glowing bones/madhouse moment these days is a far cry from the old days - the old days without wacom tablets, without digital cheats, and without easy-to-use digital animation software.
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The opening of Trigun still stuns me because those over-worked japanese fucks had to frame by frame paint, place, and sequence every single cel of that old west shootout.
The worst part for me personally is post processing effects. They try to compensate authentic colors, lighting and shading with fucking bloom and particle effects, like its a video game. It looks fucking awful, even ignoring the awful designs and coloring. 90s lighting and coloring combined with the thick linework is just unmatched, Takeshi Koike felt like a stylistic evolution of the 90s but after 2010 everything went to shit. Even the worst 90s anime, something like Vampire Wars, looks better than most anime today.
 
David Production's JoJo's Bizarre Adventure might be the last hurrah in terms of what anime is, thinking about it, but that might just be because JoJo is so stylistic that it actively calls for artistic liberty. And you can tell they actually have a love for the source material and the medium of animation, it just oozes from the screen even during the more derpy moments in the broadcast version. So much so, they legit go back to edit it for the Blu-Ray releases, like who willingly does that these days? Most studios have to get publicly reamed in order to do that.

And I understand the worry about CGI horses for Steel Ball Run, which is why I'm thinking they're going to be taking their sweet-ass time to make it look good before any episodes get announced for release. CGI in anime was inevitable, might as well get creative and stylize it when you use it.
 
It doesn't help that the main character is so fucking generic (despite being played off as being just as smart as the other two) that she effectively says halfway into the end the equivalent of, "Look, I know (insert real life dictator here) killed a lot of people and ruined a lot of lives. But, they were doing it for a good purpose. They just wanted all of the unnecessary bloodshed to end."

I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what she said. That one line made me pause to read it again and again.
You cannot have a "X is misunderstood" story when X eats children like pickled plums, you simply cannot. That there is a subset of a subset of a subset that would be willing to cooperate (maybe) does not suddenly change everything. Basically, Norman was absolutely right and if anything, he should have gone in harder. And then Ray loses any sense of autonomy and just becomes Emma's simp.

And yeah, when Emma was pushing the whole "lets be fwiends" angle I fully tapped out, though it had been a slog for a long time.
Am I to understand that The Promised Neverland has the same ending as Steven Universe?
 
This. Even for the shows I lauded earlier - the production values are beyond poor at this point in the global depression. Backgrounds are flat, everything else is a CGI abomination to try (and fail) to save money, and the characters are the lowest detailed they've ever been. Even the most glowing bones/madhouse moment these days is a far cry from the old days - the old days without wacom tablets, without digital cheats, and without easy-to-use digital animation software.
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The opening of Trigun still stuns me because those over-worked japanese fucks had to frame by frame paint, place, and sequence every single cel of that old west shootout.
Man the closest to that feeling of stylized animation was Boy and the Heron and that was just only Ghibli and last year. I can't imagine how gun animations are in the modern anime industry.
 
This. Even for the shows I lauded earlier - the production values are beyond poor at this point in the global depression. Backgrounds are flat, everything else is a CGI abomination to try (and fail) to save money, and the characters are the lowest detailed they've ever been. Even the most glowing bones/madhouse moment these days is a far cry from the old days - the old days without wacom tablets, without digital cheats, and without easy-to-use digital animation software.
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The opening of Trigun still stuns me because those over-worked japanese fucks had to frame by frame paint, place, and sequence every single cel of that old west shootout.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - CGI absolutely can look good if the people utilizing it know what the fuck they're doing. Knights of Sidonia has fantastic actions scenes using almost entirely CGI, albeit with clever tricks to minimize their reliance on the jerky motion.
This does not, however, apply when it's being used to animate characters. Never do that.
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The posing here looks horribly stiff and unnatural. This is a persistent problem throughout the series. Additionally, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE?
 
David Production's JoJo's Bizarre Adventure might be the last hurrah in terms of what anime is, thinking about it, but that might just be because JoJo is so stylistic that it actively calls for artistic liberty. And you can tell they actually have a love for the source material and the medium of animation, it just oozes from the screen even during the more derpy moments in the broadcast version. So much so, they legit go back to edit it for the Blu-Ray releases, like who willingly does that these days? Most studios have to get publicly reamed in order to do that.
93 OVA is still better, had an episode directed by Satoshi Kon as well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - CGI absolutely can look good if the people utilizing it know what the fuck they're doing. Knights of Sidonia has fantastic actions scenes using almost entirely CGI, albeit with clever tricks to minimize their reliance on the jerky motion.
This does not, however, apply when it's being used to animate characters. Never do that.
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The posing here looks horribly stiff and unnatural. This is a persistent problem throughout the series. Additionally, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE?
So basically 90s Disney with their Deepcanvas shit, I like that but I like watercolor backgrounds better.
 
This does not, however, apply when it's being used to animate characters. Never do that.
I think most places are using motion-capture when it comes to this to save time. Unless you go in there to tweak the in-betweens, it's going to look weird.
 
I think most places are using motion-capture when it comes to this to save time. Unless you go in there to tweak the in-betweens, it's going to look weird.
It's not even the in-between, the actual resting poses look off. Notice the figure folding her arms. her arms are clearly hovering over her body. Her right hand is just dangling rather than being wrapped around her upper body like you'd expect when folding your arms. the guy resting his hands on the desk has his elbows flaring out way too far and is merely resting his hands on the desk rather than his forearms. This would make sense for the hand he's using to point at the paper but for the other arm it just looks weird. Their poses are just fundamentally too loose. It looks robotic.
I think it's all a symptom of CGI character models being unable to fold their limbs too tightly without causing unnatural distortions in the model.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - CGI absolutely can look good if the people utilizing it know what the fuck they're doing. Knights of Sidonia has fantastic actions scenes using almost entirely CGI, albeit with clever tricks to minimize their reliance on the jerky motion.
This does not, however, apply when it's being used to animate characters. Never do that.
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The posing here looks horribly stiff and unnatural. This is a persistent problem throughout the series. Additionally, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE?

CGI in characters can only look good when the characters are inhuman by nature. The CGI in the Blame! movie worked because everyone was some variety of android or monster so the jerky, uncanny movements didn't take you out of it.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - CGI absolutely can look good if the people utilizing it know what the fuck they're doing. Knights of Sidonia has fantastic actions scenes using almost entirely CGI, albeit with clever tricks to minimize their reliance on the jerky motion.
This does not, however, apply when it's being used to animate characters. Never do that.
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The posing here looks horribly stiff and unnatural. This is a persistent problem throughout the series. Additionally, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAACE?
bang dream has been using full CGI since season 2, animating characters isn't really the problem anymore. it's still noticeable but necessary saturday morning cartoon level.
in return you can get away with stuff that would be unfeasible doing by hand in 2d
they're cheating here since live performances are rotoscoped so you get movement you couldn't replicate easily in 2d, but all the panning shots, lightnings effects, clothes reacting to physics and instruments would completely blow the budget, while not that hard in CGI.
 
It also had a panel with Covid. Covid!
Wait, what? I need a screenshot of that.
Am I to understand that The Promised Neverland has the same ending as Steven Universe?
Pretty much. I don't remember the details since I only skimmed through it, but the Mary Sue sacrifices her memories and that... fixes things somehow and she's supposed to live alone but is instantly found by the other orphans. So standard copout ending.
 
bang dream has been using full CGI since season 2, animating characters isn't really the problem anymore. it's still noticeable but necessary saturday morning cartoon level.
in return you can get away with stuff that would be unfeasible doing by hand in 2d
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-PRjas_vdoQthey're cheating here since live performances are rotoscoped so you get movement you couldn't replicate easily in 2d, but all the panning shots, lightnings effects, clothes reacting to physics and instruments would completely blow the budget, while not that hard in CGI.
I don't watch Bang Dream!, but I love the songs from it.

Especially Roselia.
 
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