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Atomsk said:
I just finished reading Dorohedoro and the last nearly 70 chapters were just a huge slog, it was an incredible disappointment considering that I liked it so much, it could have became an absolute favorite if it stayed as good as it was. Has this happened to anyone else where you really fucking loved a manga but this after a certain point, it kind of ruined itself for you? Another example I can think of for me is Kengen Ashura, I absolutely fucking loved that manga until about the last 1/5th where all the worst people who I didn't give a single shit about made their way through the tournament and the subplots came to a head and all ended up being terrible. It just makes me fucking depressed when something shows potential to be fucking amazing but falls flat on it's face towards the end or there's a piece of something that's really fucking good but it's marred by so many other issues when it was totally possible for the entire package to be great but it just wasn't.
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This is a pretty prevalent problem in general because of how manga is written. Weekly/monthly serialization doesn't incentivize long, overarching plots, but it does incentivize the illusion of a long, overarching plot to keep readers coming back, so what you often get is the author introducing new plot points that SEEM like they're gonna be relevant, except in reality they don't actually have any fucking idea how they're going to end the story so it ends up dragging its feet for a while before ending unceremoniously.

In no particular order, off the top of my head from manga I've read:
- Jojolion: One of the worst offenders of this. Includes a "flash forward" chapter that kept fans waiting for literal years seeing how the hell the current story could possibly progress in a way such that it aligns with the flash forward, only for it to be revealed (by virtue of the manga ending without it being addressed at all) that it had been silently retconned. Spents the first half of the manga building up an interesting world and intriguing mysteries, only for it to all get thrown out after the midway point because it's clear Araki had no idea how he was going to end his story.
- Terraformars: Degrades heavily past the midway point, with plot armor out the ass for all the main characters. I actually think it did manage to pull together a decent ending though.
- Gantz: Really started dragging on after a hundred or so chapters, some of the later fights are such a slog to read through. I feel just as exasperated as the characters when it turns out the monster they're fighting has yet another transformation after they seemingly killed it for the tenth time.
- Prison School: Literally should've ended after the second arc.
- Attack on Titan: Need I even say more?

And that's literally just the shit I can immediately list off.'

My two favorite non-manga examples I always bring up are Homestuck and ASOIAF. Being able to tell a serialized story with a cohesive overarching plot is incredibly difficult, and takes an exceptional writer to pull off.
 
Freddie Mars said:
Is dubbing anime (as opposed to subbing it) actually profitable? I realize that anime is more mainstream now than it was in the days of downloading fansubs over dial-up, but it is still quite a niche industry, yes?
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I'd assume so for the companies involved. Especially historically, companies were able to bulk license titles for fairly cheap (in many cases far less than they're probably worth, given Japanese license holders have barely changed their rates since the 90s) and then dub them with an expendable cast of voice actors who barely make anything and have to scrounge around at conventions and online to even have the slightest chance at a middle-class lifestyle. I've heard audio engineers and other staff aren't making much either. But the management and other higher-ups at these dubbing companies are making bank because their licensing model ensures they're getting a decent hit or two a season and they aren't spending much.

And these companies can also keep milking their mega-hits, like Funimation and Dragonball Z. 4Kids tried to do this with Pokemon and Yugioh but got fucked with licensing and went bankrupt at a result.
 
Registration said:
Dorohedoro was great. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, some years ago Q Hayashida said it was going to end in the next volume and if she did, it would be fucking terrible, because lots of things that she worked on before weren't very developed to end so soon. Good thing that she changed her mind and added I guess 3 or 4 volumes more than she intended.

And it was great, I prefer to be kinda sloggish to cut early (not that I think Dorohedoro was sloggish, it was actually quite well ended, I just remember only other manga that gives time to breath in the end without ending it so soon)
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I don't wanna write an entire blog post about why I didn't care much for nearly half of the series but a lot of the characters being underdeveloped and without any real character arc by the end is part of what disappointed me, Dorohedoro had an amazing cast of characters but the En family was scuffed to all hell and did very little for the rest of the series after En dies except maybe for Fujita. I think Q Hayashida could have ended it by chapter 100 - 120 if she wanted to, almost all of the series major mysteries were solved by chapter 100 and all that really remained was to deal with Kai/Holey which was another big issue, the final battle sucked big dick for a lot of reasons but the biggest one was how badly they ruined Kai and turned him into Holey who was an extremely lame villain, lacking absolutely everything I liked about Kai. If you wanna talk more about it then we can speak in DM's because I don't wanna argue for pages about why I thought shit got bad and I won't be a dick about it, I absolutely loved this manga up until about chapter 100 so if you can convince me to love the entire thing then I lose nothing.
Gar For Archer said:
This is a pretty prevalent problem in general because of how manga is written. Weekly/monthly serialization doesn't incentivize long, overarching plots, but it does incentivize the illusion of a long, overarching plot to keep readers coming back, so what you often get is the author introducing new plot points that SEEM like they're gonna be relevant, except in reality they don't actually have any fucking idea how they're going to end the story so it ends up dragging its feet for a while before ending unceremoniously.

In no particular order, off the top of my head from manga I've read:
- Jojolion: One of the worst offenders of this. Includes a "flash forward" chapter that kept fans waiting for literal years seeing how the hell the current story could possibly progress in a way such that it aligns with the flash forward, only for it to be revealed (by virtue of the manga ending without it being addressed at all) that it had been silently retconned. Spents the first half of the manga building up an interesting world and intriguing mysteries, only for it to all get thrown out after the midway point because it's clear Araki had no idea how he was going to end his story.
- Terraformars: Degrades heavily past the midway point, with plot armor out the ass for all the main characters. I actually think it did manage to pull together a decent ending though.
- Gantz: Really started dragging on after a hundred or so chapters, some of the later fights are such a slog to read through. I feel just as exasperated as the characters when it turns out the monster they're fighting has yet another transformation after they seemingly killed it for the tenth time.
- Prison School: Literally should've ended after the second arc.
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I mean, all series have their weak arcs. I'm a big fan of One Piece and it definitely has entire arcs I don't like at all that were a pain to get through like Thriller Bark and Fishman Island, it just sucks so much more when the final arc is the bad one. I mean, I'd honestly chalk it up to burn-out and bad luck more than anything since these people could keep their manga good for so long but then fumble the ending. I don't agree with you on Gantz though, I fucking loved that manga from beginning to end even if the final arc with the giant aliens wasn't as strong as the rest of the series. The part you're describing about the alien with a million transformations was actually one of my favorite parts of the entire series, it took fucking forever to kill that thing but it was fun to watch them try all the while and satisfying once they actually fucking did it. Gantz is definitely a top favorite for me even with all those subplots that went nowhere at all, it entertained me in a way no other manga has and I couldn't stop reading. I also liked Prison School all the way through but you're right that they could have ended it much earlier if they were just gonna leave it as open ended as they did, I personally thought ending the series by Kiyoshi pissing in Chiyo's face and cucking her which then resulted in her turning into a femcel was pretty fucking funny though, like I wasn't mad at all. I was just kinda sad for Meiko and Kate.
 
Jinmen said:
Is the Riki-Oh manga any good? I need some violent, 80s era seinen.
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its ok. its pretty repetitive. especially if you consoomed fist of the north star.

Gar For Archer said:
This is a pretty prevalent problem in general because of how manga is written. Weekly/monthly serialization doesn't incentivize long, overarching plots, but it does incentivize the illusion of a long, overarching plot to keep readers coming back, so what you often get is the author introducing new plot points that SEEM like they're gonna be relevant, except in reality they don't actually have any fucking idea how they're going to end the story so it ends up dragging its feet for a while before ending unceremoniously.

In no particular order, off the top of my head from manga I've read:
- Jojolion: One of the worst offenders of this. Includes a "flash forward" chapter that kept fans waiting for literal years seeing how the hell the current story could possibly progress in a way such that it aligns with the flash forward, only for it to be revealed (by virtue of the manga ending without it being addressed at all) that it had been silently retconned. Spents the first half of the manga building up an interesting world and intriguing mysteries, only for it to all get thrown out after the midway point because it's clear Araki had no idea how he was going to end his story.
- Terraformars: Degrades heavily past the midway point, with plot armor out the ass for all the main characters. I actually think it did manage to pull together a decent ending though.
- Gantz: Really started dragging on after a hundred or so chapters, some of the later fights are such a slog to read through. I feel just as exasperated as the characters when it turns out the monster they're fighting has yet another transformation after they seemingly killed it for the tenth time.
- Prison School: Literally should've ended after the second arc.
- Attack on Titan: Need I even say more?

And that's literally just the shit I can immediately list off.'

My two favorite non-manga examples I always bring up are Homestuck and ASOIAF. Being able to tell a serialized story with a cohesive overarching plot is incredibly difficult, and takes an exceptional writer to pull off.
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kakegurui has this problem. nothing's been happening except for dialogue between characters for a couple of issue. its obvious the author's scrounging dor ideas for a while now, but man, go on haitus instead of pumping out half issues where nothing fun happens. or just make omakes.
 
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so spy x family got an anime adaptation airing in 2022 and there's of a bastard!! anime in production since domain was registered on October 28th
 
About the AMV discussion a few pages back. Wasn't online and missed it, but.
I never liked AMV's and cringed hard when I was underage too.

Watched Sugar Sugar Rune in the time I wasn't online, and boi. The "good" side is shitty, and noir hearts is a pretty neat thing. Read the manga for the true ending, it's completely different and manga ended later than the anime.

Dear leader would love the ending of ep 4 of Platinum End. Just mesmerising his comment about the Japanese have a freaky relation to kids.

I like Maou Evelogia ni Mi wo Sasage yo. Not a fan of the fem"boy", but the guy reminds of the teacher in Hitorijime My Hero. Where the manga is much better too, it even have some lewd stuff.
Atatata said:
Speaking of watching anime, is anyone watching Ousama Ranking?
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I called him an retard a few pages back, but yea. I do watch it.
 
SandyCat said:
To me it looks and feels like a shitty kids cartoon, not a anime. Even the art style is the generic western standard you see with most kids cartoons

How do you fuck up so bad to the point where you can't even make an anime look like anime
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To be fair is it really an anime? The show was not made by the Japanese but some transman and some fat bull dykes. The only reason anyone would call it an "anime" is that it appears on Crunchyroll or pretentious nerds that use the literal definition of anime
 
Vlad Transylvania Mai said:
and there's of a bastard!! anime in production
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Oh my God, no way. The OVA is pretty funny on its own, probably helped the dub got the right casting for Dark Schneider, I can't imagine a modern dub pulling it off.

EDIT: Oh my God it's Daran Norris who was Dark in the OVA, please bring him back whoever gets the rights to this. (Fuck off, FUNimation.)
 
Vlad Transylvania Mai said:
so spy x family got an anime adaptation airing in 2022 and there's of a bastard!! anime in production since domain was registered on October 28th
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h_iYEoLmgww
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Took them long enough to get a Spy x Spy anime adaptation. It’ll be nice to see them animate this on screen:

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Save the Loli said:
an expendable cast of voice actors who barely make anything and have to scrounge around at conventions and online to even have the slightest chance at a middle-class lifestyle. I've heard audio engineers and other staff aren't making much either.
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And, geez, does it show. It's not just a matter of mediocre voice acting/directing and sound engineering, the translated dialogue is always clunky as hell, too. Makes me wonder why they even bother.
 
Vlad Transylvania Mai said:
so spy x family got an anime adaptation airing in 2022 and there's of a bastard!! anime in production since domain was registered on October 28th
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h_iYEoLmgww
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Oh god I wonder how big this will be in japan
iirc the last time I checked the manga sold over 12 million copies recently, and it only has 8 volumes out.
This might put the more recent anime anime boosts to shame, gonna defiantly be funny watching oricon threads for awhile.

Although I wonder how far they'll adapt, if its one cour I might say the arc where Bond shows up, two maybe the arc with the female spy and the tennis match but they would have to rush to get that far (and that arc wasn't the greatest in the first place so not the best idea ending it there).
 
Atomsk said:
Why do niggers care about this show? lmao
It looks so basic, it's not even worth hating on.
I get that it's made by a bunch of fat bulldykes that work at CR and everyone hates CR but nothing I see people post has gotten me giving a shit about this show.

EDIT: Holy fucking shit, everything about this clip is an abomination though. Why the fuck does the audio sound so bad? The "voice actor" is clearly not a voice actor at all and it's like they could literally only get one take so they couldn't do anything about the lip flaps not matching at all, I feel like there's a story behind this and I want to know what it is.

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Did they seriously copy the designs of Fish Eye and assorted anime girls with earrings to make the blue haired girl in the dress?
 
Finished demon slayer last week.
I cried so fucking much I wasn't aware how much I was going to cry ngl. Super hyped for the 2nd season tbh!

Will say, wish some of the other pillars (Obanai, Gyomei, Tengen, and Sanamei) got a bit more screen time in the manga but I can't complain? Even if it was rushed feeling I can't help but feel everything still flowed together really nicely.

Yushio ended up becoming my favorite demon character, but shout out to Chachamaru.
Now I gotta crack open the Naruto manga vault. It's finally time.
 
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