Alcoholism Support Thread - Down the hatch

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Do you have Crohn's? I've met a lot of alcoholics who used beer to deal with it, but there are drugs that can help you if that's the case.
Ankylosis spondylitis, doctor recently told me I experience more pain with it than anyone else with the condition he treats, feels like my joints are pulling apart like wishbones while my joints dissolve/fuse together, it's pretty much every joint in my body, so outside of drinking like 20ish oz of 50% alcohol vodka in four to eight hours I don't really have a way to cope with the level of pain I'm dealing with.
 
I called myself a retard and just dealt with it.
It's crazy how quickly that self-control disappears. Bryan Johnson says you've no willpower when you're tired and I'd believe it. If I think about waking up 6am on a saturday morning, I immediately recognize how many hours of the day I get to enjoy unless I drink friday night. Though, not having anything planned is what gets to me. "well whatever, ill lay hungover til 3pm", but that also means more likelihood of ordering food, eating more than I should and what not.

It helped working every second weekend and not wanting to waste it, but I work every third now.. I basically take extra shifts to keep myself from drinking. I have however not had the urge in a bit, granted I drank 2-3 weeks ago. I'd love nothing more than to get used to just never drinking and not having to fear 'dealing with' addiction every friday for the rest of my life. That's the scary part. I still don't feel I'm there yet, but who knows. The next time might be the last chance to keep any self control.
I've found that limiting myself to types of booze that I don't really enjoy as much has helped me cut back. You save money that way too.
I hate beer but it's also easier to buy than liquor and a mixer. But it fattens a lot more and drinking becomes a chore. I can drink the 4 cans that gets me drunk but I remember basically all of it, then tip over into 'can't remember shit' towards 11pm, whereas with anything stronger I'd be in bed by 10. The fact drinking is a literal workout at this point should tell me all I need to know. I go out of my way to sleep better, fast 5 days a week and what not, and drinking just 100% ruins all benefits I may get from that.
 
The next time might be the last chance to keep any self control.
That's where groups like AA can be really helpful because you can pick up a phone and call guys if you're feeling like a drink. I personally found stuff like that extremely helpful. You also make sober friends by talking to sober guys, so you have something fun to do, without drinking, with other guys who aren't drinking.
 
I have to stop.

It started as a means to socialise, I was extremely introverted and lonely all my childhood, just never developed the social skills. My first drink at a party at 15 years old was like a watershed moment, I loosened up, I wasn't scared to talk to people any more. Drinking became synonymous with socialising for me, I really couldn't have fun at a social gathering without drinking because I'd revert to my loner ways when sober, and I wanted to stop being lonely so damn much. After a couple of years it crept in to every day life. I became of age, moved out, there was no longer anything stopping me. I fooled myself for years that it wasn't a problem because I wasn't  actually getting drunk, just 2 beers at the end of the day to unwind while I played videogames. It eventually became 3, but I didn't want to go beyond that because then I would  certainly be an alcoholic, so I just switched to stronger drinks (double IPA). I still told myself it was only 3 drinks, even when it usually progressed to some whiskey after the 3 IPAs. I went to bed drunk every night, but I stopped feeling hungover the next morning after a little while (or so I thought). This in addition to the fact I didn't blacked out or embarrass myself in front of people helped me continue convincing myself I wasn't an alcoholic, even though the social aspect had completely disappeared and it had become a habit that I became really upset any time I had to depart from.

I somehow found a girl and started a family whilst this was happening (another point to "well I guess that means I'm not a real alcoholic"), but lately it's been affecting my mood and my temper severely. I think if I continue, it's only a matter of time before I become the violent kind. I've been forced to go dry the last week because of other factors and it correlated with a deep sense of dread and anxiety that washed over me. I've been feeling better the last 4 days actually more energetic and focused, and I figured okay maybe I'm okay to sneak away and get 1 drink. It made me feel happy for an hour, then I could almost feel the patience seep away as I became extremely irritable thinking about another drink (I didn't have one).

This confirms I can't moderate. I have to stop completely.

I sometimes browsed the highlights of this thread and told myself it's just out of curiosity, but I see now it was some part of myself trying to tell me what I really need to do.

This thread is helpful. It's only been a week (minus that one drink), but I've also finally acknowledged and come out to my family about it. I do feel more level headed and focused already, but I still catch myself thinking about what I'd like to drink later before bed. I probably won't post updates, but if you see me raving and making typos in the "What are you listening to now" thread, I fucked up.
 
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It started as a means to socialise, I was extremely introverted and lonely all my childhood, just never developed the social skills. My first drink at a party at 15 years old was like a watershed moment, I loosened up, I wasn't scared to talk to people any more.
This is probably how most people start, I certainly started because I didn't know how to talk to people, and being a drunken fool is funny when you're young. The problem is a clown without a circus around him is just a very annoying person. I'm 99% sure that a Seinfeld quote.
lately it's been affecting my mood and my temper severely. I think if I continue, it's only a matter of time before I become the violent kind.
This is absolutely a red flag. I found that I would fail to get things done because I was drunk, then the next day I'd be angry because I was trying to catch up. Eventually, you're so far behind that you are in a permanent state of irritation, and because humans are excellent at avoiding responsibility, you start taking it out on others.
Maybe your relationships are bad because of other reasons too, if you don't address the one thing you can control, you'll never be sure. You owe it to your family to get it together, but you also owe it to your future self. Too many people burn down relationships, then get sober and realise that they just didn't want to put in the effort.
This confirms I can't moderate. I have to stop completely
As someone else in this thread has written; think of it as retiring. I often say when asked "I have already drunk my share". If I framed it as struggling with an addiction, I think it would be harder. We all have something we used to do but don't anymore. I see alcohol like going to punk shows, or being promiscuous: it's just something I used to do, but I can't be bothered any more. I don't want to lose my hearing, or my wife, so I've found other way to entertain myself.
 
It has ruined 1 previous relationship of mine, I wasted almost 3 years of that girls life, but at least maybe it's made her wise in that she won't even bother with another guy showing the same habits.

I saw an interesting interview with Dick Van Dyke in which he states his perspective that he is still an alcoholic, it doesn't go away because he stopped drinking, and I believe he said something to the effect that it was important for him to remember that so he never falls in to the trap of thinking he's okay now, he can have a couple of drinks again and it'll be fine.

Here it is:

I'm finding that to be a helpful line of thinking, though I probably wouldn't call it a disease, but what do I know? I guess time will tell. Drinking is indeed something that I used to do, and hopefully I'll be able to also say "a long time ago" some day.

Do you have advice on those other ways to entertain yourself without drinking? I've started reading more.
 
Do you have advice on those other ways to entertain yourself without drinking? I've started reading more.
If you find that you only enjoyed doing something while drinking, then you never really enjoyed that thing. It was just an excuse to drink. Try new things all the time. There's no shame or harm in trying something, realizing you don't like it/suck at it, and moving onto a new hobby. I usually suggest creative hobbies since you can actually make something and get some tangible positive feedback. Playing music is one such example but there are many others.

Whatever brings you joy, or satisfaction, or relief that isn't alcohol or drugs.
 
Do you have advice on those other ways to entertain yourself without drinking? I've started reading more
Try things that give you a natural high. Either through endorphins (my preferred method), or dopamine. I'm a huge advocate of exercise in nature, especially hiking and camping. You can't get alcohol if you're in a tent 5 miles from a road, and you'll be too tired anyway.
If you like reading, set a goal. Read your way through a "great books" list like https://www.artofmanliness.com/culture/books/100-books-every-man-read/ or do a deep dive on some particular subject. Though I'm hesitant to suggest it because I'm a people-hater, join a club that relates to your interests (books, cars, motorcycles) where you can learn from other people, but also interact in a way where alcohol isn't the raison d'etre for the gathering.
 
Do you have advice on those other ways to entertain yourself without drinking? I've started reading more.
Do something social. Isolation is the most poisonous state to us. I've done sober sports leagues (kind of a poor time of year for that), book clubs, found a group to jam with musically. All three kept me around other people, which is a good distraction from rationalizing a drink or two (that turns into forty)
 
Do something social. Isolation is the most poisonous state to us. I've done sober sports leagues (kind of a poor time of year for that), book clubs, found a group to jam with musically. All three kept me around other people, which is a good distraction from rationalizing a drink or two (that turns into forty)
This a million times. I've seen a lot of relapses and they always begin with isolation, be it social, mental, or spiritual.
 
I saw an interesting interview with Dick Van Dyke in which he states his perspective that he is still an alcoholic, it doesn't go away because he stopped drinking, and I believe he said something to the effect that it was important for him to remember that so he never falls in to the trap of thinking he's okay now, he can have a couple of drinks again and it'll be fine.
That also holds true for pretty much any addiction unfortunately, and it's something people barely talk about: Once you're past a certain point, you don't go back to normal (Not completely at least). Sobriety becomes a constant battle of willpower you have to be actively exerting constantly, because your brain is constantly craving whatever substance is addicted to, and it actively fuck you up as much as it can to get it (Withdrawal syndrome).
And while it does get easier over time, getting back in contact with alcohol is very risky, because your brain is already "primed" for that substance and will hit you much worse. The "I can go from being an alcoholic to having a couple of drinks every now and then and it will be fine" is just cope.
 
Mama didn't raise no quitter
Yeah. Plenty of us thought we weren't no pussy too. Until our liver swelled up, our skin turned yellow and we passed out in the Liquor store isle trying to get that morning's bottle before the shakes take hold too badly. Dying from Alcohol addiction is incredibly painful. Some of us gave it the ol' college try, envisioning our disappointed mother's faces if we had to tell her we quit drinking. All the way to death's door.
 
This is absolutely a red flag. I found that I would fail to get things done because I was drunk, then the next day I'd be angry because I was trying to catch up. Eventually, you're so far behind that you are in a permanent state of irritation, and because humans are excellent at avoiding responsibility, you start taking it out on others.
The best way I've seen it described is that you're putting your emotional state on a credit card, and this goes for pretty much all addictions.

You can feel happy today, you can control your emotions today, but you're just adding to the balance. Eventually the bill comes due but you don't have any way to pay it because you've just been putting it off and not thinking about it.

And as the bills pile up, you're going to wind up with more shit to unpack and more relationships to repair. Some people figure this out early, for others it takes decades, and others never figure it out.
 
Yeah. Plenty of us thought we weren't no pussy too. Until our liver swelled up, our skin turned yellow and we passed out in the Liquor store isle trying to get that morning's bottle before the shakes take hold too badly. Dying from Alcohol addiction is incredibly painful. Some of us gave it the ol' college try, envisioning our disappointed mother's faces if we had to tell her we quit drinking. All the way to death's door.
I hit the point where I managed to have a withdrawal seizure in the self-checkout getting my daily ration. I think I'd had an unusually busy day before or tried to taper off or something and hadn't had a drink in close to 24 hours.
How I managed to convince the local fire station (they were there stocking up for their shift) that I had epilepsy and must've forgotten my meds and no, I didn't need an ambulance, and they let me walk out and drive away, I'll never know. My dumbass addict thought at the time was that clearly I needed to mellow out after that, so I stopped by a dispensary on the way home.
 
I hit the point where I managed to have a withdrawal seizure in the self-checkout getting my daily ration. I think I'd had an unusually busy day before or tried to taper off or something and hadn't had a drink in close to 24 hours.
How I managed to convince the local fire station (they were there stocking up for their shift) that I had epilepsy and must've forgotten my meds and no, I didn't need an ambulance, and they let me walk out and drive away, I'll never know. My dumbass addict thought at the time was that clearly I needed to mellow out after that, so I stopped by a dispensary on the way home.
In the mind of an active addict, this makes perfect sense. One can't be faulted for that.

In practice though, all THC did for me at the time was spike my withdrawal anxiety into full blown panic attacks and derealization. Entering the DT's like the Black Pearl swirling at the edge of the maelstrom above Davey Jones's Locker hoping THC would help was almost a deadly fools errand.
 
relationships to repair.

That's one that doesn't really get addressed properly.

I was in a fairly bad way a couple of years ago and i randomly decided to reconnect with a friend who i hadn't seen for a decade plus. We met up and went for dinner and i was utterly fucked up when i met her at the restaurant. We picked up our friendship like we'd just seen each other the week before and it was a great time but at the end of it she told me she'd prefer if the next time we met up i wouldn't show up drunk because she wanted her kids to meet their mams old friend.

3 hours of sitting across a table from her and she didn't make an issue of it until the very end. She's a psychiatric nurse and she basically told me that i either had to quit or just keep going until i died and she wasn't going to bother dealing with my bullshit if i kept going.
 
In the mind of an active addict, this makes perfect sense. One can't be faulted for that.

In practice though, all THC did for me at the time was spike my withdrawal anxiety into full blown panic attacks and derealization. Entering the DT's like the Black Pearl swirling at the edge of the maelstrom above Davey Jones's Locker hoping THC would help was almost a deadly fools errand.
I mean, I went for both, they let me finish paying for the whiskey and take it with me (also no idea how I got away with that).
I actually had to stop edibles even before I started attending meetings (I was involved in AA for about 13 months before the *knocks wood* final relapse) because I'd have an existential crisis re: my lifestyle whenever I got high that way. Smoking it didn't trigger that kind of reaction, so naturally I pivoted to chain-smoking vapes. I didn't really try to substitute one for the other until the prelude to said final relapse, which is why NA's focus on not distinguishing between substances and warning that substituting one drug for another leads to disaster resonates with me. It's the main draw to me finding fellowship there even though narcotics were never my thing (well, that and a lot of AA meetings have participants gasp/get awkward when I powerlevel too much about how bad it got during shares, I have to mask a lot more there).
 
Hey guys my name is Diego lane and im an alcoholic

Started drinking the day after my 22nd birthday (not a meme)

Ive gone through a number of dry spells never last more than a few months

Everything sucks when im sober and then I get angry cruel and self conscious and after a while what usually gets me is I say fuck it pour me a shot because im caught being a prick or unduly rude to people or I start getting violent

Its like the opposite where while even a bit toasty im loosened up nicer I cam be funny my posts are better I dont hate people

How do i be drunk me without alcohol is what I wanna know
How do i not be a high strung big meanie head when im sober
How do I turn off my rapid fire brain withou5 drugs
How do i relax

Meditation is boring, god is gay and I dont really find a lot of "hobbies" interesting
I work out pretty consistently regardless and have been making origrese and I did drop beer and hard liquor last few weeks in favor of wine (Sutter home merlot my new go to when I cant find mad dog)
Amd when I find something interesting I usually cant do it then forget get bored move on

The harder part is I dont really spend too much on drinking I can budget and since i cut down severity from the wodka days it doesn't take much to get me where I wanna be maintain and then sleep good

I dont have any friends or family or relationships so its not like drinking affects those

So what can I do should I bother trying
Sitting in a hotel smoking cigarettes washing my clothes in the tub contemplating the usual merlot & malaise
 
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