Alcoholism Support Thread - Down the hatch

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That's actually good to know. I've had multiple people tell me that switching to weed will totally cure me and I won't need alcohol anymore
I don't recommend it either. I live in a cannabis legal state and I tried this years ago and all it did was end up with me doing both vices because after a year or so my thc tolerance got too high just like with alcohol and it wasn't a good enough mental escape anymore like booze was
 
That's actually good to know. I've had multiple people tell me that switching to weed will totally cure me and I won't need alcohol anymore, but I always thought it was more trouble than it was worth switching from one addiction to another and wouldn't help anything. I'm glad I wasn't going insane thinking that weed is just another addiction.
It's better than alcohol in the sense that you're not gonna throw dinner plates at your wife and crash your car into a ditch after smoking a joint, but that's about it. It can still take over your life as a maladaptive coping mechanism.
 
It's better than alcohol in the sense that you're not gonna throw dinner plates at your wife and crash your car into a ditch after smoking a joint, but that's about it. It can still take over your life as a maladaptive coping mechanism.
I don't really get angry when I drink, I get happy or very sad. But I guess weed just kinda strings you out. I've never really tried it because people I know who have done it have either sworn off it or turned into hippy burnouts. Maybe that's better than me, but I'm not gonna try it, yknow?
 
It's better than alcohol in the sense that you're not gonna throw dinner plates at your wife and crash your car into a ditch after smoking a joint, but that's about it. It can still take over your life as a maladaptive coping mechanism.
Some people take astronomical amounts and get psychosis from weed. It shouldn't be fucked around with. I think it's something like 1 in 10 will get psychosis from it.
 
Socializing with a bunch of new people without booze kinda sucks but I survived.
It sucks when you're the only sober person and everyone else is getting drunk and acting stupid. You look around and go "Jesus Christ, I used to do this?" It's like the episode of Close Enough where the only difference between a Chuck E. Cheese and a nightclub is the involvement of alcohol and drugs.
 
Some people take astronomical amounts and get psychosis from weed. It shouldn't be fucked around with. I think it's something like 1 in 10 will get psychosis from it.

Fuck weed. I have one friend who completely lost touch with reality and ended up murdering a family member because he thought they'd been replaced with a literal demon. Poor fucker was committed to a mental hospital indefinitely and even though they let him out on temporary release now he's just gone and will never live independently again. There's not a shred of what he was still in there. All this happened because he was a daily weed smoker.

Another friend tried to burn down his house because he started hearing God talking to him telling him he had to do it to save the world. Ended up committed for a few months but he's fine now. It completely fucked up a lot of career opportunities and stuff for him that involve background checks but at least he's himself.

Booze is a mother fucker to have an issue with but weed will straight up entirely change who you are for some people if they have issues with it even when they quit it.

The two of them obviously had underlying problems but the often-touted wonderdrug broke both of their minds in a fairly short space of time. If they were drinkers they would probably just have crashed their cars or got arrested for doing something stupid in public.
 
Fuck weed. I have one friend who completely lost touch with reality and ended up murdering a family member because he thought they'd been replaced with a literal demon. Poor fucker was committed to a mental hospital indefinitely and even though they let him out on temporary release now he's just gone and will never live independently again. There's not a shred of what he was still in there. All this happened because he was a daily weed smoker.

Another friend tried to burn down his house because he started hearing God talking to him telling him he had to do it to save the world. Ended up committed for a few months but he's fine now. It completely fucked up a lot of career opportunities and stuff for him that involve background checks but at least he's himself.

Booze is a mother fucker to have an issue with but weed will straight up entirely change who you are for some people if they have issues with it even when they quit it.

The two of them obviously had underlying problems but the often-touted wonderdrug broke both of their minds in a fairly short space of time. If they were drinkers they would probably just have crashed their cars or got arrested for doing something stupid in public.
I think it's worth pointing out if anyone doesn't take your story seriously but psychosis is is kind of permanent in some cases. Weed really shouldnt be fucked around with and especially not by someone who is an alcoholic/has addictive tendencies.

A big part of the problem is modern weed is way too fucking strong and people vape and smoke it constantly. Drinking too much will give you brain damage and smoking weed too much will also give you brain damage.

I think if someone is quitting alcohol they should see a psychiatrist who is specialized in addictive disorders (if they want to go that route) and especially not try to self medicated the world and anxiety away from them.
 
Out of curiosity, how bored is everyone here in this thread? Besides work, gayiming and shitposting, how bored are you?
Rarely. When I was new to sobriety and anhedonic I had too much to fix to be bored, and too much to feel penitent about to not work on that stuff whenever I could. Now a few years in I have too many interests and too much I want to get done.

In my experience what a lot of people attribute to "boredom" is a developed tolerance to overstimulation, e.g. a lowered dopamine baseline from abusing dopaminergic substances like alcohol or stimulants or dopaminergic behaviors like gambling or video games or porn or tiktok, which makes everything else feel underwhelming in comparison. "Dopamine" gets misrepresented as "the happy chemical" which is an overly reductive concept of it but in the case of boredom it really is the issue, dopamine is responsible for motivation and reward, so contrary to popular conception a lack of dopamine doesn't feel like sadness, it feels like boredom. You want to be stimulated and you aren't, not because the things you're doing aren't stimulating, but because the things you're used to are extra stimulating. The good news is that it works both ways; if you just let yourself be bored for a while without reaching for superstimuli to "fix" it, your baseline will recover and you'll start to enjoy the things you're meant to, like being productive or creative or social. Substances aside, a good rule of thumb is that behaviors that can be described as "frictionless foraging," i.e. behaviors where you're getting rewarded without effort, are something to be avoided because they'll always feel preferable to behaviors where you're rewarded for your efforts, which will make you avoid and resent behaviors where you have to put in effort.

I think I've sperged here about asceticism before, but that's basically what this is: avoiding bad things that feel good until good things feel good. It's uncomfortable at first but it works; now when I get bored I go build something or make music or exercise. In my experience you can quit one thing a month, so I just keep doing that, and my life keeps getting a little better each time. It's also a good bulwark against relapse, because instead of indulging in your drug of choice you can just work backwards and permit yourself to indulge in social media or orange chicken or fuckin... reading about celebrities on TMZ or whatever you're into. Lesser evils.

All that aside, the other thing I think people frequently attribute to "boredom" is just wanting stimulation or reward but not having the energy to work for it. To which the answer is just fucking go to bed. Rest, and then wake up with the energy to do the things you actually want to do, instead of sitting in a chair passively consuming bullshit. Sleeping feels fucking incredible and if you're putting it off outside of social situations there's probably something wrong with you and it's probably a dependence on some kind of overstimulation or frictionless foraging. Which then makes you tired, which has a demonstrable effect on willpower and decision making, which makes you do dumb shit for an easy fix, which makes you feel worse, which makes you reach for an easy fix, and so on. Just go to bed, without your phone or a TV on or whatever.
 
Out of curiosity, how bored is everyone here in this thread? Besides work, gayiming and shitposting, how bored are you?
I forgot it was sober october. Perfect day to rewatch RustyCage's vlog!
His big takeaway was how much time you suddenly had in a day when sober. It is boring as fuck. I love getting up at 6:30AM on the weekend and having all god damn day to do things, but I got nothing to do. I still get the odd surge of productivity but it's not something I can rely on. It's a one-off action like throwing out old clothing or school books or what have you. Going for a long walk to update local nodes on Google Maps. But it's not something I can do reliably. I'd kill to be a WoW drone who raid 3 times a week, but I just get no such feeling of reward anymore.

All that aside, the other thing I think people frequently attribute to "boredom" is just wanting stimulation or reward but not having the energy to work for it. To which the answer is just fucking go to bed. Rest, and then wake up with the energy to do the things you actually want to do, instead of sitting in a chair passively consuming bullshit.
This is my issue: I feel like I have the energy and the urge, but the urge is to be productive. Replacing my shower curtains or throwing out old stuff. I've started reading but it doesn't feel like a real hobby to me. I've removed people, left Discords and shaved myself raw to the point I sit here booty out, absolutely nothing to do. I've no easy ways to entertain myself, which is exactly when I should be primed to undertake a new big thing. But I just don't have the mental energy. I'd rather go buy groceries in icy rain because it's a productive task that I can achieve and benefit from. Sitting down to paint minis don't do that to me.
Fasting is for everyone, and if anything, people report that they get immense bursts of energy tens of hours into doing so in a row. I myself started doing it because I can't be fucked eating breakfast, so that's saved money. I then eat modestly for lunch and an early dinner around 5:30PM if not earlier. Then I brush my teeth and I'm done. Now i got 4-5 hours to do whatever needs doing without the need to cook dinner hovering over my head. The great thing about fasting is that you don't have to think about what to eat but rather when. You can eat worse and still do better. I don't count calories or anything, but I guess I do have some reasonable habits already. But again, the danger is the boredom of just sitting there, doing nothing. That's when people eat. I can fast through work absolutely no issues cause I got shit to do, even when I walked 15k steps before breakfast. It was never a lack of energy. If anything, I felt better waking up not having digested throughout my sleep. Fasting is just fucking kino in all ways.
 
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I just get no such feeling of reward anymore.
Try a few different creative hobbies: writing, drawing, playing music, photography, stuff like that. You might even enjoy pottery. Creative stuff like this hits the reward circuits well and you don't have to be good at it. You just have to enjoy it.
 
Try a few different creative hobbies: writing, drawing, playing music, photography, stuff like that. You might even enjoy pottery. Creative stuff like this hits the reward circuits well and you don't have to be good at it. You just have to enjoy it.
There's a section in the SMART Recovery Handbook about finding your "vital absorbing creative interest" which is basically just a worksheet where you list things you might be interested in, rate how much you think you'd enjoy them, and then rate how much you actually enjoy them after trying them. It's simple but effective.

Personally speaking as someone who used to play a lot of video games, I would recommended anybody who plays a lot of video games try playing music. A big appeal of video games for me was that they're one of the few hobbies where mistakes cost nothing, and the same is true of music; there's a similar learning curve and skill ceiling and sense of mastery and inherent immediate feedback, dexterity and technicality and theory, community and social element, etc. A lot of overlap.

Personally I'd recommend starting on guitar or bass for extremely autistic reasons that I'm happy to expound upon regarding how the physical layout of the instrument influences how you think about music, but it's all good. Also drums because you can practice anywhere.
 
There's a section in the SMART Recovery Handbook about finding your "vital absorbing creative interest" which is basically just a worksheet where you list things you might be interested in, rate how much you think you'd enjoy them, and then rate how much you actually enjoy them after trying them. It's simple but effective.

Personally speaking as someone who used to play a lot of video games, I would recommended anybody who plays a lot of video games try playing music. A big appeal of video games for me was that they're one of the few hobbies where mistakes cost nothing, and the same is true of music; there's a similar learning curve and skill ceiling and sense of mastery and inherent immediate feedback, dexterity and technicality and theory, community and social element, etc. A lot of overlap.

Personally I'd recommend starting on guitar or bass for extremely autistic reasons that I'm happy to expound upon regarding how the physical layout of the instrument influences how you think about music, but it's all good. Also drums because you can practice anywhere.
Even if you suck at guitar or bass, you can learn them very easily. I don't know how to play guitar effectively, but I still have fun noodling on mine and playing around with effects pedals. Other than the initial investment (which can honestly be as cheap or as pricey as you want), there is no cost of failure when you're sitting in your home and messing around.
 
I think it's worth pointing out if anyone doesn't take your story seriously but psychosis is is kind of permanent in some cases. Weed really shouldnt be fucked around with and especially not by someone who is an alcoholic/has addictive tendencies.

A big part of the problem is modern weed is way too fucking strong and people vape and smoke it constantly. Drinking too much will give you brain damage and smoking weed too much will also give you brain damage.

I think if someone is quitting alcohol they should see a psychiatrist who is specialized in addictive disorders (if they want to go that route) and especially not try to self medicated the world and anxiety away from them.
I agree that weed shoud not be taken lightly, don't try to substitute alcohol and weed, especially if you don't have a lot of experience with it. They are not even similar drugs, and if you are drinking to escape anxiety you are in for a horrible time if you just start smoking some modern weed as a n00b. And I don't know how it is if you are a drunk that always binges untill you pass out.

I smoked a lot of weed for over a decade when I was young, and then i just stopped when I lost my sources and became a proper adult. But then the booze slowly crept up on me.
And I'm the kind of drunk that never goes crazy or pass out etc, but I could sip whiskey all day long staying somewhat reasonable and in control, but it ads up physically.

What works for me is having two drinks, and then a hit of weed. (Or just smoke some befor any drinks). Then I just nurse my drinks, and instead of drinking a whole bottle that day, I drink only 1/3. If I need to go somwhere where I know there will be social drinking, I have a small hit of weed and I know I won't drink as much as I used to.

Please consult your soul, priest and doctor before taking advice on a nazi forum, I'm just telling what worked for me. I'm drinking way less and more seldom than I used to. I don't recomend this to anyone that is not very experienced with both drugs.
 
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