7/23 Court Date

[LiveFromNS]

@ROFL Tse-tung the key words from that code quote are: "designed to, and capable of,". Bodily injury does not have to occur, just that the substance is "designed to, and capable of," causing it. If he was harmed, then CWC would have had an assault charge on top of it.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

@ROFL Tse-tung the key words from that code quote are: "designed to, and capable of,". Bodily injury does not have to occur, just that the substance is "designed to, and capable of," causing it. If he was harmed, then CWC would have had an assault charge on top of it.

The keyword is "and." I think defense can argue the grammar of that sentence means 2 things must take place, like below.

If

1. any person maliciously release or cause or procure to be released in any private home, place of business or place of public gathering any tear gas, mustard gas, phosgene gas or other noxious or nauseating gases or mixtures of chemicals designed to, and capable of, producing vile or injurious or nauseating odors or gases,

2. and bodily injury results to any person from such gas or odor,

the offending person shall be guilty of a Class 3 felony.

So it becomes an "if 1 and 2 then 3" type of sentence.

Of course then the other side can then argue about what constitutes as bodily injury, fun stuff.

 

[ROFL Tse-tung]

So I have to think that's what these continuances are about, at least in part: the state is considering exactly what to charge him with, and they want to give Chris enough space in preparing his plea/defense so they can be prepared in turn. If the defense could successfully argue that no bodily harm actually occurred, there's a chance that Chris could in fact be acquitted, giving the state an incentive to develop a different charge from what evidence and statements they already have.

I'm not quite sure if they can convict of a lesser charge in a trial for a higher charge, but there is such a thing as double jeopardy, so I'm sure the state doesn't want to risk their chance at getting Chris help or, as case may be, jail time. My guess is that the continuances are in part meant to pressure Chris into accepting some kind of plea deal and also to give the state some space in planning around what Chris is likely to do in terms of his plea or defense.

 

[JULAY]

Why are you protecting the WK's identity? They are clearly trying to get involved, not like it's innocent bystander who would be harassed by

Hey, I'm not going to harass anyone!

 

[Rammspieler]

I've up until now, have refrained from making the unedited cut public, not to protect the WK or because I fear for myself, rather for the reputation of the Farms. Just because the lolcows we feature on here and their own respective WKs think the worst of us (obvious, since we're the ones who are pointing out their questionable behavior when we mock it), doesn't mean that we should go full ED or /baph/ on them. Plus, may I point out that the reason why @lipitor hasn't revealed the dox on the reporter/WK who accosted him the last time he was there, was precisely to protect the integrity of the farms. By the way, for those still doubting the veracity of the reporter, I was granted the privilege of access to such information for obvious reasons and I have every reason to believe him.

As for how I found out about what Chris thinks of my fate, well lets just say that if I can trust lipitor with the dox he gave me, then I can trust his sources.

However, I would like @Null 's opinion on whether releasing the footage would hurt the farms. If he and any of the other mods have no objections, then I'll make it public.

 

[AthenaQe]

I've up until now, have refrained from making the unedited cut public, not to protect the WK or because I fear for myself, rather for the reputation of the Farms. Just because the lolcows we feature on here and their own respective WKs think the worst of us (obvious, since we're the ones who are pointing out their questionable behavior when we mock it), doesn't mean that we should go full ED or /baph/ on them. Plus, may I point out that the reason why @lipitor hasn't revealed the dox on the reporter/WK who accosted him the last time he was there, was precisely to protect the integrity of the farms. By the way, for those still doubting the veracity of the reporter, I was granted the privilege of access to such information for obvious reasons and I have every reason to believe him.

As for how I found out about what Chris thinks of my fate, well lets just say that if I can trust lipitor with the dox he gave me, then I can trust his sources.

However, I would like @Null 's opinion on whether releasing the footage would hurt the farms. If he and any of the other mods have no objections, then I'll make it public.

You seem to make a fair judgment on how to proceed. While I would like to see who it is (not for any malicious purpose) I believe such an approach is the most rational. The forum was still recently moved, leaking something which may affect this forums foundation is not ideal. But still, I still have an itch to see it all.

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On another note, I'm not sure what's worse, the fact he farts violently in public, or that he sighs about it after which practically brings all attention on him as the Dang Dirty Tooter.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

I've up until now, have refrained from making the unedited cut public, not to protect the WK or because I fear for myself, rather for the reputation of the Farms. Just because the lolcows we feature on here and their own respective WKs think the worst of us (obvious, since we're the ones who are pointing out their questionable behavior when we mock it), doesn't mean that we should go full ED or /baph/ on them. Plus, may I point out that the reason why @lipitor hasn't revealed the dox on the reporter/WK who accosted him the last time he was there, was precisely to protect the integrity of the farms. By the way, for those still doubting the veracity of the reporter, I was granted the privilege of access to such information for obvious reasons and I have every reason to believe him.

As for how I found out about what Chris thinks of my fate, well lets just say that if I can trust lipitor with the dox he gave me, then I can trust his sources.

However, I would like @Null 's opinion on whether releasing the footage would hurt the farms. If he and any of the other mods have no objections, then I'll make it public.

It's all fair enough. I wished there were more people to back you up all the same.

It's fascinating that Chris would think you got jailed over this. I wonder what kind of details he thinks you're arrested over, like length of jail time or whatever. Are you going to play along and start typing like you're posting from jail?

 

[Lipitor]

You seem to make a fair judgment on how to proceed. While I would like to see who it is (not for any malicious purpose) I believe such an approach is the most rational. The forum was still recently moved, leaking something which may affect this forums foundation is not ideal. But still, I still have an itch to see it all.

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On another note, I'm not sure what's worse, the fact he farts violently in public, or that he sighs about it after which practically brings all attention on him as the Dang Dirty Tooter.

Stuff like this is not as interesting as you think. You know most of what's important. Their name isn't really that important. If I told you who the reporter was 99% of you would Google it and go oh so that's what they look like then go about your day. 1% would cause a huge mess. If there was a way I could tell everyone who wasn't a total dipshit I would.

 

[AnOminous]

I just realized something:





Unless I'm really misinterpreting the law, doesn't this mean Chris cannot be found guilty of this charge? The way it's worded, it seems like guilt is predicated on resultant bodily injury, which didn't occur.

Is it possible these continuances are partly about the state figuring out what Chris can actually be convicted of?

I doubt he's going to end up convicted of either the Class 3 or the Class 6 felony, and he is charged with a "wobbler" offense that can also be punished as a misdemeanor. The latter is the most likely result, assuming it doesn't plead down to something even less serious.

I'm pretty sure that as a technical matter, even the most minimal injury, such as discomfort, would fulfill the threshold requirement for the crime. It's just nobody is going to want to prosecute this case that hard.

The keyword is "and." I think defense can argue the grammar of that sentence means 2 things must take place, like below.



So it becomes an "if 1 and 2 then 3" type of sentence.

Of course then the other side can then argue about what constitutes as bodily injury, fun stuff.

I believe you are correct the language is conjunctive for the class 3 felony, but I don't think bodily injury is necessary for the class 6.

The language could be a little more clear, though.

I'm not quite sure if they can convict of a lesser charge in a trial for a higher charge, but there is such a thing as double jeopardy, so I'm sure the state doesn't want to risk their chance at getting Chris help or, as case may be, jail time.

It is almost always possible to be convicted of a lesser charge when charged with a higher charge, although sometimes either the prosecutor or defense must make a special request for this to be possible.

Such an offense is called a "lesser included offense" and is when a lesser offense includes only some elements of the more serious offense, and does not usually include separate elements (which would be an entirely different offense).

A jury can be given a special instruction that they can convict of either the most serious count or one or more lesser included offenses, or acquit entirely. It is often a strategic choice whether the defense or prosecution chooses to request such an instruction.

And it's also pretty common for a plea to be reached for one of the lesser offenses (or a different offense entirely).

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

, doesn't mean that we should go full ED or /baph/ on them. Plus, may I point out that the reason why @lipitor hasn't revealed the dox on the reporter/WK who accosted him the last time he was there, was precisely to protect the integrity of the farms. By the way, for those still doubting the veracity of the reporter, I was granted the privilege of access to such information for obvious reasons and I have every reason to believe him.

As for how I found out about what Chris thinks of my fate, well lets just say that if I can trust lipitor with the dox he gave me, then I can trust his sources.

However, I would like @Null 's opinion on whether releasing the footage would hurt the farms. If he and any of the other mods have no objections, then I'll make it public.

One of the things the white knights don't realize is that Chris was essentially the end of the golden age of ED. It sparked debate on if that kind of humor/level of abuse is too far and ect. There was a point where I just hated that site but kept visiting the Chris page.

Chris is a weird ass fandom. And no one should understand it. We're not really dangerous though honestly. Anyone that julays Chris or whatever just freshly heard of him from some other source

Stuff like this is not as interesting as you think. You know most of what's important. Their name isn't really that important. If I told you who the reporter was 99% of you would Google it and go oh so that's what they look like then go about your day. 1% would cause a huge mess. If there was a way I could tell everyone who wasn't a total dipshit I would.

But what if she's a meteorology reporter, and her names lovely weather? Would you deny us seeing lovely weather?!

 

[Evloret]

Sorry for jumping in on this incredibly late and all, but not being familiar with the 'murican court system- there's already been what, four continuations so far? The Cwciki says that the last court hearing he had was the fifth, and it's been continued to a sixth.

What I'm wondering is whether there's a limit on the whole continuation thing or if it's possible that CWC will end up trapped in some sort of court-limbo FOREVER?

Again, sorry for the ignorance.

 

[AnOminous]

What I'm wondering is whether there's a limit on the whole continuation thing or if it's possible that CWC will end up trapped in some sort of court-limbo FOREVER?

There's no hard limit, but the court does eventually tell the prosecution to shit or get off the pot, if it's their fault, or in this case, it seems it's the defense stalling.

I'm hoping the three month delay is intended to make sure everyone's ready next time, but meh. Who knows?

It wouldn't be seriously out of line unless the delay gets longer than a couple years.

(Unless the prosecution did it, then it would be violating Chris's right to a speedy trial. But at this point, it's basically the defense asking for delays.)

 

[Evloret]

USEFUL INFO

Thanks for filling me in.

I was going to ask if this would detract from Chris doing...Chris things, but if anything he's more active than usual recently, and there's always Facebook.

I wouldn't mind closure though, if only because it'd set more interesting events in motion. Maybe.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

I just realized. The sequel to Sonic Boom is slated for a Q4 release. The latest continuance pushed the court date for Chris into the same time frame. If this keeps up his trial might start after he had time to react to the sequel...

 

[Evloret]

I just realized. The sequel to Sonic Boom is slated for a Q4 release. The latest continuance pushed the court date for Chris into the same time frame. If this keeps up his trial might start after he had time to react to the sequel...

I'll bet that he'll complain heartily (stomachily?) about it and then proceed to buy it alongside any merchandise/dlc that comes with it. Maybe even twice, who knows?

 

[blackie toy]

I just realized something:

Unless I'm really misinterpreting the law, doesn't this mean Chris cannot be found guilty of this charge? The way it's worded, it seems like guilt is predicated on resultant bodily injury, which didn't occur.

Is it possible these continuances are partly about the state figuring out what Chris can actually be convicted of?

No, there's no figuring out that would need to happen. All they'd have to do is charge him with simple assault, which would be even more of a slam dunk.

You might have a point about construing the statute, but it's not clear or unquestionable enough to make conviction impossible. Partly it depends on what "any bodily injury" means in Virginia. I mean, it certainly appeared to cause physical irritation to the employee.

And then, suppose the guy didn't suffer any bodily injury. I feel like they could bag him on attempt to commit that crime.

 

[Subconcious Offense]

No, there's no figuring out that would need to happen. All they'd have to do is charge him with simple assault, which would be even more of a slam dunk.

You might have a point about construing the statute, but it's not clear or unquestionable enough to make conviction impossible. Partly it depends on what "any bodily injury" means in Virginia. I mean, it certainly appeared to cause physical irritation to the employee.

And then, suppose the guy didn't suffer any bodily injury. I feel like they could bag him on attempt to commit that crime.

They'll have to decide upon the charge at some point though so the defense can prepare itself, right? At what point does a charge need to be set in stone? Has the trial gone past that point yet?

 

[ulsterscotsman]

I've up until now, have refrained from making the unedited cut public, not to protect the WK or because I fear for myself, rather for the reputation of the Farms. Just because the lolcows we feature on here and their own respective WKs think the worst of us (obvious, since we're the ones who are pointing out their questionable behavior when we mock it), doesn't mean that we should go full ED or /baph/ on them. Plus, may I point out that the reason why @lipitor hasn't revealed the dox on the reporter/WK who accosted him the last time he was there, was precisely to protect the integrity of the farms. By the way, for those still doubting the veracity of the reporter, I was granted the privilege of access to such information for obvious reasons and I have every reason to believe him.

As for how I found out about what Chris thinks of my fate, well lets just say that if I can trust lipitor with the dox he gave me, then I can trust his sources.

However, I would like @Null 's opinion on whether releasing the footage would hurt the farms. If he and any of the other mods have no objections, then I'll make it public.

What about bluring/censoring the white knight's face and or body? Then everybody's happy.

 

[deeman]

"Neener neener! I got Vids! But i can't show ya due to... pro...tection?"

 

[Seattle Trip to Neverfree]

Kengle will burst thru the courtroom and escape with Chris on a motorcycle and ride into the sunset.

"Now, SEGA changes Sonic's arms back to blue, nobody gets maced!"

"What if they won't, sir?"

"Then we ride these pickles to CWCville and freedom, Kengle! Freedom!"