Culture 3D-printable downloadable guns available August 1 - Eat that shit gun control spergs

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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/820032002
Americans will soon be able to make 3D-printed guns from their home, widening the door to do-it-yourself versions of firearms including the AR-15 — the gun of choice in American mass shootings — that are untraceable with no background check required.

A settlement earlier this year between the State Department and Texas-based Defense Distributed will let the nonprofit release blueprints for guns online starting Aug. 1, a development hailed by the group as the death of gun control in the United States.

"The age of the downloadable gun begins," Defense Distributed stated on its site. Its founder, Cody Wilson, tweeted a photograph of a grave marked "American gun control."

The plans freely available next month put firearms clicks away from anyone with the right machine and materials. That reality has startled gun control advocates, who say it makes untraceable firearms all the more available.

For Wilson, August marks the end of a years-long legal battle: He designed a 3D-printable plastic pistol, the "Liberator .380," in 2012 and put the plans online. It was downloaded more than 100,000 times before federal officials blocked his site, citing international export law.

A lawsuit from Wilson followed. The State Department settled in June.

The Second Amendment Foundation, a nonprofit that partnered with Wilson in the lawsuit, put out a statement calling the settlement "a devastating blow to the gun prohibition lobby."

Assembling guns at home isn't new. It can be done legally, too, provided the made-at-home gun isn't sold. Defense Distributed already sells parts that let users build their own untraceable firearms, known as "ghost guns" for their lack of serial numbers.

"Legally manufacture unserialized rifles and pistols in the comfort and privacy of home," one product's description states.

David Chipman, who worked 25 years as an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told Vice News that the homemade guns favored by hobbyists have since become popular with criminals.

“Now, criminals have started using ghost guns as a way to circumvent assault weapon regulations," said Chipman, now an adviser to the gun control advocacy group Giffords. "I imagine that people will also start printing guns to get around laws.”

Gun plans previewed on Defense Distributed's website feature the Liberator pistol along with an AR-15 and a VZ-58, a Czechoslovakian assault rifle.

The printers needed to make the guns can cost from $5,000 to $600,000, according to Vice News. The quality of plastic matters, too: An early design printed by federal agents shattered after one shot. A second gun, made from a higher grade resin, stayed intact.


William Bones, the chief of police in Boise, Idaho, told the Idaho Statesmanthat law enforcement agencies have followed developments in 3D-printed guns for "quite a while now."

“Measures are needed to ensure these weapons are safely built and to prevent access by children or those prohibited from owning a firearm," Bones told the newspaper.

"Hopefully we see some safe and responsible legislation soon as well as manufacturers taking measure to prevent access which might lead to tragedy.”
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You can bet that if it was technically feasible to make a half-decent gun out of plastic, gun manufactures would've been doing it long ago. I'd be entirely too afraid for my fingers to pull the trigger on something made on a home 3d printer. And if you're just printing the lower to mount a metal barrel in it, really what's the point?
 
I actually have the ancient Liberator File somewhere on my Computer.

Will I get ATF'd if i post it here, considering distribution of these are now 100% legal based on court precedent?

#MeToo initially they thought it was going to be outlawed so they encouraged everyone to hoard their files. I think I’ve got the original liberator design, the magazine design, and the AR lower design.

You can bet that if it was technically feasible to make a half-decent gun out of plastic, gun manufactures would've been doing it long ago. I'd be entirely too afraid for my fingers to pull the trigger on something made on a home 3d printer. And if you're just printing the lower to mount a metal barrel in it, really what's the point?

Virtually every gun manufacturer is making guns out of plastic now. The popularity of Glock pistols in the 80s broke ground on non-essential polymer parts to the point where anyone not making a plastic gun is losing out on a big chunk of the market share, so in concept, this is pretty old. With very few exceptions, all these products have a metal slide and barrel, metal firing mechanism, metal springs, and metal trigger linkages. Politicians lost their shit back in the day over Glocks, saying they would be brought onto airplanes and into federal buildings without the knowledge of law enforcement, which was just an outright lie. Some dumb shit journalist brought a 3d printed gun into Israeli parliament to prove a point about how they could be slipped past security, but he almost got his head caved in over in.

Of the top 5 selling handguns in the US last year, 4 of them are mostly polymer, with the exception being a stainless steel revolver.

https://guncarrier.com/top-selling-handguns-august-2017/
 
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Looks like I'll have a reason to buy a 3d printer.
Dude a vz58 printed on my home? Fuckin' A I'm there!

Oh boy, this'll sure make getting through the TSA a lot more fun.
Maybe they'll invent plastic detectors to combat this.
Any plastic strong enough to be used in a gun will be radio opaque. That's how the glock is but libcucks still cried about it being undetectable.
 
Funny how the panic started over the Liberator, a gun designed only to execute an Axis soldier at close range and take HIS gun....

A one-shot pistol, that had to be hand loaded via a breech, had no rifling, was inaccurate at as little as 10 feet (there's YouTube vid of Gun Jesus needing 5 tries IIRC to hit a target at that range, and even then, it keyholed) there's no ejection of the spent case, you have to tip it up and shake it out or use a stick to push out the brass, and 0n every shot, the shoddy thing's sheet metal bits would expand under pressure, and then close, pinching your hand/skin painfully.... if this was the gun the ATF feared, my gosh....
 
These files have been out there for some time. After they were told to be taken down they were mirrored on various torrent site. Shit you can still get the fosscad mega pack on git hub. This is literally not new. But that would require you to have been paying attention, and not be a shitty journalist. I mean people have already uploaded the 3D files so you can print bump stocks up since they are now banned. Those have been out there. (That said you can pretty much make a bump stock for 5 dollars worth of hardware store parts)

Also you don't need a 3D printer to make a gun. Blow back SMGs are stupid simple.

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"But guys, don't you think that making guns illegal would remove the supply of BULLETS? You know, the thing that makes guns WORK?"

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Tell that to the people who use nail gun blanks and brass tubing to create their own. LOL!
 
If some hood rat used a plastic gun to rob a store theyd just have to find the person who printed it. Its still illegal to sell 3D printed guns. The guy with the printer would go to jail and his machine would go to the junkyard.

It would take a while to make up $5000 with 3D printed gun sales.
 
The formula for gunpowder is well known and it's ingredients can be found in the woods, or on a farm, or created in a variety of benign and easy ways that wouldn't arouse suspicion. This isn't meth-making toxic hazmat-level chemistry, there's a reason even the peasantry of Europe could make it in their backyards.

Potassium nitrate can be found in any number of common non-toxic non-regulated chemical products. Hell, if you're really desperate, anyone who can piss in a bucket full of horse manure and wait a few weeks can make it at home, seriously that's the chemical reaction, urine and fertilizer yields nitrates. During the Civil War, the south had soldiers foraging in caves for bat guano because demand was outstripping the supply of piss. Charcoal is available in 50 pound bags at every Wal Mart in the nation, and even if you banned those, you'd have to uninvent FIRE itself for someone not to make their own from scarp wood. Sulphur isn't exactly a rare earth element and you can dig up natural deposits of it all over the place if you know your geology. And lead is readily available from your nearest junk dead car battery once you drain the acid from it...... SULFURIC acid at that, two birds with one stone!

So even if the possession of metallic brass cartridges was illegal, people who wanted to would have no problem making their own powder and shot, and stuffing that down a pipe and pointing it at you...... this genie is out of the bottle folks, and the fact civilization is still standing should tell you how "dangerous" she really is.

I mean, nobody ever died from KNOWING something, it's only when put into action that harm could happen.....
 
Its still illegal to sell 3D printed guns. The guy with the printer would go to jail and his machine would go to the junkyard.
it is not illegal to sell a 3D printed gun any more than selling any other homemade gun. you will need to appropriately mark it and follow your local laws to sell to someone else (through a dealer in some states, and as a private sale in most others).

the machine would likely be sold at a police auction, and the guy that made the gun would only be in trouble if he somehow intentionally supplied the criminal with it for use in commission of a crime. who is to say that the printer wasn't robbed himself?
 
These fucking people... Ok so power level story, duringthe 80s and 90s an uncle of mine worked in a auto repair shop and made a side job of creating guns pretty much exclusivily for crime out of scrap metal, he was so prevalent apparently his work is still being found in my local area, he made 90% profit on those pieces of shit, and he was not a smart man by any means.

The average garage is far more dangerous gun construction wise than a expensive fragile 3D printer that are uncommon enough to be tracked, seriously you can make a decent shotgun out of nothing but bike parts in around 12 hours if you want to skip over the QoL parts like ergonomics.
 
These fucking people... Ok so power level story, duringthe 80s and 90s an uncle of mine worked in a auto repair shop and made a side job of creating guns pretty much exclusivily for crime out of scrap metal, he was so prevalent apparently his work is still being found in my local area, he made 90% profit on those pieces of shit, and he was not a smart man by any means.

The average garage is far more dangerous gun construction wise than a expensive fragile 3D printer that are uncommon enough to be tracked, seriously you can make a decent shotgun out of nothing but bike parts in around 12 hours if you want to skip over the QoL parts like ergonomics.

I think it's the mindset.

These journalists and anti-gun hipsters have never touched a powertool before. They've lived around Keurigs and Juiceros their entire lives. They're about as handy as a hermit crab with brain damage. They don't know what a home-made anything is, they assume all guns are manufactured in specialized facilities just like their iPhones are, and now that these fancy 3D printers exist, appliances that print things with a touch of a button, they're concerned. They have no knowledge or concept of home-made things or black markets. To them, the industry just made a giant, impossible leap from official, licensed guns to guns that can be shit out by a Keurig.

This is due to marketing. Guns are marketed, 3D printers are marketed, illegal guns aren't. It's the same reason they think the media player industry went from the Walkman to iPods overnight, nobody remembers the marketing for every piece of technology in-between those two products. They can only see commercials, it's their entire existence.
 
You know, "gun debate" aside, and at the risk of sounding like a gun control freak, I feel like some sort of filter should be applied to this whole plastic gun thing. It's not about the technology or the politics of something like 3d printing, but rather, the fact that ease of access is not for everyone. Having it this easy for kids to have access to guns is something I believe we all can agree on.

A system to limit potentially dangerous buyers and minors should be set in place, in my honest opinion. Like i said, I don't have an issue with people printing/owning guns, but rather, with the fact that it makes it easier for minors and criminals to own a gun (Even if it is only good for a few shots before it breaks). It is easier for a kid to trick their technologically impaired guardian to print them a "fun looking gun" from the internet than it is for a store owner to run a background check on a potential customer, know what I mean.
 
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