2016 Presidental Debates - Donald J Trump vs Hillary R Clinton

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May as well get this thread out of the way now. Any bets on who screams first (or if Hillary passes out)

First Debate: Monday September 26th, at 9PM at Hofstra University.

It will be streamed on YouTube for free.

Edit: lol fucked up the date
 
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Whining about the refs is the domain of losers in sports and if this was a boxing ring analogy, Donald got his comb-over punched off his pate while Holt tried to keep him defending himself by interjecting to keep him on topic and give him a moment to collect what passes for thoughts in his head. For a guy who keeps saying we'll win so much we'll become tired of it as a nation if we vote for him, this is up there with coming in second in Iowa in the caucus and then crying about the tactics Lyin' Ted employed to wind up in front of him in pathetic coping displays by a scolded candidate. When Frank Luntz has Republican base voters saying they'll sit this one out for the first election since they turned 18 and could vote in his focus group, it's a very bad sign to go along with the Phyllis Schlafly's and Roger Stone's mothers of the world dying months from the time to cast ballots being the ominous overtone to the base voter energy comparison between the two sides.
 
Very Honest Content said:
Whining about the refs is the domain of losers in sports and if this was a boxing ring analogy, Donald got his comb-over punched off his pate while Holt tried to keep him defending himself by interjecting to keep him on topic and give him a moment to collect what passes for thoughts in his head. For a guy who keeps saying we'll win so much we'll become tired of it as a nation if we vote for him, this is up there with coming in second in Iowa in the caucus and then crying about the tactics Lyin' Ted employed to wind up in front of him in pathetic coping displays by a scolded candidate. When Frank Luntz has Republican base voters saying they'll sit this one out for the first election since they turned 18 and could vote in his focus group, it's a very bad sign to go along with the Phyllis Schlafly's and Roger Stone's mothers of the world dying months from the time to cast ballots being the ominous overtone to the base voter energy comparison between the two sides.
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Trump was asked 15 personal questions where he had to defend himself while Clinton got 2 and shit like Benghazi and the Clinton Foundation were ignored entirely

Lester Holt is a biased hack
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Trump was asked 15 personal questions where he had to defend himself while Clinton got 2 and shit like Benghazi and the Clinton Foundation were ignored entirely

Lester Holt is a biased hack
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One of the questions he was asked was almost quite literally "why do you hate women Mr Trump? Regardless of your political orientation that's incredibly unprofessional on the part of the moderator.

Inb4 salty dumb ratings from feedtheoctopus.
 
Ruin said:
One of the questions he was asked was almost quite literally "why do you hate women Mr Trump? Regardless of your political orientation that's incredibly unprofessional on the part of the moderator.

Inb4 salty dumb ratings from feedtheoctopus.
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Another one was "Why did you say Obama wasn't born in the US 4 years ago?"

Is that really a policy issue that needed to be discussed? Not his stance on any laws, just a suspicion that he admits he perpetuated that Obama was not a natural US citizen?

Did the moderator ask why Hillary Clinton referred to black people as "Super Predators who must be brought to heel" decades ago? Why did only one of these "racist" comments get brought up by the moderator?
 
Very Honest Content said:
If you can't stand the heat get off the stage . . .
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No one's complaining that Lester asked too difficult questions, the complaints are that they were only directed at Trump. What "difficult" questions did he lob at Clinton?

When did he ask Clinton to answer the debate question more accurately? He asked Trump why he hadn't released his tax returns, Trump replied he would after either the audit was over, or when Hillary released the 33,000 emails she deleted, and then Lester asked Trump again why he hadn't released his tax returns as if he didn't say he was going to when the audit was over.
 
The moderator was very weak in regards to both Clinton and Trump. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. He tried at first and some at the end, but for most of it he barely even stopped them if they went over two minutes.
Shugo said:
Is that really a policy issue that needed to be discussed?
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People who care about policy either already made up their minds or will do research on their own. The debates are really just who can get in the most zingers/who 'wins'. Substance doesn't really matter too much. All their issues are already on the table on their websites and in past interviews/articles, so people who are undecided at this point just want to see who comes out looking the best irregardless of positions.
 
Shugo said:
Trump talked over him so much, it was hilarious. He couldn't get anyone to stop after their "2 minutes."
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These moderators are so soft. Why even have this time limit? Every single debate I've seen it's barely enforced. Just throw them on the stage, give them a vague topic, and let them go at it, only interrupting if one of them lies and call them out on it (both sides). Maybe have an ending round for specific questions or something. But the moderator is pointless.
 
That debate was a disappointment and a half. I tuned in hoping to see this turn into the chimpout I've anticipated for months but it didn't. *sigh*
 
Trump could bring up whatever 'difficult' questions he wanted to and didn't. Low energy effort by the guy who got castrated on stage last night. If your entire crossover draw appeal is 'insult comic on stage with politicians' and you don't deliver the insult comic goods your opening night on the biggest stage there is, you've failed to deliver.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
r/the_donald was brigading online polls last night. They posted a long list of them on reddit. Rest assured, nobody in the right mind thinks Trump won this.
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Actually most of those polls were still open through 9 this morning, and had almost or over a million to a couple million votes, and /R/the Donald cracked down on brigading, deeming it undemocratic so the majority of the people voting was the American public

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Trump could bring up whatever 'difficult' questions he wanted to and didn't. Low energy effort by the guy who got castrated on stage last night. If your entire crossover draw appeal is 'insult comic on stage with politicians' and you don't deliver the insult comic goods your opening night on the biggest stage there is, you've failed to deliver.
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Trumps literally doing the same thing as Obama in 2012.
 
The_Doctor said:
Trumps literally doing the same thing as Obama in 2012.
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Obama was the insult comic on stage with a politician in 2012 is what you're saying? Or he's suckering Clinton into a 'please proceed Secretary' moment on what topic or issue you think?
 
Ruin said:
Do you even remember the 2008 campaign? Obama played the race card on Clinton a fuck ton, leaked emails show she's still pissed about it.
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Clinton despises Obama. One of the Colin Powell emails said she won't even say his name, just refers to him as "that man" when it's just her and her good company.
 
Ruin said:
Do you even remember the 2008 campaign? Obama played the race card on Clinton a fuck ton, leaked emails show she's still pissed about it.
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LOL calm down. Yeah I remember the 2008 Democratic primary campaign well. Even if we take your post as truth 100%, they joined forces after the election so what's your point I'm not following from the assertion about her feelings about whatever is being alluded to by it and the current President isn't on the ballot this time last time I checked . . .
 
Very Honest Content said:
Obama was the insult comic on stage with a politician in 2012 is what you're saying? Or he's suckering Clinton into a 'please proceed Secretary' moment on what topic or issue you think?
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I meant hes doing Obama's strategy of not doing much the first debate and suckering your opponent into using a shit ton of their material
 
The_Doctor said:
I meant hes doing Obama's strategy of not doing much the first debate and suckering your opponent into using a shit ton of their material
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Understood. That has its risk if you can't no sell the onslaught. I thought Obama was not on his best footing as a politician that night personally but I guess it could be construed as a rope-a-dope strategy, how'd that work out for the originator of that inspiration again in the long run? :\

I got the sense Hillary was hitting all the triggering labels she could to fire up the base because she'll need a wave election turnout to have any hope of not being a one term executive, so she got the sexist, racist, class labels in front of the record interest crowd turning on to this for the first time in many instances because her base responds to those strongly like the bells are deafening. The Miss Universe stuff was when I thought Trump was going to escalate back at her but instead he made a point to keep on the satin gloves and that was the surprise of the night for my money.

Well honestly, that did barely beat out the lingering suspicions that Donald Trump enjoys the cyber with anyone he can get a hold of for insidious reasons and he's amazed at Baron's ability to cyber even better . . .
 
If I were an undecided voter, I probably would've been more swayed by Donald last night. I'm a registered Democrat, I'm going to vote for Hillary (not because I feel obligated to vote for a Democrat, more because Democrat is almost always going to align more with my personal beliefs and politics, and she's no exception). But I will say this--she lacks charisma, and what everyone says about her answers sounding so robotic and rehearsed is true. Trump kind of went off on some strange rabbit trails, but he spoke in a way that seemed sincere. I don't like him, but I will admit that. And whoever is managing him/his campaign now is brilliant--because he didn't resort to personal attacks, and he often even agreed with Hillary and had no problem admitting when he did.

Do I like Trump? Haha, no. Hell no. But I respect him more than I did before. And as a diehard liberal, I think something like that should be worrying to the Democrats. There are people like me out that who, while being a liberal Democrat, don't particularly like or want to vote for Hillary (after all, I was a Bernie supporter) and while I won't vote for Trump, Hillary completely failed to charm me. I'll still vote, but I wouldn't be surprised if liberal voters who were considering voted for Jill Stein have now decided to.
 
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