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Snekposter said:
No no, Kojima had legitimate talent. Had being the keyword there. Metal Gear 1 and 2 and MGS 1-3 are good and interesting games, and you know why? Because despite whatever deep political undertones he wrote in, they're all gloriously hammy like a Hollywood blockbuster. And so a hamfisted monologue on philosophy fits in perfectly since its not any more ridiculous than anything else going on. Solid Snake is what you get when a Japanese guy decides to mash together John Rambo and Snake Plissken into one character. Headband, mullet, stylish weapon that looks better than it really is (FAMAS). Hilariously named villains like Revolver Ocelot and Decoy Octopus. MGS2 has a bomb expert named Fatman for Christ's sake, and we all know exactly what a Japanese guy was connecting him with. MGS3 has a living beehive named The Pain who fires Bullet Bees at you, an electrokinetic Russian who spouts one-liners and has a twink BF he powerbottoms for, and more crosses, double-crosses, and triple-crosses than a Cold War spy novel.

But at some point after MGS3 he decides to get super serial with his writing and instead of bisexual Romanian vampires and Fourth Wall breaking psychics we get.... NANOMACHINES. And when you go from a ridiculous pulp-style action movie universe to something actually serious things just collapse.
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I think an oft-missed key point here is that his co-writer left after MGS3.
 
Snekposter said:
Well, I wasn't aware of that. Certainly explains things.
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Yeah, Tomokazu Fukushima. His own attempt at writing a Metal Gear game solo (acid or acid 2, iirc) was pretty divisive, so apparently, the whole was greater than the sum of its parts in regards to MGS.

Also, obligatory reminder that Kokojumbo wanted MGS4 to end with Snake and Otacon being executed for war crimes and his entire team had to threaten to quit to tardwrangle him out of it.
 
Punished Benis said:
Yeah, Tomokazu Fukushima. His own attempt at writing a Metal Gear game solo (acid or acid 2, iirc) was pretty divisive, so apparently, the whole was greater than the sum of its parts in regards to MGS.

Also, obligatory reminder that Kokojumbo wanted MGS4 to end with Snake and Otacon being executed for war crimes and his entire team had to threaten to quit to tardwrangle him out of it.
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Damn shame. I didn't play MGS4 at all (had already switched over to PC by then), but MGS5 would have been a lot more fun if it had been shamelessly Rambo III. Big Boss gets brought out of retirement to go take down the Russians, the Feds backstab him, he survives, reveals himself, failure covered up, segue into MG1.
 
I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
And here I thought two old men having a slap fight was a dumb ending...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Zp4nwsFA
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Not really. I think its quite fitting given we were working up to a Liquid/Solid rematch what with Liquid possessing Ocelot via that arm back in MGS2. Its just that Kojima really needed his co-writer's help for the big finale. Would have been autistic in a better way and come off as a swan song and homage to the action hero genre, kinda like how RDR1/2 is like that to the Old West.

Edit for some autism of my own:
Liquid: "One must die, and one must live. No victory, no defeat. The survivor will carry on the fight. It is our destiny... The one who survives will inherit the title of Snake, and the one who inherits the title of Snake will face an existence of endless battle."
Solid: "Does it have to be that way? One lives, and one dies? Can't we just walk away, Liquid?"
(Two Old Men Slapfighting Later)
Solid: "I can't fight you anymore, Liquid. I'm too old."
Liquid: "I would call you weak, Brother, but... *coughing*. We both win... and we both die. No more endless battle for us."

Both collapse, heroically dying in battle for their causes, and no more Snakes or Bosses. The titles die with both of them, and an era ends.
 
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