Victoria 3 Confirmed - It already sucks

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Untrue and Dishonest said:
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I do like that they promise not just map painting being the only fun thing in the game. Of course this could also be because "war is bad let's celebrate diversity instead" or some shit. Am I being too optimistic?
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Too optimistic. Unless they go full city builder, you can’t model a “society” on the global scale they use.
It’s the same problem with HOI. Really good at modelling Barbarossa, but everything else happens at too small a scale to be included. D-Day, any Pacific island battle, Market Garden, Battle of the Bulge. Happened in basically one region in game, maybe two.
 
Untrue and Dishonest said:
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I do like that they promise not just map painting being the only fun thing in the game. Of course this could also be because "war is bad let's celebrate diversity instead" or some shit. Am I being too optimistic?
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They're adding racism mechanics to a game that extends into the 1930s so who knows.
 
Slap47 said:
They're adding racism mechanics to a game that extends into the 1930s so who knows.
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Knowing how things are balanced these days, you'll be able to have the United States with 2021-tier racial mores in 1921. Like I genuinely wonder if there will be a "reparations" feature for past oppressed minorities like blacks, Indians (dot and feather), and of course Jews. Like not even "40 acres and a mule", like after you paid enough mana to end all of your racist policies, you get an event that says "let's finish our racial reckoning by paying for the sins of the past" and clicking "yes" takes money from your treasury and gives it to all the minority POPs who of course spend it wisely and the event helps your economy.
 
Swiss46 said:
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lmao
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Paradox banned me from their forums until 2023 for making a thread discussing real-life aspects of slavery and how it can be modelled. Even though they have threads up at this moment talking about killing civilians.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Paradox banned me from their forums until 2023 for making a thread discussing real-life aspects of slavery and how it can be modelled. Even though they have threads up at this moment talking about killing civilians.
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it's your own fault for expecting any genuine discussion on paradox forums.

do you have a screenshot of the post? Maybe a lolcow forum can have a better discussion ;)
 
vulgar said:
it's your own fault for expecting any genuine discussion on paradox forums.

do you have a screenshot of the post? Maybe a lolcow forum can have a better discussion ;)
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Unfortunately not.

The kicker is that I got something like eight "Helpful" ratings last time I checked, there was some discussion (all positive), and I even included in my OP a list of books on slavery (including New Deal-era interview anthologies) for those interested.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Unfortunately not.

The kicker is that I got something like eight "Helpful" ratings last time I checked, there was some discussion (all positive), and I even included in my OP a list of books on slavery (including New Deal-era interview anthologies) for those interested.
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that's unfortunate, it seems like Paradox is taking an approach of slavery being a net-negative regardless of context (similar to Vicky2).

I suppose these are dangerous times to be talking about such things, but disappointing that a game that's designed around economic exploitation has difficulty having reasonable discussions about the epitome of economic exploitation. It continues to reinforce my belief that this is not the time for Vicky3
 
Isn't the entire left-leaning narrative that everything the West ever is and was comes down to it being built atop of slavery? Sounds more like the entire game should exalt slavery as the best way forward to advance into the industrial age quickly and with limited deaths. But we all know that it'll just end up being a -5 stat copied and pasted in a pile of nested menus with a gray-brown motif.
 
Radical Cadre said:
Isn't the entire left-leaning narrative that everything the West ever is and was comes down to it being built atop of slavery? Sounds more like the entire game should exalt slavery as the best way forward to advance into the industrial age quickly and with limited deaths. But we all know that it'll just end up being a -5 stat copied and pasted in a pile of nested menus with a gray-brown motif.
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Take your pills.

Anyways they're adding globohomo just by the sheer amount of braindead lefties who are lining up to buy this game. They're going to say, "Well Weimar allowed gays and trannies, so expect it in 1836." It's almost a guarantee.

The dev diary threads are either full of simps who buy anything Paradox, or TNO devs wanting to turn the game into visual novel where there is more words about the gays then actual gameplay.

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Save the Loli said:
Knowing how things are balanced these days, you'll be able to have the United States with 2021-tier racial mores in 1921. Like I genuinely wonder if there will be a "reparations" feature for past oppressed minorities like blacks, Indians (dot and feather), and of course Jews. Like not even "40 acres and a mule", like after you paid enough mana to end all of your racist policies, you get an event that says "let's finish our racial reckoning by paying for the sins of the past" and clicking "yes" takes money from your treasury and gives it to all the minority POPs who of course spend it wisely and the event helps your economy.
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It's very likely that making social liberalism actually work will be very easy. The button will just be "more programs" and that's all you'll need for more utopia. Paradox is pretty bad with having policies that have positives and negatives that are balanced.
 
Slap47 said:
It's very likely that making social liberalism actually work will be very easy. The button will just be "more programs" and that's all you'll need for more utopia. Paradox is pretty bad with having policies that have positives and negatives that are balanced.
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Choosing Capitalism is the good choice. Choosing Communism is the bad choice. Choosing slavery is the right choice.
 
Just spent all of four minutes in Victoria Mod Co-op and I've seen more fags with pride profile pictures than anything else. What a fucking disaster of a fanbase.
 
MuhCree said:
Just spent all of four minutes in Victoria Mod Co-op and I've seen more fags with pride profile pictures than anything else. What a fucking disaster of a fanbase.
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that's a recent thing due to the Vicky3 announcement - Vicky2 has seen a massive player uptick so now there's a bunch of reddit fags shitting up the bigger communities.

Vicky2 multiplayer has always been extremely autistic, a mix between trains and swastikas, but I guess it's being usurped by the current generation's tranny autism
 
Radical Cadre said:
Choosing Capitalism is the good choice. Choosing Communism is the bad choice. Choosing slavery is the right choice.
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Choosing communism will be the ideal, but require alot of micro. Pander to people who argue that previous communism was just done wrong or by done by evil people.
 
Deadwaste said:
i need a degree in economics to even play this game
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A degree in economics would ruin the game for you. An actual economist (well, self-alleged, it was on Reddit) wrote up an analysis of Victoria 2 that showed its microeconomic foundations are so incredibly bad that it's impossible to make it work properly. The game only looks good at a distance, in the superficial sense that population buys things on its own and you have cigarette factories and telephone factories instead of just "CONSUMER FACTORIES."
 
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