2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Zero Day Defense said:
States don't have sovereignty re: who they decide to grant marriage certificates to or whether they allow abortion because of penumbral emanations or somesuch, but are allowed to conduct federal elections any way they please despite the federal implications and despite the fact that they run afoul of both the federal constitution and their own.

...makes sense.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Constitutional Law.
 
RandomTwitterGuy said:
There is no smoking gun or any evidence outside of "Guy on twitter" there is only PA and even then it might be nothing.
So right now you peeps freaking out about this is helping to sell the idea that "Voting don't mater" so nice work. Democrats will have and easier time.

If i was a Democrat right now i would have a major hardon as you guys are possibly giving the Dems the biggest power Posts in generations.
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the smoking is gun is that no one can prove every vote came from an individual legal voter. You'd think would be easy since there're voter rolls to start with. The gop joined the dnc in not performing sig audits, i don't see a difference between the gop and the dnc.

soy_king said:
How long will that last before you realize that Chuck Schumer will now have the majority?
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if mitch keeps his majority, he won't learn a thing. I live in a democrat city, having a dem majority in senate won't really mean much.
 
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RandomTwitterGuy said:
There is no smoking gun or any evidence outside of "Guy on twitter" there is only PA and even then it might be nothing.
So right now you peeps freaking out about this is helping to sell the idea that "Voting don't mater" so nice work. Democrats will have and easier time.

If i was a Democrat right now i would have a major hardon as you guys are possibly giving the Dems the biggest power Posts in generations.
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Doesnt matter if it was fraudulent.
People are losing faith and trust in the system.

They are starting to see the goverment and other factions as a possible threat to their well being.

This shit show of an election feeds into those feelings. Regardless if it was fraudulent or not.

And no one involved is doing anything to help people restore feelings of trust and good faith. The exact opposite really.


When I say factions I dont mean democrats or republicans.

I mean race (white,black, ect) economic class, political idealogy (progressives are liberty minded people are going get shafted)

Every group has reason to be suspicious of the other one. Or has outright declared a hostile agenda
Such as the great reset.
 
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murdered meat bag said:
the smoking is gun is that no one can prove every vote came from an individual legal voter. You'd think would be easy since there're voter rolls to start with. The gop joined the dnc in not performing sig audits, i don't see a difference between the gop and the dnc.
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There's no way they're going to be able to definitively prove every single vote came from a legal voter, but they can at least establish a substantial level of confidence.

The reluctance to do signature audits, even though it's not unheard of and has been used to thin out opposition, has more to do with the reluctance the political class as a whole has to expose the rotting infrastructure of our voting system.
 
Reisen Storm said:
Now, this is before the whole audit discovered that 11% percent of the sample was fraudulent, but holy shit, if they still cuck out after that, then the republican party deserves to fucking die.

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The GOP has always been there for 3 things:

1. Serving Israel
2. Serving Big Corporations
3. Adopting the social policies The Postmodern Left had 20 years ago

Conservatives have conserved nothing except tax cuts for George Soros and The Postmodern Left's cultural victories. They couldn't even conserve women's bathrooms. The GOP only exists to suck oxygen out of the room from people who could provide meaningful opposition to the Postmodern Left. Ditch the GOP and support guys like Patriot Front and National Justice Party. Electoralism has failed, we need Vanguardism.
 
murdered meat bag said:
the smoking is gun is that no one can prove every vote came from an individual legal voter. You'd think would be easy since there're voter rolls to start with. The gop joined the dnc in not performing sig audits, i don't see a difference between the gop and the dnc.
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That is not a smoking gun that is your felling's.

Are you simple? So a elections should be held with secret ballots right? HOW EVER you want a voting record of every one who voted and it should be linked to a vote??
You cant have SECRET VOTING and NOT SECRET RECORD KEEPING OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL VOTE TIED TO A PERSON AND WHAT THEY VOTED!!!.

Also there is a lot of possible flaws here and there. This is manual work it will never be a 100% perfect. Mistakes happen, but how would you fix that? Right you would not and you are only sad because the team you voted for lost.

If Trump cared he would audit EVERY STATE. Even the ones he won in because then he could show it is systematic voter fraud, but he wont. IF you cared you would ask for a full audit of every state in America, but you don't. IF trump won it was a fair election, if he lost it was stolen how very 2016 of you.
 
RandomTwitterGuy said:
That is not a smoking gun that is your felling's.

Are you simple? So a elections should be held with secret ballots right? HOW EVER you want a voting record of every one who voted and it should be linked to a vote??
You cant have SECRET VOTING and NOT SECRET RECORD KEEPING OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL VOTE TIED TO A PERSON AND WHAT THEY VOTED!!!.

Also there is a lot of possible flaws here and there. This is manual work it will never be a 100% perfect. Mistakes happen, but how would you fix that? Right you would not and you are only sad because the team you voted for lost.

If Trump cared he would audit EVERY STATE. Even the ones he won in because then he could show it is systematic voter fraud, but he wont. IF you cared you would ask for a full audit of every state in America, but you don't. IF trump won it was a fair election, if he lost it was stolen how very 2016 of you.
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my state has voter id and sig matches. it also has the gop who cucks whenever the local gop candidate gets fucked by absentee ballots. people know you voted but can't know who you voted for.

we've been over this all day yesterday, there aren't multiple lawsuits alleging election illegitimacy in numerous states in 2016. if you say "this car is green" you can prove it, same applies to 'this was a secure election". we've gone over it multiple times this week and all times the people saying "this was a secure election" lost.
 
I think it is funny that you think this is about Red or Blue at the moment. Here is a visual representation of what I feel based on anecdote and opinion about the Republicans and Democrats.

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It is now, people vs the government. How will the life force, the foundation for the elites, react to our government blatantly disregarding them? It is unknown, but based on the general reaction among conservative friends, the anger levels skipped the boisterous name calling and went straight to silent seething and vengefulness. It'll be interesting to see what they do with it; regardless.
 
RandomTwitterGuy said:
That is not a smoking gun that is your felling's.

Are you simple? So a elections should be held with secret ballots right? HOW EVER you want a voting record of every one who voted and it should be linked to a vote??
You cant have SECRET VOTING and NOT SECRET RECORD KEEPING OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL VOTE TIED TO A PERSON AND WHAT THEY VOTED!!!.

Also there is a lot of possible flaws here and there. This is manual work it will never be a 100% perfect. Mistakes happen, but how would you fix that? Right you would not and you are only sad because the team you voted for lost.

If Trump cared he would audit EVERY STATE. Even the ones he won in because then he could show it is systematic voter fraud, but he wont. IF you cared you would ask for a full audit of every state in America, but you don't. IF trump won it was a fair election, if he lost it was stolen how very 2016 of you.
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An election must be held with transparency because there is no assumption of trust, we only trust a something like an election because there is transparency.

if there is overseeing of the process, people can see the public documents, counting happens while being observed, tabulation is disclosed, laws are agreed upon on, then ok, the smoking gun of fraud needs the positive presentation of evidence.

in this election none of the above was true, no observation, lost costudy documents, hidden counting, hidden results, hidden processes, illegal legislative manuevers, no audits, and now recently hidden audits with results blocked by a court, the organizers of the election have to prove that the results are legitimate, because there is no reason to believe so, one doesn't get to count in secret than ask people to prove that they were given fake numbers, transparency is what gives elections legitimacy.

is what I said before, the evidence these elections were fishy is simply the blatant lack of transparency, several issues that are law violations by themselves, transparency in an election is not optional.

show the documents, show the results and show the audits, and most of the tension will go away, hide all of that and the legitimacy of the whole process should rightfully be contested.
 
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The part that really worries me is that it worked, they got absolutely everything they wanted and we as a species replicate success. I have a feeling we'll have strict lockdowns every four years from here on out. Every time the Democrats need to win the presidency a crisis will pop up that requires us to shut down the country and mass vote by mail.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
The reluctance to do signature audits, even though it's not unheard of and has been used to thin out opposition, has more to do with the reluctance the political class as a whole has to expose the rotting infrastructure of our voting system.
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Which ironically, in turn, is exposing the rotting infrastructure of our voting system.
 
Ruin said:
The part that really worries me is that it worked, they got absolutely everything they wanted and we as a species replicate success. I have a feeling we'll have strict lockdowns every four years from here on out. Every time the Democrats need to win the presidency a crisis will pop up that requires us to shut down the country and mass vote by mail.
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I'm confused, you think this lockdown will be over in 8 years?
 
RandomTwitterGuy said:
That is not a smoking gun that is your felling's.

Are you simple? So a elections should be held with secret ballots right? HOW EVER you want a voting record of every one who voted and it should be linked to a vote??
You cant have SECRET VOTING and NOT SECRET RECORD KEEPING OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL VOTE TIED TO A PERSON AND WHAT THEY VOTED!!!.

Also there is a lot of possible flaws here and there. This is manual work it will never be a 100% perfect. Mistakes happen, but how would you fix that? Right you would not and you are only sad because the team you voted for lost.

If Trump cared he would audit EVERY STATE. Even the ones he won in because then he could show it is systematic voter fraud, but he wont. IF you cared you would ask for a full audit of every state in America, but you don't. IF trump won it was a fair election, if he lost it was stolen how very 2016 of you.
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I would love a full audit of every state and if it turns out the democrats are just better cheaters than the Republicans I laugh genuinely. Just like I did when I first saw this clip.

 
I was super bummed until HK's post reminded me of the various options that are still left. I remembered how only 1 House and 1 Senate member need to say no for it to be kicked back to the state legislatures, and so I made a list of R and D legislators. It's according to Ballotpedia, so it may not be 100% correct.

D-
CA
CO
CT
DE
HI
IL
ME
MD
MA
NV
NM
OR
RI
VT
VA
WA
Total: 18

R-
AL
AZ
AK
FL
GA
ID
IA
IN
KS
KY
LA
MI
MO
MT
NE
NH
NC
ND
OH
OK
PA
SC
SD
TN
UT
WV
WI
WY
Total: 28

Ballotpedia didn't have results for MN or AK, so I didn't include them.

That large of a margin should be enough to account for RINOs. I can't use the sides of the Texas lawsuit because the AG might not match the legislature, as well as the various territories being included.
 
DtoDab said:
An election must be held with transparency because there is no assumption of trust, we only trust a something like an election because there is transparency.

if there is overseeing of the process, people can see the public documents, counting happens while being observed, tabulation is disclosed, laws are agreed upon on, then ok, the smoking gun of fraud needs the positive presentation of evidence.

in this election none of the above was true, no observation, lost costudy documents, hidden counting, hidden results, hidden processes, illegal legislative manuevers, no audits, and now recently hidden audits with results blocked by a court, the organizers of the election have to prove that the results are legitimate, because there is no reason to believe so.

is what I said before, the evidence these elections were fishy is simply the blatant lack of transparency, several issues that are law violations by themselves, transparency in an election is not optional.

show the documents, show the results and show the audits, and most of the tension will go away, hide all of that and the legitimacy of the whole process should rightfully be contested.
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All the Audits so far have shown fucking NOTHING!!!! and yet you will move the goal post.

Your team lost and that made you sad, so your felling's are hurt. That is all.
 
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