📚 Megathread Tranny Sideshows on Social Media - Any small-time spectacle on Reddit, Tumblr, Twitter, Dating Sites, and other social media.

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Jesus, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I've heard of lots of instances of male trannies mimicking the women around them and stealing the names of their sisters/female friends to use for themselves, but I think this is the first time I've heard of it happening with a female tranny.

Also this bit:

Is a yaoi thing. It's very common for the character that's on the bottom to be constantly saying no, stop. It's why yaoi gets accused of being rapey. The no, stop pleading even happens when it's consensual sex and the character's actually enjoying it, so it's very normalized. (I'm pretty sure it's also a thing in hentai/Japanese porn as well?)

At risk of being Islamic, Japanese hentai has a lot of rapey shit. Especially yaoi, to the point that a non-rapey one is weirdly rare.
I don’t know why, but that’s what Japan seems to like.

 

[NoReturn]

I don’t know why, but that’s what Japan seems to like.

Someone once told me it's because the expectations for women are for them to be ladylike and uninterested in sex (and also to be quiet and squeaky in bed, gross). They aren't "allowed" to be into sex because it's too masculine and too far outside the societal expectations for them. That same someone also said she was banging a Japanese guy once and he lost his erection when she tried to be more active. He wanted her to lie there like a fish.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Someone once told me it's because the expectations for women are for them to be ladylike and uninterested in sex (and also to be quiet and squeaky in bed, gross). They aren't "allowed" to be into sex because it's too masculine and too far outside the societal expectations for them. That same someone also said she was banging a Japanese guy once and he lost his erection when she tried to be more active. He wanted her to lie there like a fish.

Maybe I’m just a weird pervert, but it’s nice when the person you’re with is giving some effort back.
I just don’t see how any of that sounds fun, it sounds like work.

 

[Peaches Demure]

They don't care if we're uncomfortable. Real girls don't matter, even if we're the smaller and weaker sex.

Slight powerlevel, but I don't know where else to put this and feel it's relevant. I was in a public restroom, alone. Heard the door open as I was finishing up, didn't think anything of it. Exit the stall and nearly screamed when I saw a troon standing at the mirrors doing his makeup. He was huge. Makeup looked nice, and his wig looked realistic and styled. Clothes were clean, casual, and fit him too. Basically, this troon appeared to put in effort to pass. He wasn't like the ones in this thread.

And yet... it was still a very scary experience. I'm 5'5 and weigh 110. This guy was at least 6'3 and looked like a body builder that was currently on a cut cycle. Every instinct in my body was screaming that I was in danger. 5 or so years ago, I would have screamed at this guy and ran out, alerting staff that there's a MAN in the women's restroom.

Now though? I can't do that, or else I'll be deemed a bigot and accused of committing violence. I had to fight against every instinct that I've been taught to listen to since I was a little girl, and calmly act like it didn't bother me that I was alone in a restroom with a huge man I don't know, who was in the way of the exit. Worse, this bathroom doesn't get a lot of traffic, which is why I chose it in the first place. I had to pretend that all was well as I washed my hands and gave him a polite smile after he said "Heeey how are you?" before quickly leaving.

The situation is so absurd, yet that's our current reality.

To this Sasquatch in a dress, the fact that you briefly smiled at him and didn't call for security unfortunately meant that he believed he "passed" and probably later bragged about using the women's restroom.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Someone once told me it's because the expectations for women are for them to be ladylike and uninterested in sex (and also to be quiet and squeaky in bed, gross). They aren't "allowed" to be into sex because it's too masculine and too far outside the societal expectations for them. That same someone also said she was banging a Japanese guy once and he lost his erection when she tried to be more active. He wanted her to lie there like a fish.

Maybe I’m just a weird pervert, but it’s nice when the person you’re with is giving some effort back.
I just don’t see how any of that sounds fun, it sounds like work.

Aren't cultural norms wonderful?

I guess that's why we're not seeing so many troons out of Japan yet. They don't get to pretend to be Stunning and Brave there, and they want to fuck lesbians and not just lie there like a fish. Food for thought.

 

[Bleeding Heart]

Doug/Donna Perry, they basically killed some prostitues and trooned out years later and when finally arrested they tried to first play it off as them always being a woman and having no idea who Doug is, then they said Doug probably did it and then something like they killed woman because they wasted their womanhood.

Anyway what stood out to me the most is that neither name of the killer has a Wikipedia page, it seems odd such an interesting serial killer would not have one when even lesser ones do.

Sounds like an upstanding citizen like you needs to rectify the situation and write up a nice little wikiarticle. Completely factual of course, no trolling plans here mods.

Fireworks at gender reveal party start a fire. Trannies saying stupid things:

Three fires? How much longer must we suffer in the hands of the cistriarchy!? Won't somebody think of the children that we definitely don't groom to join a cult and mutilate their bodies!

These lovely ladies were all on a dating app, of course as the true lesbian women they are. (Except the last one who was pansexual. I'd like to think even he knows he needs to cast as wide a net as possible.)

Damn, Onision trooned out?!

 

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

Muslim genderspecial 'coming out' doesn't yield satisfactory dick sucking..... fucking whyt people



Also :

 

[Opinion Discarded]

Spoiler: How I became a "transphobic asshole"

She was the daughter of a single mother and, she was very shy with people of the opposite sex, I kind of felt like a "savior" for her because not only I was her partner, but also wanted to understand the "male mentality" despite the fact that she was already slightly masculine herself (only in aesthetics, she wasn't afraid of her breasts nor vagina)

However, everything went to shit at the end of 2019, she stopped taking showers because she thought: "hmmm, men are literally troglodytes, so I'm going to stop taking a shower so I'll be like them!"
Weeks passed, she started wearing a binder to hide her breasts, and the problem is that sometimes she was complaining alot due to discomfort from wearing the binder but, I didn't question it, I accepted her.
More weeks went by, she then felt comfortable enough to come out to me as "non-binary" so she used neutral pronouns. I, innocent in those days, thought: "Hmmm, I have to support her (oops transphobia), I care so much about her and I don't want to see her sad, even if I hate it, she still has her vagina so everything is fine, she still looks like a girl anyways, so what's the problem?"

More weeks passed, and she forced me to use masculine pronouns, I accidentally used "she" and she was sad, again, I innocent, I went to talk to her: and I was like: "Sorry!! Yadda Yadda!! I love you and I don't want to see you like this, I will respect you and I love my cute trans boyfriend (ew). "

Then, this was the point that she started being disgusting. She started to mimic me, I was getting very uncomfortable by that time. Everything I did, she mimicked, my clothes, the way I speak, the way I write, the way I am on general. She fucking mimcked me. And, to make it even worst, she picked a name that was very similiar to mine, just a variant. For example, imagine you're named "Mike", and she chooses "Michael" as a new name? I was fucking uncomfortable, she was literally clone of me, and still... I still tolerated her.

This girl with breasts, XX chromosomes, and vagina, starts telling people how much of a gay boy she is, how much of a gay fluffy wuffy yaoi twink boy she is, despite the fucking fact that she's just a fujoshi neet girl who's trying to emulate her yaoi fanfics on me.

When I went to have sex with her, she only wanted anal, never vaginal, never. She kept saying me that I was hurting her, and she wanted to feel more and more pain. However I felt like, uncomfortable and horny comfortable at the same time? I don't know, but I felt like a rapist. She was literally saying "no, no, stop, it hurts, please stop it hurts", but in less than a minute or so she takes it back and wants me to literally open her wide. I guess she has a fetish for pain or some shit. Still, I felt bad because I knew she was feeling pain.

On foreplay she was roleplaying like it was a yaoi, it was cringy. as. fuck.
"Stroke that dick boy, open your mouth wide"
...Said the fujoshi girl that pretended that her clitoris was a dick.
Like, girl, how fucking deluded are you?
I'm literally seeing a vagina and a clit here, you always have let me play with that when you "were a girl", you fucking liked it and I know it. And now out of nowhere, you're only letting me to flick your bean while pretending that it's a dick?
You're just as fucking cringy as these trannies who think that their asshole is a pussy.

Now, the last fucking straw was when I went to fuck her one day and, she asked me if I wanted to be "the bottom boy" (pegging). I just said, no, you're a girl, you have tits, and I refuse to engage in your retarded yaoi fanfic LARP. You're a tranny and you should get help ASAP. Also I'm not gay at all, you're a girl. Fuck off.
I left, ignored her calls, ignored her messages, and then she started to cry and baw and scream how much of a transphobic asshole I am, how much of a asshole I was because "I only used ""him"" for sex" for days until she disappeared and I never heard of her again.

Incels are fucking lucky, they don't have to deal with any of that shit.

In a nutshell:
>Be me, 19 to 20 years old
>Meet a girl in college
>She was cute but kinda tomboyish
>Date her for a year, everything is great
>Girl starts forcing you to engage on her yaoi roleplays
>You're uncomfortable
>She starts mimicking you so much that she steals your personality and is always stalking you so she can be you
>She asks you to engage on a yaoi paianal roleplay, you still do it because you love her
>She asks you to get your ass fucked by her
>You refuse
>She starts crying and screaming and throwing shit on the ground
>Never hear from her ever again
>mfw you thought everything was going to be perfect but she was a fucking psycho that emotionally abused you over the coom
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Jesus fucking Christ, what an absolute nightmare. You went above and beyond for her and tolerated some heinous shit, and that still wasn't enough to satisfy her creepy yaoi fantasies. Sorry you had to go through that, but I'm really glad you got out. It's incredible how so many people are willing to destroy their relationships and abuse the people who love them because of some dumb anime kink.

Even though it's less common than men trooning out on their girlfriends/wives your situation isn't all that unusual, unfortunately enough. Whenever a fakeboi brags about her "cis gay" boyfriend or husband who accepts her as a True and Honest Gay Man and validates her identuhtee with his penis, she's talking about the long-suffering straight man she started dating when she was a normal girl who plays along with her gay man LARP out of love and/or because she still has a pussy.

Is a yaoi thing. It's very common for the character that's on the bottom to be constantly saying no, stop. It's why yaoi gets accused of being rapey. The no, stop pleading even happens when it's consensual sex and the character's actually enjoying it, so it's very normalized. (I'm pretty sure it's also a thing in hentai/Japanese porn as well?)

I can't believe fujos are still into this kind of tripe. Even in the mid-late aughts the stereotypical rapey seme/crying girly uke stuff was already passé and widely mocked, even by girls who liked yaoi.

 

[aquariumwater]

Not particularly egregious, but it made me chuckle when a friend sent me a mildly amusing tweet in the form of a low res jpg and even with the tiny image it was immediately obvious that it was a man.


bonus, of course he's proud to be a pervert:


Then again, how can he not be horny all day every day when we're all legally compelled to play along with his fantasy?

 

[garbage cake]

more whining that lesbians don't want the D, and are immediately blocking the troons on HER:


Quick note that no, you fucking cannot politely tell them to go away, lest they report your account for "phobia".
There are still some based users that put "no trans", but who knows how long they get away with it before being reported for their honesty.



Can't believe they're blocking these stunners.
who told this doughy boy he looked femme wtf

Spoiler: Skye

Spoiler: Jen

 

[Neko GF]

On JKR's latest book. It's funny how they hear "a man who dresses as a woman" and get offended and assume it's talking about them. Aren't they meant to be true and honest women? If so, "a man who dresses as a woman" should be meaningless to them.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

Spoiler: Relevant quotes

When I went to have sex with her, she only wanted anal, never vaginal, never. She kept saying me that I was hurting her, and she wanted to feel more and more pain. However I felt like, uncomfortable and horny comfortable at the same time? I don't know, but I felt like a rapist. She was literally saying "no, no, stop, it hurts, please stop it hurts", but in less than a minute or so she takes it back and wants me to literally open her wide. I guess she has a fetish for pain or some shit. Still, I felt bad because I knew she was feeling pain.

On foreplay she was roleplaying like it was a yaoi, it was cringy. as. fuck.
"Stroke that dick boy, open your mouth wide"
...Said the fujoshi girl that pretended that her clitoris was a dick.
Like, girl, how fucking deluded are you?
I'm literally seeing a vagina and a clit here, you always have let me play with that when you "were a girl", you fucking liked it and I know it. And now out of nowhere, you're only letting me to flick your bean while pretending that it's a dick?
You're just as fucking cringy as these trannies who think that their asshole is a pussy.

Now, the last fucking straw was when I went to fuck her one day and, she asked me if I wanted to be "the bottom boy" (pegging). I just said, no, you're a girl, you have tits, and I refuse to engage in your retarded yaoi fanfic LARP. You're a tranny and you should get help ASAP. Also I'm not gay at all, you're a girl. Fuck off.
I left, ignored her calls, ignored her messages, and then she started to cry and baw and scream how much of a transphobic asshole I am, how much of a asshole I was because "I only used ""him"" for sex" for days until she disappeared and I never heard of her again.

Incels are fucking lucky, they don't have to deal with any of that shit.

This is what Blanchard has started calling ‘autohomoeroticism’ - a woman with a specific obsession re: participating in ‘gay‘ sex

What Is Autogynephilia? An Interview with Dr Ray Blanchard

Ray Blanchard is an adjunct Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto who specialises in the study of human sexuality, with a particular focus on sexual orientation, paraphilias, and gender identity disorders. In the 1980s and 1990s he developed a theory around the causes of gender...

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Lucky escape mate! Imagine how fucked up it would be if you’d already been married with kids when she started up with her gay sex fetish?

 

[Jolyne]

I can't believe fujos are still into this kind of tripe. Even in the mid-late aughts the stereotypical rapey seme/crying girly uke stuff was already passé and widely mocked, even by girls who liked yaoi.

I know, right? Although now I'm wondering.. I know a lot of fujos trooned out when it became unacceptable to be a straight woman who's into yaoi (but it's totally fine for trans gay men!! It's perfectly valid if they identify with yaoi uwu) could it also be because the rapey shit gets called out and mocked nowadays, and this is the only way they can enjoy it? I feel like a lot of these fujo trannies are into dumb seme/uke stereotypes but phrase it as top/bottom to show how they're True and Honest Gay Men. Like the "bottoms are shy and helpless, they don't know how to drive and they use lots of emojis!" that you see on tumblr. Is this just a way for them to live out the most controversial aspects of their yaoi/gay men obsession, with the least amount of resistance from sjws? Compared to just a regular fujo who troons out because she likes gay content.. these ones are doing it because of the rapey yaoi and seme/uke stereotypes that people rightfully mock nowadays (If that makes sense?) Both are horrible but one is an even more extreme version of the other. I used to just group all fujo trannies together but now it's making me think

Editing to add:
It seems like the contrast in mindset among yaoi fangirls who troon out is
"Gay men are sweet, innocent, and wholesome. I want in on that."
Versus
"Gay men are horny sex crazed freaks. I want in on that."

Can’t you be into yaoi and keep it to yourself without trooning out? Seriously, why do none of these freaks understand the concept of private behavior?

It's not enough for them to just like it in private, they've gotten so obsessed to the point where they want to live out their fantasies in real life. Even though they of all people should understand that gay men are not into women.

 

[Xenu Warrior Princess]

When calling a bloke "sir" is triggering. Not only hideous looking but seriously unstable mentally, this freak had tweeted about planning a mass murder after being called “sir”.
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https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-identifying-activist-makes-homemade-bomb-after-being-called-sir-hints-at-mass-murder/

kudos @Short Stack

Here's an earlier post as well

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/page-1468#post-7207015

Archives I could find

Phoebe Jasmine Ellison (@phoebe_ellison) / Twitter

archived 1 Feb 2020 15:05:39 UTC

archive.is

http://web.archive.org/web/20170626155357/https://mobile.twitter.com/phoebe_ellison

Not much, really. Too minor and seemed to mainly reply to themselves. But a reminder...if you a see a fascinating unique individual, archive it, even if not worth posting at the time.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I know, right? Although now I'm wondering.. I know a lot of fujos trooned out when it became unacceptable to be a straight woman who's into yaoi (but it's totally fine for trans gay men!! It's perfectly valid if they identify with yaoi uwu) could it also be because the rapey shit gets called out and mocked nowadays, and this is the only way they can enjoy it? I feel like a lot of these fujo trannies are into dumb seme/uke stereotypes but phrase it as top/bottom to show how they're True and Honest Gay Men. Like the "bottoms are shy and helpless, they don't know how to drive and they use lots of emojis!" that you see on tumblr. Is this just a way for them to live out the most controversial aspects of their yaoi/gay men obsession, with the least amount of resistance from sjws? Compared to just a regular fujo who troons out because she likes gay content.. these ones are doing it because of the rapey yaoi and seme/uke stereotypes that people rightfully mock nowadays (If that makes sense?) Both are horrible but one is an even more extreme version of the other. I used to just group all fujo trannies together but now it's making me think

Can’t you be into yaoi and keep it to yourself without trooning out? Seriously, why do none of these freaks understand the concept of private behavior?

 

[Troon Golf Clubber]

Personally, I am transphobic in a very literal sense. The sight of them unnerves me. If you've ever read Junji Ito's horror mangas, there's this very frightening character named Miss Fuchi. That's what MtF's remind me of. These scary things that attempt very badly to come off as women but are clearly predatory.

The only reason I don't identify as a proud transphobe is that -phobe implies an irrational or excessive fear and loathing. It is entirely rational to shun and despise narcissistic trainwrecks like these.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I know, right? Although now I'm wondering.. I know a lot of fujos trooned out when it became unacceptable to be a straight woman who's into yaoi (but it's totally fine for trans gay men!! It's perfectly valid if they identify with yaoi uwu) could it also be because the rapey shit gets called out and mocked nowadays, and this is the only way they can enjoy it? I feel like a lot of these fujo trannies are into dumb seme/uke stereotypes but phrase it as top/bottom to show how they're True and Honest Gay Men. Like the "bottoms are shy and helpless, they don't know how to drive and they use lots of emojis!" that you see on tumblr. Is this just a way for them to live out the most controversial aspects of their yaoi/gay men obsession, with the least amount of resistance from sjws? Compared to just a regular fujo who troons out because she likes gay content.. these ones are doing it because of the rapey yaoi and seme/uke stereotypes that people rightfully mock nowadays (If that makes sense?) Both are horrible but one is an even more extreme version of the other. I used to just group all fujo trannies together but now it's making me think

I think it's alot about just not getting the message that yaoi isn't real. I wrote a long post about this last year here and still hold those thoughts so I'm just gonna repost that comment.

When I was in my teens I was fairly big yaoi fangirl. Not obsessed or anything like that but pretty much all ships I liked were gay and most romance stories I read whatever they were manga, fanfics or webcomics were about pretty gay dudes. At time I actually found most heterosexual and lesbian romances really boring. I consummated lot of yaoi media and was semi actively involved with various fandoms, usually mostly at the boy love side so talked about shipping, who would be on top and so on.

During that period of my life I did kinda want to be a gay guy. It just seemed so nice, romantic and quite importantly sexy. Fortunately I wasn’t an idiot and even back then it was pretty oblivious to me what I really wanted. I had desire to be involved in steamy situations but I was way too immature and socially awkward to accomplish that. Yaoi was for me a safe and fun outlet for certain urges that are normal part of growing up. Being a cute yaoi gay guy was just a fun idea that I sometimes considered a bit but I knew that real gays were just normal guys into other guys so nothing special. As I matured that wish seemed everymore silly and found plenty of options get my needs met.

I think it’s pretty much same for these FtMs. They found yaoi as a fun outlet for sexual urges when they were not ready for actual sex and relationships, but they didn’t get the memo that yaoi isn’t real. It’s just women creating some sexy fun for other women. Real life isn’t like that and dating in general can be quite complicated and uncomfortable. There are bad men out there, rejection sucks, people can be sexually imcompatible and even really good real relationships are a lot less romantic than fictional ones. Instead of facing that, they decided to follow a sexy fantasy. Stupid idea and immature as all hell, but some people are like that. They are so motivated by high or possibility of high, that they do even highly idiotic and harmful things and are hard to convince not to. Especially if there are also mental health issues or history of criminal behavior present.

 

[Ceci]

I know, right? Although now I'm wondering.. I know a lot of fujos trooned out when it became unacceptable to be a straight woman who's into yaoi (but it's totally fine for trans gay men!! It's perfectly valid if they identify with yaoi uwu) could it also be because the rapey shit gets called out and mocked nowadays, and this is the only way they can enjoy it? I feel like a lot of these fujo trannies are into dumb seme/uke stereotypes but phrase it as top/bottom to show how they're True and Honest Gay Men. Like the "bottoms are shy and helpless, they don't know how to drive and they use lots of emojis!" that you see on tumblr. Is this just a way for them to live out the most controversial aspects of their yaoi/gay men obsession, with the least amount of resistance from sjws? Compared to just a regular fujo who troons out because she likes gay content.. these ones are doing it because of the rapey yaoi and seme/uke stereotypes that people rightfully mock nowadays (If that makes sense?) Both are horrible but one is an even more extreme version of the other. I used to just group all fujo trannies together but now it's making me think

Editing to add:
It seems like the contrast in mindset among yaoi fangirls who troon out is
"Gay men are sweet, innocent, and wholesome. I want in on that."
Versus
"Gay men are horny sex crazed freaks. I want in on that."


It's not enough for them to just like it in private, they've gotten so obsessed to the point where they want to live out their fantasies in real life. Even though they of all people should understand that gay men are not into women.

I have my own personal theories on what draws straight women into becoming troons. I think it has to do with an overexposure of yaoi to the point where they can no longer relate to their own lives and sexual experiences as women.
I think rather than wanting to participate in gay sex because gay men are more x or y, they want it because they are not aroused by the thought of straight sex anymore. They're porn addled coomers who have spent so much time flicking the bean to seeing men get buttfucked, they have difficulty being aroused by the thought of being a female participant in heterosexual sex. This also applies to consumtion of non-sexual media, after reading so much BL manga and the spicy forbidden romances of gay men, it's hard for them to enjoy the comparatively "boring" and traditional thought of being a woman in a relationship of a man.
They're basically degenerates who read so much fetish content, it's hard for them to return to vanilla. Rather than trying to wean themselves off porn to normalize their sexual desires, they try to bring their fetish into reality by becoming gay men themselves.

 

[Jolyne]

I have my own personal theories on what draws straight women into becoming troons. I think it has to do with an overexposure of yaoi to the point where they can no longer relate to their own lives and sexual experiences as women.
I think rather than wanting to participate in gay sex because gay men are more x or y, they want it because they are not aroused by the thought of straight sex anymore. They're porn addled coomers who have spent so much time flicking the bean to seeing men get buttfucked, they have difficulty being aroused by the thought of being a female participant in heterosexual sex. This also applies to consumtion of non-sexual media, after reading so much BL manga and the spicy forbidden romances of gay men, it's hard for them to enjoy the comparatively "boring" and traditional thought of being a woman in a relationship of a man.
They're basically degenerates who read so much fetish content, it's hard for them to return to vanilla. Rather than trying to wean themselves off porn to normalize their sexual desires, they try to bring their fetish into reality by becoming gay men themselves.

What about the ones that write/draw porn of female trannies and gay men, or get off to it? Like this girl. They're becoming more common in fandom spaces and they aren't getting off to buttfucking (some even seem to think it's gross when gay men do it), but rather a weird version of hetero sex in which the woman doesn't have tits and is probably covered in body hair.

Are they trying to recontextualize heterosexuality to make it more "appealing" to them? Or is it just their degeneracy going out of control? It's bizarre how adamant they are about penis in vagina sex being gay. They don't seem to have a problem with it, in fact they want to have it with gay men. I know there are fujos who are the "ew, girls icky" type but these ones are insane.

 

[Ceci]

What about the ones that write/draw porn of female trannies and gay men, or get off to it? Like this girl. They're becoming more common in fandom spaces and they aren't getting off to buttfucking (some even seem to think it's gross when gay men do it), but rather a weird version of hetero sex in which the woman doesn't have tits and is probably covered in body hair.

Are they trying to recontextualize heterosexuality to make it more "appealing" to them? Or is it just their degeneracy going out of control? It's bizarre how adamant they are about penis in vagina sex being gay. They don't seem to have a problem with it, in fact they want to have it with gay men. I know there are fujos who are the "ew, girls icky" type but these ones are insane.

I think for them, it's a way to assure themselves they really are gay by placing TiF's into their yaoi/BL. It's a cope when they realize they'll never be the same as the boys in their yaoi fantasies, they react by putting themselves in their yaoi fantasies. It's analogous to TiM's who are really into "trans yuri," they desperately want to see themselves in the fetish that they are living out, even if it goes against the basal logic/desire of their fetish. They convinced themselves that men can have vaginas and women can have penises, so they managed to convince themselves that PiV fits in with their fetish for gay sex.